The ME said no sign of being asphyxiated. My question is if someone has their knee and on

[still_one]

someone’s neck, wouldn’t that cut off blood flow through the caratoid, and thus deprive oxygen to the brain?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. It would depend on how much force was on the neck,

and where on the neck it was being exerted. They will call expert witnesses to answer questions about exactly what physical processes caused Floyd's heart attack.

[Sienna86]

2. Yes.

Exactly.

[The Magistrate]

3. The Prelimonary Statement Said No Sign Of 'Traumatic Asphyxia'

This is a specific condition in which there is such extreme compression of the chest blood flows backwards, so the brain is flooded with de-oxygenated blood.

[RandySF]

4. Heart failure?

[leftieNanner]

5. The second cop was kneeling on his chest

Wouldn't the combination of compression on both chest and neck make it difficult to breathe?

[abqtommy]

6. Maybe this ME needs a new seeing-eye dog...

[unblock]

7. Pressure on the neck can kill in a number of different ways

Preventing air from getting into the lungs
Preventing blood from getting to the head
Stimulating the vagus nerve causing blood pressure or other cardiac problems

I'm sure there are others as well.

Sounds like the vagus nerve might be the culprit in this case, though I hope there's a more complete examination.

[2naSalit]

12. Also compression to the spinal cord

and possibly severing it or damaging. C2 is the vertebrae associated with respiratory function so any and all nerve systems are rooted in the cervical spine so any serious pressure is bound to do some kind of serious damage.

[mn9driver]

8. This why due process is important. These cops have really good lawyers.

Chauvin is being represented by the same guy that got Philando Castile’s killer cop acquitted.

[bobbieinok]

13. Who pays? Cop union? Gofundme?

[11 Bravo]

9. Yeah, because when you're kneeling on someone's neck and they continually ...

complain that they can't breathe, the cause of death couldn't possibly be asphyxiation, could it?

Fuck that noise.

[kozar]

10. much less,

when that person becomes unresponsive, and you, as a First Responder, do NOTHING?


Koz

[spinbaby]

11. Earlier on the news

They seemed to be saying he wasn’t healthy enough to survive being strangled like it was his fault.

[bobbieinok]

16. If RW can't make him out a crook, then blame him for his health

But in the end 'it's just clearly the black guy's fault'

[2naSalit]

14. Second opinion is needed here.

[marlakay]

18. Maybe a second medical examiner

Sounds like he works for the police.

[2naSalit]

20. That's what I meant. ...nt

[Mike 03]

15. I just think he was looking for the sorts of textbook signs/injuries associated with manual

strangulation and asphyxiation, and didn't find a broken hyoid bone or other telltales signs. But it doesn't rule out that he died due to the actions of the officer. The force was on the back of his neck, not the front, which I believe explains the lack of those findings.

The complaint doesn't say he didn't die of suffocation.

[mainer]

17. "asphyxiation" would be difficult to diagnose. You can't rule it out.

Yes, maybe he had preexisting medical issues, and yes, you can determine if there was a heart attack (examination of cardiac muscle for infarction) but to rule out asphyxiation seems a bridge too far.

[roamer65]

19. He died at their hands.

Those 4 ex-cops are murderers.

[Mariana]

21. No, the ME did not say there was no sign of being asphyxiated.

"Traumatic asphyxia" does not mean the same thing as "asphyxia".

[still_one]

22. Thanks

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Yup. Intentional brain damage. Lethal brain damage. . . nt

[gibraltar72]

24. Private autopsy may say differently. The whole thing is suspect.

[donkeypoofed]

25. That poor man had 3 on him&couldn't expand his lungs!

That preliminary report changes nothing.