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Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 01:54 PM Sep 2012

"Moral Clarity and firmness of purpose." I know this is code, but for what?

This sounds an awful lot like the horsecrap we heard in the buildup to war in Iraq.
Does anyone have insight into what it might mean?

My personal theory is it is a meme from the extreme right that wants death to all moslem peoples.

Or, alternatively, it's a line from one of the leaders of the crusades in the 12th century.

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"Moral Clarity and firmness of purpose." I know this is code, but for what? (Original Post) Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 OP
It usually means something bad is coming up... WCGreen Sep 2012 #1
Shoot first to show firmness of purpose and aim later to show moral clarity lunatica Sep 2012 #2
Moral = Christian Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #3
so it's kind of crusadey then? Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #4
no. i'm christian and they don't mean me. nt xchrom Sep 2012 #14
It means "See enemies everywhere. Kill them if you can, whine if you can't". Viva_Daddy Sep 2012 #5
It means idiots say things because they love the sound of their voices Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #6
Ignoring reality and facts Viva_La_Revolution Sep 2012 #7
That's one approach Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #8
It's a poor substitute for MineralMan Sep 2012 #9
... Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #10
Self-righteous bloodthirstiness hvn_nbr_2 Sep 2012 #11
Lack of critical thinking. undeterred Sep 2012 #12
All statements outside science and mathematics border on unsupported assertions aka BS! nt jody Sep 2012 #13
Christian theocracy... hunter Sep 2012 #15
They are opposed to diplomacy gollygee Sep 2012 #16
Purity of Essence. nolabear Sep 2012 #17
Conservative ethics(sic) and "never ever admit you could be wrong about anything," respectively. nt Posteritatis Sep 2012 #18
Appeal to Reaganism, as done before the invasion of Iraq muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #19
It's Catholic talk, predating Bennett. hunter Sep 2012 #20
Ding Ding Ding Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #23
We Know We're Right And We'll Beat The Shit Out Of Anyone Who Disagrees eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #21
It's code for american exceptionalism choie Sep 2012 #22

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
7. Ignoring reality and facts
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 02:22 PM
Sep 2012

stick to your beliefs and never, ever, ever let facts or reality or concern for others change your mind

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
10. ...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 02:40 PM
Sep 2012

Moral Clarity....."I am right because the Bible says......"

Firmness of purpose....."I support the military (other peoples children) in killing people who disagree with me."

hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
11. Self-righteous bloodthirstiness
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 02:59 PM
Sep 2012

"moral clarity" = self-righteousness
"firmness of purpose" = bloodthirsty war fever

hunter

(38,321 posts)
15. Christian theocracy...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:44 PM
Sep 2012

...a wretched thing, and the founders of the USA knew it.

It sounds like Ryan has been reading Tim Staples, mores the pity...

http://www.catholic.com/profiles/tim-staples

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
16. They are opposed to diplomacy
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:48 PM
Sep 2012

They see any attempt to be diplomatic as weakness, "sympathy" for the other side, "an apology", whatever.

They are proud of their lack of diplomatic skills. They find Obama's great diplomatic skills to be a weakness.

We're back to Opposite World, like when W was prez.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,335 posts)
19. Appeal to Reaganism, as done before the invasion of Iraq
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:52 PM
Sep 2012
Moral clarity is a catchphrase associated with American political conservatives. Popularized by William J. Bennett's Why We Fight: Moral Clarity and the War on Terrorism, the phrase was first used in its current context during the 1980s, in reference to the politics of Ronald Reagan.[1]

The phrase moral clarity encodes a complex political argument that includes all of the following claims:

The War on Terrorism, like some previous wars involving the United States (particularly World War II and the Cold War), is a conflict between good and evil.

Traditional American values like democracy and freedom are universal human rights, worth promoting and defending through military intervention.

Attempts to understand or explain the actions of anti-Western terrorists as justifiable responses to actions of the United States or Israel are a sign of moral weakness at best, and sympathy for the terrorists at worst, and will hamper efforts to defeat them.

Though the actions of the United States and its allies may lead to civilian deaths or other forms of collateral damage, may require the use of means such as torture that would be condemned in other contexts, and may involve temporary alliances with undemocratic regimes, these actions are justified by the greater moral necessity of defeating terrorism and thus promoting American values and ensuring long-term U.S. security.

Opponents of action against terrorists are guilty of promoting moral relativism or moral equivalence, in which the allegedly similar means of both anti-terrorists and terrorists are used to blur the moral differences between good and evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_clarity


Or:

A (Partial) Neoconservative Lexicon
...
Moral Relativism. Aka historicism. The denial of any unified, objective standard of value. The diametric opposite of Moral Equivalence (q.v.).

Moral Equivalence. Judgment of the United States government by the same unified, objective standard of value as the governments of other countries. The diametric opposite of Moral Relativism (q.v.).

Moral Clarity. The Zen-like state of mind from which it is possible accuse the same political enemy, simultaneously, of both Moral Relativism and Moral Equivalence.

http://mutualist.blogspot.co.uk/2005/06/partial-neoconservative-lexicon.html

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
23. Ding Ding Ding
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:43 PM
Sep 2012

THAT is what I was thinking of. REAGANISM! Stuff set place by Reagan's adventues lead in a straight line to the events of 9-11.

eppur_se_muova

(36,274 posts)
21. We Know We're Right And We'll Beat The Shit Out Of Anyone Who Disagrees
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:46 PM
Sep 2012

or WKWRAWBTSOOAWD.

Core Repug article of faith.

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