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question everything

(47,483 posts)
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:56 PM Jun 2020

There was a presidential candidate who talked about "law and order" and "a silent majority"

and he won. Nixon in 1968.

I am afraid that this will repeat.

With all the support that the protests are gaining - it is in the cities which are Democratic in nature.

There is still the electoral college in the vast "out states" and rural areas.

I am really worried that we will lose the White House.

But... it appears that we have a better chance in flipping the Senate and I think that this is more important. He will not be able to send right wing judges, he will not be able to veto laws that pass both houses. His powers will be restrained.

And no longer being beholden to his base, he may even revert to his previous opinions of pro-choice and a health care "like Canada."

One can always hope.


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There was a presidential candidate who talked about "law and order" and "a silent majority" (Original Post) question everything Jun 2020 OP
Nixon was the challenger EarlG Jun 2020 #1
There was no incumbent. Humphrey was the V.P. but not the President question everything Jun 2020 #3
He ran as an outsider against Johnson and Humphrey representing the status quo StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #18
We know that. But his base does not listen to such arguments question everything Jun 2020 #21
His base is already with him. They are irrelevant to this discussion StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #23
But remember that Nixon was a challenger leftieNanner Jun 2020 #2
It was an open election. Humphrey was the V.P. question everything Jun 2020 #5
In Addition To Points Others Have Raised, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #4
And they are in the big cities, and suburbs. Not "outstate." question everything Jun 2020 #6
Every State Has A City And Suburbs, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #8
Yes, we all will need to act Alacritous Crier Jun 2020 #7
nixon was running against the establishment. trump IS the establishment who is preceived as msongs Jun 2020 #9
Hope so. This is very rational for us. I am not sure abut his base question everything Jun 2020 #11
Not the same, Nixon was not the incumbent budkin Jun 2020 #10
About Tricky Dick Nixon.. Stuart G Jun 2020 #12
Why wouldn't he be able to veto laws passed by both houses? PTWB Jun 2020 #13
Nixon was running against the chaos created under Johnson. tinrobot Jun 2020 #14
Wait..Did Nixon hide in his bunker with his wife and child?..Am I mixed up??? Stuart G Jun 2020 #15
Which child? By which wife? tinrobot Jun 2020 #16
Do you think that Joe Biden will run an awful campaign like McGovern did?...OH NO!! Stuart G Jun 2020 #17
You mean, Humphrey. question everything Jun 2020 #22
Yes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #19
No. Americans remember trump as a taitor and coward. Just like when he ducked Vietnam rockfordfile Jun 2020 #20
Nixon Would Have Been Trounced Had He Run Against Bobby ChoppinBroccoli Jun 2020 #24

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
1. Nixon was the challenger
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jun 2020

Selling himself as the solution to the problems caused by the incumbent. He was the change candidate.

Is Trump going to be able to sell himself as the solutions to the problems that he himself caused? “What this country needs is change, so re-elect me.”

I suppose anything’s possible, but I’m skeptical.

question everything

(47,483 posts)
3. There was no incumbent. Humphrey was the V.P. but not the President
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jun 2020

And, with the many killing of blacks in the past years, he can claim that he did not create them.

Trayvon Martin was murdered in 2012, Philando Castile - July 2016.



 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. He ran as an outsider against Johnson and Humphrey representing the status quo
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jun 2020

Johnson was the incumbent in charge of the government and Nixon painted him and Humphrey as ineffective, feckless leaders who both caused and couldn't manage the situation he was running against.

Trump is in the shoes of Johnson and Humphrey. He is the leader who caused and is failing to manage the situation that people are freaked out about. It will be difficult for him to convince people to reelect him to fix a situation he hasn't managed to fix already. And claiming black men died before he came into office is a nonstarter. The people he needs to appeal to don't give a hoot about black men being killed - and the people who care about black men being killed aren't going to vote for Trump. The people he's appealing to are upset about the mess the country is in - pandemic, people dying by the thousands, protests and unrest, division, etc. And all of that has happened on his watch.

Totally different situation. This is NOT 1968 ...

I’ve heard and seen several people compare today to 1968 and to suggest that Trump, like Nixon, will benefit from the social unrest to win the election. But this is very different.

Among other things, Trump is not comparable to Nixon. 1968 Nixon was outside of government and capitalized on that, promising to step back in to restore the “law and order” he claimed the current government had failed to provide. He was running against the sitting vice president and, by proxy, the incumbent president, whom he painted as responsible for and unable to contain or correct the mess they created.

Conversely, 2020 Trump is the sitting president who is seen by pretty much everyone as deeply involved in and largely responsible for the chaos. Unlike Nixon, he’s not running against the current regime. He IS the current regime. He can’t promise to give us law and order or to step in and fix the mess because he’s already in position to solve the problem but has failed and refused to do so.

Not only that, but unlike in 1968, it is impossible for him to successfully employ Nixon’s tactic of painting this as anti-American hippies and violent blacks threatening a peaceful, patriotic “silent majority.” That won’t work because the right is widely and correctly seen as a hostile group, prone to violence and disruption just as much and, in fact more than, those on the left.

In 1968, Nixon was able to convince frightened white people that he could protect them. But any white person who believes Trump can protect them is already wearing a MAGA cap. But I am pretty sure that very few white people who feel frightened about what’s going on but haven’t decided to vote for Trump are likely to vote for the man who has proven himself incapable of protecting them from all of this because he himself has caused all of this.

On the other hand, Joe Biden is much more in the position Nixon held in 1968: a former vice president who has stepped back into the arena. He is offering an alternative to the madness we’re engulfed in.

But Biden’s no Nixon – he doesn’t have to fear monger or divide or demagogue about law and order because Trump has already done that and has led us to the brink of disaster. He needs only show us how he plans to return us to decency and competence and honesty and voters on the fence will flock to him.

This is not just like 1968.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=13512044

question everything

(47,483 posts)
21. We know that. But his base does not listen to such arguments
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jun 2020

For them the shelter in place, the need for masks, the loss of jobs is the result of “the elites.” This is why he does not wear a mask, this is why he “ordered” states to open.

He can and will turn everything around and his base will swallow it. After all it is not as if his base has bee dismayed by all his lies and bullying. And as it was in 2016, the Evangelicals, at least, will hold their noses and dream on overturning “Roe.”

I am glad that Biden is concentrating on Florida. I think that it will be Florida, not Wisconsin that will determine the outcome.

leftieNanner

(15,112 posts)
2. But remember that Nixon was a challenger
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jun 2020

Not an incumbent. And that makes a big difference.
We need to work our asses off to win this election (White House AND Senate) and not take anything for granted.

But I think the Idiot-in-Chief will overplay his hand and go down in flames. Especially the way Joe Biden is handling all of this. Law and Order coming from Ass Face doesn't make any sense when he is the one causing a lot of the problems.

question everything

(47,483 posts)
5. It was an open election. Humphrey was the V.P.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jun 2020
We can see how he is over playing his hand. His supporters are cheering him.

They cheer him when he robs the treasury for his properties, when his children benefit for tax payers money.

When he promotes disinfectants..


The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
4. In Addition To Points Others Have Raised, Sir
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jun 2020

The electorate is a very different beast than it was in 1968. Considerably less white, much better educated, and containing a good many more women uninfluenced by husbands.

question everything

(47,483 posts)
6. And they are in the big cities, and suburbs. Not "outstate."
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jun 2020

We have to be careful in our campaign. Again, emphasize healthcare and job losses and tie them to this administration.

For example, who has been paying for the Covid-19 hospitalizations? Especially for seniors? Medicare? How much a whole is there now in Medicare?

I think that seniors are the best chance. I think that many of them did not trust a woman to be president in 2016.



The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
8. Every State Has A City And Suburbs, Sir
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jun 2020

You are correct that older people are turning far less solid for Republicans. In 1968, older people tended more to be Democrats, having personal recollection still Mr. Roosevelt and the New Deal, as well as his wartime leadership.

Alacritous Crier

(3,816 posts)
7. Yes, we all will need to act
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jun 2020

like we're going to lose and GOTV.

HOWEVER, at this point...

TRUMP IS TOAST! Count on it.

msongs

(67,409 posts)
9. nixon was running against the establishment. trump IS the establishment who is preceived as
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jun 2020

allowing disorder. they are in opposite roles.

question everything

(47,483 posts)
11. Hope so. This is very rational for us. I am not sure abut his base
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jun 2020

They consider the request to wear masks as coming form the "elite." They consider the "stay at home" directives as being "elitist." They see Pelosi as still the "swamp" that needs to be drained.


Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
12. About Tricky Dick Nixon..
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jun 2020

He had a lot of experience in government, and he looked like he might know what he was going to do. (anyway, he looked that way)..He was a VP, senator, well known politician..He hadn't proved yet what Trump has proved lately..

...Trump has proved he is a liar and con artist. (Nixon proved that in 72 -74)..And Trump has proved in the last few months or so his total incompetence at dealing with major issues. .... It is out there for everyone to see and hear...... Wait did he hide in his bunker?

..A major crises has happened, and Trump has done?...(Hide in his bunker?)..Over 100,000 killed in the crises?
We will not lose the White House...... Wait, did Trump, wife and child hide in his bunker?..

..So you think Trump can get away with total incompetence in dealing with a crises that killed over 100,000?.Do you think we have forgotten these famous words, "Five or Six will get the virus and then it will be gone."
..Trump has less of a chance than a snowball in hell.. Less of a chance than the Titanic had after the iceberg, and less of a chance than Nixon had to escape Watergate..
...That is, Trump has no chance.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
13. Why wouldn't he be able to veto laws passed by both houses?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jun 2020

Do you anticipate us obtaining a veto-proof majority? I think obtaining any majority at all is going to be difficult (but possible!). Obtaining a veto proof majority, from where I’m sitting, seems like an impossibility unfortunately.

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
14. Nixon was running against the chaos created under Johnson.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jun 2020

Trump can't run against the chaos created under Trump.

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
15. Wait..Did Nixon hide in his bunker with his wife and child?..Am I mixed up???
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jun 2020
... ... ... ... .... ... ... .... .....

Stuart G

(38,428 posts)
17. Do you think that Joe Biden will run an awful campaign like McGovern did?...OH NO!!
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:47 PM
Jun 2020

Maybe Joe will ride around in a tank like Mc Govern was pictured.. Maybe Joe will have no help from anyone?...
Wait a minute... ..
...Joe might have some help from the last President, (before Trump) who is still highly respected..Another one, Jimmy Carter could help..Maybe that other one, Hillary's husband could help...Maybe Hillary could help?..
This respected New Yorker..Chris Cuomo , could help....Who else could help Biden..???Lots and lots will help..

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
24. Nixon Would Have Been Trounced Had He Run Against Bobby
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:54 PM
Jun 2020

The fact that the Democrats had to scramble to find a last-minute replacement after Bobby was killed (and probably chose the wrong person) didn't help either.

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