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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is your opinion on defunding the police? POLL.
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Yes. I support defunding the police. | |
8 (24%) |
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No. I support reforming the local police departments. | |
26 (76%) |
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Fla Dem
(23,785 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,230 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The defund expression is about reforming the departments. It's the Camden approach.
TheBlackAdder
(28,230 posts).
That Bloomberg article is bullshit and only covers pro-Christie points.
The increases in security are in part due to the surveillance system, which tracks everyone leaving their home or in their backyards, their car movement, etc. It has nothing to do with the change of the police department. Unfortunately, most of the crime was petty drug transactions which adversely affected the AA community and incarcerated many young males.
Christie's goal was to cut police spending, by replacing the police department, made up mostly by Camden residents with a county police department that brought in mostly White suburban officers. The Camden PD officers were given an ultimatum, either accept a 30-50% cut in wages and benefits or look for another job. Entry level officers were paid what was NJ's adjusted poverty wages in the upper $20K range, and most of the junior officers were struggling to feed themselves and pay rent.
The White suburban officers just used Camden County PD as a stepping stone to get experience before jumping ship to a rural police department. Most NJ police departments don't like to hire rookies because they have to pay for their training at Sea Girt so they look for officers who already went through the that State Police Training Academy facility. CCOD would pay for that training and give the officers experience, so they were willing to accept the poverty wages offered.
Christie's other goal was to smash the NJEA (teacher's union) as his prior job was a lobbyist, and part owner of school outsourcer before becoming governor. His aimed to weaken the Camden School system even more by vouchering a lot of students and causing the layoffs of unionized teachers.
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So, while the Bloomberg article pains a Pollyanna view of the Camden County PD, there's a lot more to it that was unreported. Also, the Rutgers, CCCC and Rowan campuses added scores of unarmed security officers to provide campus security and security to the PATCO rail system. This cut a lot of crime down.
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Beakybird
(3,333 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,467 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Yeah. Thats very progressive
brush
(53,924 posts)the dumbest possibly wording ever. Why don't you get "defund the police" means to most peopleget rid of the police, which scares the shit out of anyone who just might be on the fence about trump. The last thing we need to have them thinking Dems want to have a wild, wild west society where anything goes.
Of course they're going to retreat back to voting for the orange asshole who's now shouting "law and order."
We can't be that dumb is we want to win in Nov.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Very dumb word to use.
Frasier Balzov
(2,671 posts)Initech
(100,108 posts)They should not have weapons of war to use against citizens.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)n/t
Goodheart
(5,346 posts)Sorry, but I can't respect that opinion.
RainCaster
(10,929 posts)Police unions have too much power in restoring abusive cops to their old jobs. They need to be held legally responsible for any future actions of that officer, and not the city.
That's only one problem.
There are many issues of training, leadership and city mismanagement that have to be looked at as a whole.
mvd
(65,180 posts)Perhaps we could use a better word, but I do support defunding as in redistribution in some cities and more reform.
brush
(53,924 posts)Why give repugs that ammo for their ads? Why fire up their voters to turn out?
Call it re-imagine policing, or police the police, anything but defund the police which makes one think "get rid of police".
hadEnuf
(2,218 posts)I believe that was the term used in the 1960's and 70's and it resonated.