Why I support defunding the police.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2020, 07:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Domestic abuse is a problem with police. They feel entitled to abuse others. That is part of why police departments need to be defunded. Police have entitlement issues that interfere with thier sense of what is right and what is wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/20/domestic-abuse-within-police-force-to-be-investigated

"And the truth is, you cannot talk abusers out of their behavior. Perpetrators of domestic violence are among the most intractable of all who commit violence, so intractable, in fact, that in 2000 the United Kingdom removed funding for therapy sessions designed to treat men guilty of domestic violence (putting the money instead into shelters and other means of keeping women safe from their attackers). Lundy Bancroft also says this: “An abuser doesn’t change because he feels guilty or gets sober or finds God. He doesn’t change after seeing the fear in his children’s eyes or feeling them drift away from him. It doesn’t suddenly dawn on him that his partner deserves better treatment. Because of his self-focus, combined with the many rewards he gets from controlling you, an abuser changes only when he feels he has to, so the most important element in creating a context for change in an abuser is placing him in a situation where he has no other choice.”

https://orionmagazine.org/article/the-tyranny-of-entitlement/


No choice means take away the power over others that gets exploited by the entitled cops.

Defund them.

There are better ways to heal a community than giving some the entitlement to use power over others as they want.

An excellent article.
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

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1. Defunding the police is the dumbest marketing slogan ever.

Reform the police, re-impagine policing, police the police—anything but defund the police which implies, get rid of the police.

We have to be smarter than to give trump and the repugs that kind of ammo for their ads and tweets. That's a loser slogan. Anytime you have to explain what your slogan means, you're losing.

[PTWB]

2. Let's focus more on substance than slogans.

Marketing and fence-sitting may win elections (or nay not given recent history) but I believe doing the right thing, in the end, will win them too.

[empedocles]

5. No excuse for trump's windfall, 'defund the police'

[Kahuna]

6. You don't get desired results without winning elections. You don't win elections

by messaging that is counterproductive to your cause. "Defund police," is counterproductive messaging.

[crickets]

12. +1

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8. Who doesn't want to change/get rid of police killing/brutality...

but why give them such red meat for their ads?

We're smarted than that. At least I think we are, sometimes I wonder though if people don't get that "defund the police" is a glaring stupid slogan which many interpret as "get rid of the police".

[PTWB]

9. But getting rid of the police is the right thing to do.

Defund them and disband them, and create something that fulfill the law enforcement roll in community oriented fashion.

The best solution is to completely eliminate local / county law enforcement.

Turn their investigative duties over to the local prosecutors office so all investigations are done in house.

Turn first responding police officers over to the state and rebuild them into a community oriented, community driven department with civilian oversight. Give them minimal arrest powers - only for violent crimes that occur contemporaneously with their calls to service. Their primary job is to respond to calls for service and engage in positive community interactions - no “proactive” enforcement.

Add another state level department for criminal apprehension and warrant service.

Completely remove all narcotics enforcement, traffic enforcement and other historically discriminatory law enforcement from first responders.

Cities should hire community patrol employees that are certified to monitor traffic and issue traffic citations but NOT ARREST.

All narcotics investigations should go to the DEA. We don’t need local cops harassing black kids for selling a dime bag of weed.

Splitting up the law enforcement duties amongst several departments - at the state and federal level - and removing most negative encounters between first responders and the community - will go a long way in repairing the holes in the justice system.

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10. When you're explaining, you're losing. Marketing 101.

A better slogan is needed. It's not rocket science.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

3. They can't be reformed

They believe they are entitled to be violent.

Abusive people do not change,they do not think anything is wrong with themselves.

That's the problem

Cops are there to protect the rich even if it means killing us.

Trumps photo op at the church,it required police to abuse the protestors out of the area. That was no accident it's what police do. Maintain the diseased social status quo for those above them in the hierarchy..

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Brush is right

"Defunding" is a guaranteed loser.

[alwaysinasnit]

7. Perhaps it is more a question of eliminating or, at the very least, scaling back qualified immunity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/qualified-immunity-or-how-the-law-shields-police/2020/06/09/83cf1f3e-aa7c-11ea-a43b-be9f6494a87d_story.html

[FM123]

11. I am with you, I_UndergroundPanther.

Defunding the police does not mean stripping a department entirely of its budget, or abolishing it altogether. It’s just about scaling police budgets back and reallocating those resources to other agencies.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/defund-the-police-1007254/

[I_UndergroundPanther]

13. Exactly

But defund is what's needed along with what you suggested. Those millions police departments get by default could go a long way in making a better way to live together in a society.

A great link.
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

[fulllib]

14. Thank you

I support the defund movement. I reject the notion that it needs rebranding and re-marketing- it has grown out of community activists that have been working this issue for years.

It only has to be explained if you aren't listening. Reform is a slippery slope to doing nothing, even Scott Walker supports reform now.

You want black voters, then listen to what they are saying.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

15. I agree totally with you,listen to them.. BLM