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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm going to tell you something this Saturday night,
As many of you know, Im a dentist. And of all professions, we were at the beginning of this epidemic rated the most at risk of anyone in the United States of America who works for a living. Most of us followed the dicta of our state government and virtually all of us return to work as soon as we were permitted in whatever capacity we were allowed.
Im going to tell you quite frankly that we have our own closed group websites as you can well imagine, and there is no shortage of Trump followers there. There are many Dentists and staff who still believe that this is all a hoax, that we never shouldve been shut down, that people have overreacted grossly to the situation. And like many Trump followers, they absolutely will not listen to one shred of reason at all whatsoever. It is incredibly upsetting to read healthcare Professionals post posts which are antithetical to healthcare. These people are exactly like the people you read on the former Discussionist website or a Yahoo or The shithead site that shall not be named Here. They have that same sanctimonious, creepy, might is right, close minded stupidity the permeates the Trump body politic. They dont listen to reason, they dont care about anyones plight , they are narrow and nasty revolting individuals.
Repulsive.
Delphinus
(11,831 posts)that is really disappointing to hear. I would have expected better of educated folks.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)It is intellectual taxidermy
A load of books on the back of an ass.
malaise
(269,054 posts)So sad
Warpy
(111,276 posts)than their patients. One I remember with particular disgust was holding forth at the nurses' station about how in the new hospital that was being built for his specialty, nurses would be paid half as much as we were in the current hospital because we were all just a bunch of trained monkeys who couldn't do anything on our own.
Then they wondered why the only applicants they attracted were new grads, green as grass, but still not willing to accept what that blowhard said they were willing to pay.
I'm not surprised Chumps are well represented among dentists, they certainly are among doctors.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)I am thankful I KNOW my dentist is no Trump humper.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Because I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to a dentist who thought it was a hoax and didn't take any special precautions. If these dentists are poking around in the mouths of people who also thought the whole thing was a hoax it's on them if they get it, but it's on everybody else if they spread it around. That's scary.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)They would be crucified buy one agency or another if they did not. The occupational safety and health administration would nail their asses for the sake of the employees, the state health department would close them down for the sake of the patient, and they will do this. In addition, Dentists and physicians, In fact anyone whos licensed, can be reported to the licensing body of the state or Commonwealth in which they practice, and that opens a gigantic can of worms which cannot be closed.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)who I knew was a Trumper. Maybe he/she follows all the guidelines (though maybe not very carefully if he/she doesn't really believe in them - you never know what goes on behind the scenes), but I still wouldn't want that dentist to have my business, just like I wouldn't want to spend money on any other Trumper business.
KT2000
(20,583 posts)in taking the extra precautions required after the HIV regs were put into place. I had to be tested for it - all OK, but believe me when I say your health department is of no help until there is a large outbreak. If they speak RW politics - leave and find another dentist.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)It only takes one phone call and all hell breaks loose. Ive told young Dentists over the years that you should never be afraid of malpractice suits because you hand the case off to your attorney or the insurance companys attorney and you live with the consequences. They pay money if that is the nature of the settlement and youre done. If someone calls the state board on you but you are in for 2 to 3 or four years of continuous correspondence, interviews, and possible censure Because you had a bad day or a bad moment. I have on numerous occasions in interviews for other dentists who were accused of a variety of things by their patients and the vast number were specious. That is not to say the Dentists cant make terrible mistakes or mistreat patients or do awful things, we are legitimately known for it to be quite frank, but let me tell you it just takes one lunatic make your life impossible As a practitioner.
KT2000
(20,583 posts)My friend (an employee) had already sent pictures of reused disposable needles, bloody glass ones in the drawer, a pile of wipes to be reused, urine samples stored with new appliances, and more. An inspector showed up a few months later (wearing slippers for god's sake) and about all she wanted to know was whether the dentist kept a gun in the office. She proceeded to ask the employees if there were irregularities and of course they said no, otherwise they would have been fired. And this dentist already had sanctions on him in the past! He was cited for diagnosing illnesses outside of his expertise and he is still working to this day.
He is an angry sovereign citizen.
Hed have been keelhauled
KT2000
(20,583 posts)by the focus of selfishness that is trump's main selling point. The sales price is evident in the fact they gave up reason, logic, and compassion to follow him blindly.
albacore
(2,399 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)They have the same snarling, sniveling attitude and generally rude behavior toward those who they disagree with. Thankfully Dear Leader has made them easy to identify.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)expected of people of their socioeconomic level, by them as well as others. Take a look at the trumpster officials you see on TV, usually pleasant and appropriately behaved, even charming and likable if you didn't know what you do about them.
A more reliable way for hopefully getting a peek behind the social mask, for any of us, is to get us among others who think as we do and observe our behavior.
Initech
(100,081 posts)They may seem like nice, courteous, professional people on the outside. But then on the inside they're the exact opposite of that. All it takes is some outside exposure to show who they really are.
Much like the Joker did to Harvey Dent in the Dark Knight. All you need to drive someone to the brink of madness is a little push.
summer_in_TX
(2,739 posts)Nice people, volunteer, helpful as a rule. There are of course, the ranters (former Tea party nuts) who are mean as snakes. But many more are affable and neighborly. I haven't encountered them in the context of race since I have unearned white privilege.
Some Rs aren't as tribal as others, but since Fox is their mainstay they don't know better I suppose. But even the nice ones are proudly deplorable. They embraced the identity because they have the pride and independence of a Westerner and Texan. There's a touch of ornery with a smile and neighborliness.
I love them, they love me. We agree to disagree.
ancianita
(36,092 posts)Early on, the last three years have taught me that Trumpers cut across professions. I've refused to socialize or do business with any of them.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)No matter where they're spreading that right-wing dogma, there's the potential to do harm in an indirect way.
It encourages carelessness and complacency.
KY.........
Hekate
(90,714 posts)erronis
(15,303 posts)I won't use a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant that thinks what trump and the repuglicons are doing is OK.
I guess if I go to a hardware store or gas station it might be OK for the people there to have lower levels of intelligence. But I usually won't engage them in a lot of logical discussions.
Sorry to make this a class-type of argument, but people that don't understand or don't want to understand are lower class. They may have much more money than me - that doesn't count.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)Much appreciated.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)(sorry - just popped into my head )
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)can figure is its just about the money with her.
Jersey Devlin
(85 posts)Sort of like...Luddites for Mars Exploration.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Are they that brain-washed to ignore science and their disease transmission training?? Wow. This does not bode well.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)by otherwise well educated people supporting Trump and the hoax talk. My neighbor is a neurosurgeon and is just so worried about all the libs getting free stuff.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)and everyone in the place wasn't fully suited up, I do a snappy about face and leave.
They want to die? Fine, I don't.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)Its that they think that all the press and the shutdown is all liberal bullshit and an excuse to hate Trump even more. Quite frankly I dont need any more excuses to hate Trump more than I already do so I have to make this shit up there many more things that I can accuse him of, having nothing to do with the virus itself
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Holding two conflicting ideas at the same time. It's all a hoax, but it might kill us.
I know it's also the definition of genius, but I don't think I can credit them with genius.
OMGWTF
(3,959 posts)The above quote is often attributed to Einstein but it's unlikely he actually said that.
Holding two conflicting ideas in one's head at the same time is known as Cognitive Dissonance.
Kaiserguy
(740 posts)and tax cut they keep on claiming that tax cuts will work like magic and the deficit will go away and the job will be popping up all over. Every time the same thing happens the deficits go up and job stay about the same.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)It's a healthcare issue, but the evil people on the right have made it political.
And that's a shame that they did that.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)come in to see what's going on in the practice (e.g., scheduling too many patients, not providing PPE to staff and lax about everything). His only concern is that he has to make up for lost income.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)and normally get a prophy every 2 months because I'm trying to keep my teeth. So, my periodontist and my regular dentist are in the same building. During the stay at home days, my periodontist emailed his patients regularly with updates, closed his office before he had to by law, and has now opened with very strict guidelines and practices, which he shared via email.
I never heard from my other dentist's office until they called the other day to see if I wanted to come in for an available appointment. I didn't call back. For some reason I'm more afraid of getting coronavirus than of neglecting my teeth right now.
I like my regular dentist. I'm not trying to say they're not doing the right thing. But I'm just not ready to leave my house right now. I do appreciate the communications from my periodontist, which tells me they are taking this pandemic seriously. I don't know if the lack of communication is evidence of the opposite from my regular dentist.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)The Animator
(1,138 posts)I was curious as to whether or not it still existed...
Ill save yall the trouble, it unfortunately still does...
I did catch a thread that surprised me me though.
Someone posted a copypasted article about how they were glad that the Confederate flag wouldnt be flying over Nascar anymore. And there was a long, articulate and frankly empathetic defense of why it needed to go.
I was absolutely flabbergasted...
Then I read the comments... that was a mistake... I will now set my browser history on fire...
orleans
(34,060 posts)peeked my curiosity
i had forgotten all about that place
so i googled and clicked on their link--it redirects to black lives matter dot com
so that's good
The Animator
(1,138 posts)The title is closer to
Freedum Republicans dot com
They had been our arch nemesis during the * era.
orleans
(34,060 posts)and i do remember all the blabla with them back in the day
but i had totally forgotten about the one that branched off from du
The Animator
(1,138 posts)A subterranean space for cons?
Like a dark reflection of our site?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)People you think would know better, but refuse to do so.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Scientology has a consulting front group devoted to specifically targeting medical professionals who establish private practices
https://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-benefits-when-miami-dentist-runs-up-patient-bills/1135436/
They are focused of finding the type of people who support Trump, they are easy marks.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)Its much worse than you know.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)so many people pursuing the dollar.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)whatsoever to do with "helping people."
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)They got naked to protest.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)Believe me you dont want to see that here
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)There are a lot who look like Depardieu. And he drinks Champagne for breakfast.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)They'll get you into trouble.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)teeth cleaning appointment I made 6 months ago. Now seeing a dentist talk about this I feel better about calling and cancelling.
Trueblue Texan
(2,430 posts)...she knows for a fact that her daughter was exposed directly by a coach who had the virus while he was coaching the gymnastics team. Even knowing this for a fact, and even though she is a healthcare professional, she is so dense about the whole thing that she refuses to get her daughter tested for Covid-19 because then it would permanently be on her health record. I guess it's better to expose and risk killing others than have a virus on your health record. Of course, she is a right winger.