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Silent3

(15,213 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:53 PM Jun 2020

Is it maybe some sort of primitive (and really crude) male-dominance signalling thing?

Even though Trump is thankfully headed downward in recent polling, it still shocks and amazes me his numbers are now, or have ever been, higher than single digits.

As a white male I find it especially disgusting and shameful that a majority my fellow white males are still supporting the "fascist, loofah-faced, shit-gibbon" after all of the time they've now had to witness this on-going trainwreck of a human being.

The abject horror of Trump is and always has been so blindingly and stunningly obvious to me it's difficult to imagine any barely conscious human being perceiving Trump otherwise. It's far different from the "the dress is blue/the dress is white thing". It's like I'm looking at a steaming pile of elephant shit and someone else is telling me they see a bed of roses.

Even the Trump portrayed on Fox News, with all the care they take to put him in the best light possible, is an odious, blithering huckster, one whose talent as a huckster should only be effective on the very dimmest of marks.

It makes me think of the "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" scene in the Wizard of Oz, but a version where the instruction to pay no attention actually works, Dorothy and her friends blithely concur that the man behind the curtain is nothing worthy of notice, and the full illusion of The Great and Powerful Oz remains miraculously unbroken.

Trump of course receives enormous help from right wing media, but there's only so much a fully dedicated army of liars, con artists, and sycophants should reasonably be able to accomplish. No matter how united and resolutely devoted to their cause they were, a planet-wide conspiracy of weather reporters couldn't convince me that a raging blizzard was, in fact, a warm, pleasant, sunny day. The task of selling Trump as a "strong leader" and "great president" in any rational universe should be as insurmountable.

Yet somehow they fall for it. A huge number of people fall for it.

I can't help but wonder if maybe it's some sort of primal dominance signalling that I'm largely immune to, but to which a freakishly large portion of the human population, especially men, is susceptible. Something that works even when all of the higher-level signalling that developed in our species sometime after our ancestors climbed down out of trees (you know, the stuff about Trump that screams out "I'm an ignorant, incompetent, narcissistic, bullying asshole, totally lacking in empathy and human decency, just barely covering my Marianas Trench-deep insecurities" ) is an utter disaster.

Plenty of other dictators and dictator wannabees display Trumpian sorts of ugly, ridiculous, and buffoonish characteristics too. I can see how clever psychopaths with great acting ability and polished, surface-level charm can pull off a rise to power, but what is it that leaves us human beings so susceptible to blatantly craven clowns?

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Is it maybe some sort of primitive (and really crude) male-dominance signalling thing? (Original Post) Silent3 Jun 2020 OP
Suckers ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #1
Like this? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #2
That's an improvement over Trump n/t Silent3 Jun 2020 #3
Recommended reading: The Cult of Trump, by Steven Hassan Hekate Jun 2020 #4
I can only vouch for redneck republicans, because they're the only ones I know personally. BComplex Jun 2020 #5
Very thoughtful post. n/t delisen Jun 2020 #6

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
1. Suckers
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jun 2020

They believed he was a successful businessman & billionaire, when he was neither.
Now, they double down because it's hard to admit one got bamboozled.

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
5. I can only vouch for redneck republicans, because they're the only ones I know personally.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jun 2020

They would vote for anybody that was the republican candidate...I THINK they would even if he was black. Like, back when Michael Steele was still head of the republican party, if he was the top of the ticket, they would have voted for him. Many of them would have grumbled about it during primaries, but once he was their nominee, they would talk him up every chance they got. Granted, it would have been racist at hell, but they would have talked him up. During the bush years, I remember hearing all the time that Colin Powell was the only "good n****r" in the world.

They would vote republican because they have been taught by fox news and the right wing media to hate "liberals", and of course all democrats are "liberals" to them, even though most democrats are NOT liberals. They don't know that, and wouldn'tbelieve you if you told them that most democrats aren't liberals. (Most Democrats are decent, thoughtful people, which sets their philosophy apart from most republicans.)

fox has convinced them that anyone who is not a republican is the enemy.

fox news is destroying this country, plain and simple. But if they do one thing really really well, it's that they read the mentality of this type of person to a T, and they pump up that fear and hate until it is total.

It has absolutely nothing to do with reality, and everything to do with a fairy tale that fox news and right wing media has made popular.

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