Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:04 PM Jun 2020

John Roberts Is Done Trusting Donald Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-roberts-done-trusting-donald-183531912.html

(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Chief Justice John Roberts has come to liberals’ rescue again, this time providing the decisive fifth Supreme Court vote to strike down the Trump administration’s rescission of DACA, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

It’s morally uplifting that dreamers now won’t have to live under threat of deportation; and it’s unlikely that President Donald Trump will be able to rescind DACA, with new justifications, before he leaves office.

But don’t think that Roberts was motivated by any liberal sympathy for dreamers. The best explanation for his ruling is that Roberts is fed up with Donald Trump’s disrespect for the rule of law. Now he’s standing up for the role of the judicial branch of government in checking careless, lawless action by the executive.

—snip—

More at the link.

I guess we'll take what we can get. The conservatives we see turn against Trump the better it will be for the country.
27 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
John Roberts Is Done Trusting Donald Trump (Original Post) Binkie The Clown Jun 2020 OP
I'll take it wryter2000 Jun 2020 #1
Increase the size of the court or live in hell for years, and REMOVE every judge Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #4
The McConnell/Trump judges are not likely removable by the next Senate Kyblue1 Jun 2020 #22
Thomas won't retire when Joe is in the Oval Office leftieNanner Jun 2020 #5
I'm with you on Trump's taxes wryter2000 Jun 2020 #12
when will we know on the taxes? greenman3610 Jun 2020 #21
Hopefully soon leftieNanner Jun 2020 #26
We'll see ... StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #2
John Roberts isn't perfect. But at least, he's not a Federalist. no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #3
He has been. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #10
Two Years Max Says Something, Though ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #15
Ironically, at my law school they frequently pair with liberal organizations Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #24
Interesting ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #25
I checked - Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #27
republicans are republicans are republicans awesomerwb1 Jun 2020 #6
While it is good news, the ruling has not put DACA in the clear. genxlib Jun 2020 #7
We'll see how he rules on some upcoming issues ibegurpard Jun 2020 #8
Oh, I have no doubt he will back the conservatives in the long run, but... Binkie The Clown Jun 2020 #9
Pretty much what I tweeted back to the orange jerk. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #11
My ACLU friends reassured me about Roberts mainer Jun 2020 #13
based on what i read roberts said which is Fullduplexxx Jun 2020 #14
This decision buys a little time Buckeyeblue Jun 2020 #16
Yea it does vut everyone is claiming this as a big victory like no one read what roberts saidsaid Fullduplexxx Jun 2020 #19
Anyone who is just now figuring out Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #17
Congress needs to fix this. Lonestarblue Jun 2020 #18
Yes.. he is standing up for the rule of law.. in opposite of the lawless creep...good! Thekaspervote Jun 2020 #20
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2020 #23

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
1. I'll take it
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jun 2020

Elect Biden, win the Senate, let that old fart, Thomas, retire, and we'll have a functioning Supreme Court.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
4. Increase the size of the court or live in hell for years, and REMOVE every judge
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jun 2020

Moscow Mitch appointed, they are ALL unqualified.

Kyblue1

(216 posts)
22. The McConnell/Trump judges are not likely removable by the next Senate
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 06:28 PM
Jun 2020

But I agree that, at least Congress should increase the size of every federal court by the number appointed by Trump. Biden could then appoint qualified judges.

leftieNanner

(15,115 posts)
5. Thomas won't retire when Joe is in the Oval Office
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jun 2020

He doesn't want to be replaced by another RBG.

I am very interested in the ruling on Trump's taxes, if this is true. I can believe that Roberts thinks Trump's push that he is above the law won't sit well. Let's hope so.

ProfessorGAC

(65,060 posts)
15. Two Years Max Says Something, Though
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jun 2020

I certainly don't know, but maybe that crowd was too crazy for him.
There's got to be some reason he only kept membership for 2 years.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
24. Ironically, at my law school they frequently pair with liberal organizations
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jun 2020

to put on some really good multi-faceted discussions. We now have an ACS chapter (new, since Trump), so the Fed Soc role is diminished. I'm grateful for that, but before ACS came to campus a lot of decent law students were members of Fed Soc because they wanted some engagement with constitutional law and it was the only game in town.

ProfessorGAC

(65,060 posts)
25. Interesting
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jun 2020

But, 22 years ago, Roberts was not in college.
He graduated from law school in 1976.
I didn't look up his CV, so I don't know what he was doing in the late 90s.
But, to be in & out of an organization that quickly while already a lawyer/judge for 22 years seems odd.
Maybe I'm making too much of it.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
27. I checked -
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jun 2020

Since my first thought was that perhaps he was a student member.

Sometimes I forget I didn't attend law school at the normal time - so when I see someone about the same age as me I forget they likely graduated 20 years earlier than I did.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
7. While it is good news, the ruling has not put DACA in the clear.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jun 2020

I don't think the ruling fixed anything other than say the Trump administration needed to be less incompetent.

There are lots of articles like this one analyzing the ruling.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/18/21295518/supreme-court-daca-trump-roberts-regents-university-california-homeland-security

And yet, while Regents means that these immigrants are not immediately at risk of deportation, they still must live under a cloud of uncertainty for at least as long as Donald Trump is president. As Chief Justice John Roberts notes in his majority opinion, “the dispute before the Court is not whether DHS may rescind DACA.” Indeed, “all parties agree that it may.”

Rather the dispute in Regents is “primarily about the procedure” the Department of Homeland Security followed when it tried to end DACA. Though Regents concludes that DHS did not follow the proper procedures, nothing prevents the department from trying again.


The best news about this is it allows us time to get the beast out of office before he has a chance to try again.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
9. Oh, I have no doubt he will back the conservatives in the long run, but...
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:37 PM
Jun 2020

...for now, at this moment in history, with the election just ahead of us, the more ways that Trump gets rattled and shaken, the better for everybody. Seems like Trump loves to fly off the rails whenever his feeling are hurt, and having him fly off the rails right now is a very good thing for us.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
13. My ACLU friends reassured me about Roberts
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jun 2020

During his confirmation hearings, I was told that those who'd clerked with Roberts said he was a reasonable man. It looks like they were right.

Fullduplexxx

(7,864 posts)
14. based on what i read roberts said which is
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:39 PM
Jun 2020

the chief justice made clear that the decision was based on procedural issues and that the Trump administration could try to redress them.

Trump can fix the procedural issues and sent it back

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
16. This decision buys a little time
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jun 2020

If Trump somehow wins, DACA is done for. So many other things will be too.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
17. Anyone who is just now figuring out
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jun 2020

that Trump can't be trusted has a severe learning disability.

My apologies to those with severe learning disabilities.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
18. Congress needs to fix this.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 05:54 PM
Jun 2020

House Democrats should pass a bill now granting DACA recipients the right to stay here and the right to apply for citizenship. When the Senate votes it down, or Mitch refuses to allow it to come up for a vote, that can be used against them because a large majority of people, even Republicans, support allowing the DACA recipients stay.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»John Roberts Is Done Trus...