I want to know how many of these soaring numbers of newly infected

[lunatica]

are the people who insisted on their right to go to the beach or congregate in bars or dive into pools with hundreds of people are, in the latest surge of infected. People who demanded their rights to get a haircut or a beer at the point of their weapons. Why? Because I don’t think they deserve one moment of pity. They aren’t innocent victims of the virus. They’re the reason it’s spreading and spiking. They’re the reason more people are dying. I am totally fed up with them and their hate.

I will reserve my sympathy and tears for people putting themselves in harms way to fight against racism. My hope for these people is that the police don’t hurt any more of them and that they’ll survive if they get infected. They are the force behind the needed changes and the elimination of systemic racism.

I have reached my last nerve with Trump and Republicans and MAGATs.

[BigmanPigman]

1. 32,000 new cases today alone.

The last time it was this high was 6 weeks ago. Brazil has 55,000 ew cases today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/

[Ms. Toad]

4. Over 33,000, now - with an hour yet to go in the day.

May 1 is the last date it was this high.

[BigmanPigman]

7. This is getting worse if you look at the bar graph

for the whole world. It is going back up.

I just heard that while the first wave is still going on in the fall, the second wave will come and overlap it.

Oh goodie!

[Ms. Toad]

8. That could be.

But we are definitely still in the first wave. There was a slight decrease in cases - but only by about 1/4, and now we're nearly back at the top again. In other words we barely got over the crest before climbing back up.

[uponit7771]

9. N... no ... just ... no, we're not back into the 30s. Jus damn, ... Ms Toad, can you do some

... special math stuff to make that number go away?

jus sayin, this makes me sad

[Ms. Toad]

11. I wish I could.

I saw 29,000 mid-afternoon and knew today would be bad. It's worse than I thought it would be.

As long as it is this high, and there is nothing we can do to roll it back, I hope people who have become compacent are at least shocked out of complacency.

[uponit7771]

17. Do you think this is a one time jump? Yesterday it was 27,000 ... this is horrible

[Ms. Toad]

25. I'm afraid it's going up now because cases in places that opened prematurely

have gotten enough weight behind them that the exponential growth outweighs the loss of the NY cases.

But it's less predictable since NY started dropping, and other places leveled off.

Tomorrow will probably be less than today (it's Saturday), but I wouldn't be surprised if higher than Thursday - not sure if we're at the point at which the rate of growth makes the minor weekend decreases too small to notice.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

23. Large global spike today: 181,000 new cases per Worldometer.

US: +33.5K
Brazil: +55.2K
India: +14.7K

KY.............

[denem]

34. All of them led by RWNJ demagogs

[Baitball Blogger]

2. I heard the median year of the recent positive cases near me is late twenty.

[Initech]

3. 15 people went to a bar in Florida and literally all 15 got infected.

So there is that price.

[lunatica]

5. And they probably infected many.

No sympathy here for these irresponsible people. I’m saving my sympathy for those they infected.

[thenelm1]

20. Was it here or on Huff post or ?

Someone posted that Florida has recorded some 5+ K deaths due to "pneumonia" so far this year. The recent average of pneumonia as a primary cause of death per year was under a thousand. One of the associated/secondary causes of death for Covid patients is pneumonia. The obvious take from this is that at least 4K deaths listed with primary cause as "pneumonia" likely have an underlying cause due to Covid. Talk about cooking the numbers.

(And FYI - I'm an old IT guy and worked with preparing electronic submissions to insurance and gov't agencies for disease and fatality reporting for years. The standard reporting included a primary cause and up to about 10 secondary causes or contributing factors. Most every org used the format as defined by Medicare. How any entity could ultimately manipulate that data once sent from the hospital, particularly a gov't entity, is pretty easy. The programming could be easily altered to remove the primary cause, claims could be "reprocessed" to re-order the primary cause of death or re-run through a claims editor. Given what we've heard about the firing of the Florida programmer and her state dashboard - the fix is in. Given the right programming you can make just about any data point show what you want it show. This isn't just a "conspiracy' theory - I could have done the same at my (the hospital) level very easily. I mean, I wrote the program to extract this data from the hospital system. I was responsible for the whole process, including transmission, from my hospital side for years.)

[Initech]

29. This is the story I was referring to:

https://people.com/health/health-care-worker-15-friends-get-coronavirus-florida-bar/

There aren't enough facepalms for their stupidity.

[BamaRefugee]

19. Plus 7 positive employees of the bar.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. And the new cases are

happening in middle aged down to teens.

[uponit7771]

10. Hmmm, this is why the CFR is going down; younger people.

[House of Roberts]

13. I thought I read earlier today that the infection rate for BLM protesters was just under 1%.

The protesters were wearing masks, which maybe helped a little with the gas and also hid identity.

[tblue37]

14. Plus they were outside. nt

[GulfCoast66]

15. I'm curious to see if all the protests drive up the numbers

Because many, not all, of them far exceeded the scenes I have seen from beaches at crowding.

My suspicion, and hope, is that it is hard to spread while outdoors. It seems crowded indoor spaces are where we read about multiple cases.

And our stupid governor in Florida is allowing things to operate like normal. At least he has not, yet, prevented local governments from making stricter regulations like in Texas. Orange County(Orlando) are requiring masks everywhere starting at midnight tonight. Democratic controlled I should add.

Just spent 3 days fishing in a bright red county. Needless to say I cooked all the meals(fresh fish) in the efficiency. No one distancing or wearing masks there in restaurants or bars. We were going to go into one of our favorites. Walked in. Looked around and did a U turn

Time will tell.

[crickets]

31. Tentative good news. So far it seems the protestors got it right.

They were outdoors, many if not most wore masks, and hand sanitizer was everywhere. It will take another week before the low numbers are considered trustworthy.

More than 2 weeks after start of nationwide protests, little sign of COVID spike, but officials remain cautious

When protests started after the May 25 killing of George Floyd, health experts worried that the large gatherings could spark outbreaks of the coronavirus. Yet more than two weeks since those protests hit their peak, there is little evidence that has happened, though officials caution it is far too early — and the circumstances far too complicated — to draw any broad conclusions.
[snip]

“Because of the potential for asymptomatic spread of this virus, giving an ‘all-clear’ time frame is difficult,” Bartkey said in an email on Tuesday. “We need to allow about 21 days for the first generation of infections to appear (i.e. 21 days from exposure to test result – 14-day incubation plus another few days to seek health care or get tested and for the result to come to us); but if there is asymptomatic spread in a household, it could be another 14-21 days for those secondary cases to appear.”

For now, however, Minnesota has not seen a high positivity rate in tests from protesters. Bartkey said Health Partners, a health care provider in the state that is conducting testing, has conducted coronavirus tests on 8,500 people at its sites “where the person is confirmed to have been at a protest, vigil or clean up mass event.” Of this, Bartkey said there has been “a 1-percent positivity rate.”

The article is rather long and discusses numbers in other areas around the country as well as the various National Guard units involved.

[GulfCoast66]

32. I kept my powder pretty dry when so much of DU was freaking about beaches.

But unless talking spring break crowds, which are insane, most people on Florida Beaches actively work to stay away from others. And when a photo is taken looking down a beach it make it look like people are on top of each other. When they are normally 10 feet apart or more.

I’m thinking outside it the safest place to be.

Florida is having a big increase now. And we are now in summer. Few Floridians spend much time outside when it is 92 and humid. They crowd into Air Conditioned establishments.

[Tetrachloride]

16. I am surprised my local supermarket has not insisted on masks.

[NoMoreRepugs]

18. I'm in N Florida. The goobers here are NEVER going to wear masks.

Seems fair to me that they should not be able to use a respirator that might save the life of someone that TRIED to avoid the virus.

[GulfCoast66]

33. I'm in South Lake. Orlando bedroom community.

Mask the majority here.

But spent 3 days in Citrus County this week. No masks except a minority in the grocery. Restaurants and bars like pre-virus. We opted to cook in the apartment every meal.

[Pacifist Patriot]

37. I drove from the Space Coast to Tallahassee and back yesterday.

Had to clear out my son's dorm room abandoned at Spring Break, or I most definitely would not have made the trip. Would estimate no more than 10% mask wearing witnessed at any gas station or rest stop along the way. No social distancing at all. And the traffic sure didn't seem much different for a Friday in June.

In all sincerity, the only people I saw 100% masked were a group selling Black Lives Matter t-shirts at an intersection in Tallahassee.

[progree]

21. Iran - it was one of the first 4 or 5 countries to make Covid headlines

way back in February. (Remember that government official at the podium repeatedly wiping sweat off his face?) Then it dropped out of the headlines, so I thought all was well, that they had done some Supreme Ayatollah magic. Then that Frontline program "The Virus: What Went Wrong?" that I watched last night reminded me of Iran.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/

Anyway, after quite a long dip, its getting back up to close to its late March-early April peak. Both in daily new cases and daily new deaths.

[Ferrets are Cool]

22. We will never know that answer

IMO

[KY_EnviroGuy]

24. Take it to the bank: They all broke the rules in some way.

Complacency, ignorance and pigheadedness kills........

[LymphocyteLover]

26. Beaches could be safe if people socially distance

it's not unlike outdoor rallies

[Dios Mio]

27. Yeah

Both my daughters are nurses with young children at home. I sometimes wish they would walk off their wards but of course they won’t. These assholes that spread infection because they need to be rebels at the expense of dedicated workers causes so much stress for these young people and their families that
it just makes me sick.

[lunatica]

35. I think about the nurses and doctors all the time

To think that they put their lives on the line to save these people really breaks my heart if they’re fighting to save MAGATs who are deliberately ignoring the virus.

[Bear Creek]

28. Tri state area

[link:https://www.wsaz.com/2020/06/19/health-department-reports-more-positive-covid-19-cases-connected-to-myrtle-beach-travel/|

Almost everyone from this area goes to Myrtle Beach once a year. I expect another increase. I know some that went to Ft. Lauderdale Miami with a whole group. No mask no social distancing. One of them bragged about no mask anyone can come over. They had a spike in Miami and so they went over to Clearwater.

[Warpy]

30. Fools willing to be fooled?

This is a virus. It doesn't care who it infects. It's not a punishment and it's not a retribution from an angry deity. I don't blame them any more than I blamed gay men back in the 80s for dying of AIDS. That way lies the kind of madness crooked preachers love to exploit.

We're a social species. A majority of us are extroverts and they find alone time to be boring and uncomfortable. A month or two of staying at home hit their limit. Likely most were taking a chance, thinking they'd avoid anyone who looked ill or was coughing and they'd be OK, just so they'd feel normal for a few hours.

I'm a raging introvert, so solitary confinement wasn't a big deal for me. I do know it was a very big deal for other people, most of whom aren't spreading disinformation and aren't all that politically oriented.

Now the asshats at the Big Dummy hateapalooza, those are the ones I have no sympathy for, and they're spreading something far worse than a virus.

[BComplex]

36. Another raging introvert here, too, Warpy.

I've enjoyed getting to stay sequestered.