We have had this arguement about masks before..."seat belts" in the 70s and early 80s..

[Stuart G]

Why put on your seat belt? I don't want to be told to put one on. So I won't. When the cars first had them, not everyone used it. Then, they passed rules that said you had to put them on..People didn't. No one is going to tell me what to do??? (sound familiar?)...

Jimmy Carter mandated that belts be installed in 84 cars in front. (not sure when the mandate went through on the back seats....At the link below, check out deaths on the highway late 70s and early 80s compared to now, and number of cars on the road...and gradual decrease in deaths after people started wearing them, & air bags installed, & other safety devises mandated...Carter saved more lives with these rules then Bush's war killed.

I know you don't believe....Hit the link for proof..(remember that argument?..& no one tells me what to do?)
Look carefully at deaths on highway from about 82 on.....& number of cars on road...those safety devises were mandated by Carter...(at first, people did not have to put them on..later laws were passed which made it .mandatory to wear them, front and back Do you wear one? I do all the time. Today, about an hour ago, I got off the phone with someone whose life was saved by a seatbelt & shoulder harness. Stupidity has always run wild in humans.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

[StarfishSaver]

1. I think it's more akin to no-smoking regulations

Because both are geared toward protecting others from harm.

[Voltaire2]

2. seat belts, air bags, unleaded gas, tobacco....

[intrepidity]

3. More like DUI laws

Masks are to protect the public

[Stuart G]

4. DUI laws protect the driver, as well as the opposing cars that the drunk driver hits.

Masks protect everyone in the store where you go to buy stuff. ....everyone...

[intrepidity]

5. Agreed. The thing about selling it as "for their own good"

is that they want to claim rugged individualism.

But hardly anybody anymore thinks they have a right to DUI.

[LakeArenal]

6. WI still does not require helmets for motorcycles!!

Harley lobby was very strong.

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. IMO, apples and oranges

I've always worn a helmet because the law required me to do so. But, if I lived in a state that did not require me to wear one, I might not. No one's else life is in danger if I do not wear a helmet.
Why are people allowed to jump out of airplanes or climb mountain faces? Or do ANYTHING that is dangerous?
The difference is when I do something that DOES endanger the life or safety of someone else.
LIKE NOT WEARING A MASK!!

[LakeArenal]

12. I'm not sure my sister, a life long emergency room nurse would disagree about the fruit thing.

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. So? In that case, lets make it against the law to do ANYTHING

dangerous...like smoking or drinking OR any of the things on this list.
https://www.tetongravity.com/story/adventure/your-chances-of-dying-ranked-by-sport-and-activity

My point was and is, IF you are risking the life of someone else by sometime YOU are doing (or not doing) it is wrong.
You cannot compare it to something that risks no ones life but your own.
Lets just agree to disagree.

[LakeArenal]

17. Dying or extreme injury on a motor cycle does not effect one person

Or always isolated never involving others.
Others involved in your accident might have to live with images they’d never ask for.

Not to mention the severity of injuries requiring extensive emergency room services that probably would be less had they used helmets.

Bull riders used to ride without helmets because of manly optics. Over the years they wised up and require helmets.

For the record, I think they should ban things like climbing Everest or drop down skiing in avalanche country. But I know they won’t.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. How about sky diving, or surfing or all the other activities that can cause one to need

emergency room services. It is a never ending spiral if you go down that avenue. Hell, I can get run over crossing the street. You CAN'T remove all risks from our society.

[LakeArenal]

21. Talk about apples and oranges. Skydivers use helmets and parachutes.

Very few people die

If you make one jump in a year, your chance of dying is 1 in 100,000.

Cycles killed over 5000 last year.
Chances of 1 in 700

Helmets save lives. Period.

[Ferrets are Cool]

26. So you are saying that ALL 5000 motorcycle deaths were caused by NOT wearing a helmet?

Helmets save lives? So does NOT bull riding.

[Ms. Toad]

14. Not quite apples and oranges. Maybe lemons and oranges.

If you have a helmet, you likely live. If you don't, you likely don't - or you end up severely brain damaged and it takes lots fo money to care for you.

So while it doesn't increase the safety of anyone other than the motorcyclist, it drives up the cost of compensating your family for the loss of your life or caring for your extended rehabilitation and diminished life. So it hurts others more financially when you choose not to wear a helmet.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

18. On the up side, unhelmeted motorcyclists

make excellent organ donors.

[Ferrets are Cool]

20. So do people in auto wrecks. That was a really sick think to say. nt

[LakeArenal]

22. Not so sick as pretending helmets don't save lives.

[Ferrets are Cool]

24. So does not base jumping, but people still do it. Are they "great organ donors" also?

[4139]

7. Sorry but you are way off... seat belts were require in 1968....

“ There were no regulations for seat belt performance in the U.S. until after National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966 created what is now the National Highway Safety Traffic Administration (NHTSA). The first seat belt law—federal law Title 49 of the United States Code, Chapter 301, Motor Vehicle Safety Standard—took effect in 1968. The law required manufacturers to fit seat belts into vehicles.......

In 1984 New York became the first state to mandate that drivers use a seat belt. Over the next eleven years 48 other states instituted seat belt use laws. New Hampshire is the only U.S. state without a seat belt use law for drivers.”

https://saferide4kids.com/blog/history-of-seat-belts-effective/

[marybourg]

9. Yep. My first seat-belt equipped car

was my '62 Pontiac. I was going to stay out of this, because information is clearly coming from a source for whom history began when s/he was born. We had this same discussion a few weeks ago and the same incorrect time frame was cited.

[gulliver]

8. But then we didn't have Iago T. Barnum in the White House.

[OverBurn]

11. I admit I was one of those idiots against seat belt laws back then, cause "the gubbermint".

Happy to say I now feel naked without a seat belt and leaving home without a mask. Sometimes things ARE just better for you, just except it and live with it.

[tblue37]

13. And motorcycle helmet laws, too. nt

[Iggo]

15. Seatbelts. Helmets. Condoms.

Same motherfuckers, every time.

[BusyBeingBest]

23. There are some people who won't be reasoned with or convinced.

My late father in law refused to wear a seatbelt, despite a disfiguring accident in his younger days. Real men don't take safeguards against bodily injury or illness, don'tcha know.

[spanone]

25. no shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service.