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https://www.politicususa.com/2020/06/25/barr-mail-in-voting.htmlPosted on Thu, Jun 25th, 2020 by Jason Easley
Barr Falls Apart When Pressed For Evidence Of Mail In Ballot Fraud
Attorney General William Barr was pressed for evidence to back up his claims of potential mail-in ballot fraud and he had nothing.
Transcript of Barrs interview as provided to PoliticusUSA by NPR:
Steve Inskeep: Did you have evidence to raise that specific concern?
WB: No, its obvious. Its obvious that it can be done. Of course, we got to a lot of quite. Why do you think we go to the problems we do in crafting single dollar bills? Because make it hard to counterfeit.
SI: Now, do they not also go through procedures like that with mail-in ballot?
WB: Youve seen them. Theyre pretty primitive.
CurtEastPoint
(18,663 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)Lol
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)If you say it with conviction, most reporters will be courteous and give you a pass.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Which is entirely vote by mail and has been for 20 years.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Because here's what a counterfeiter would have to do: Somehow print up a lot of ballots with unique bar codes that match the ballots that go out to voters. Ascertain who hasn't voted and won't vote, then mark a unique ballot for that voter with the votes of the counterfeiter's choice. Starting to see what kind of effort we're talking about? And what happens if the counterfeiter casts a ballot for a voter who submits a ballot later? Two ballots, one voter is the sort of thing that's going to get flagged at the county headquarters.
Further, you'd have to have a sufficiently close race to make a difference with the small percentage of ballots counterfeited. The payoff is dubious, the risk is high, the penalty for getting caught is severe, and the ultimate outcome is by no means sure. It would be like counterfeiting pennies.
That's all that needs to be done on these nonsense "fraud" allegations: How would it work? End of inquiry.
-Laelth
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)Nicely laid out!
Salviati
(6,008 posts)It hasn't happened to me, but a friend got a call from the elections department because they felt his signature didn't sufficiently match that on his voter registration. Everything was on the up and up, but it goes to show that they do check that stuff.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)own ballot design and envelop. Most counties never use the same ballot design or envelope more than once. In order to interfere, an outside force would have to duplicate each county's ballot and envelop exactly and do that for every county in a targeted state.
leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)Ass Hole! We have been doing VBM for over 20 years (Oregon) and we have had no problems!
You are full of shit. I'm glad NPR pushed back.
Brother Buzz
(36,463 posts)erronis
(15,328 posts)but not for people that much more valid reasons to not be able to stand in line at one of the increasingly limited voting booths.
How convenient for barr and his rich friends.
How inconvenient for all the rest of us.
Wonder if this is intentional.
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)It's Hard to Find a Trump Who Hasn't Voted by Mail
https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-hard-to-find-a-trump-who-hasnt-voted-by-mail?via=ios
"President Trumps Twitter rant about mail-in voting omitted the that virtually everyone eligible to vote in his immediate family has sent their vote via the postal service."
"The White House has acknowledged the president mailed in ballots in New York in 2018 and in Florida this year, and the Orlando Sun-Sentinel reported that First Lady Melania Trump had recently also taken advantage of the Sunshine States remote voting program."
"On reviewing records from the Manhattan Board of Elections, The Daily Beast discovered that Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and the First Lady all had ballots mailed to them in Washington, D.C. as recently as the 2018 election cycle, and have done so since decamping to the capital three years ago. Eric Trump, who remains in New York, similarly exercised his franchise via envelope and stamp in 2017."
***Mike and Karen Pence used the address of the Indiana governor's mansion, which they moved out of in December 2016 as they transitioned to their new home in Washington, DC.
It's not illegal for the Pences to vote using their previous address, but it does undercut President Donald Trump's argument that mail-in ballots can lead to a rigged election.
https://www.businessinsider.com/vice-president-pence-voted-by-mail-in-indiana-gop-primary-2020-6
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)The dirty fascist SOBs do not deserve to bring it up to the public and ALL of the media should not be spreading their falsified issue.
If the media doesn't want to be called fake news, then stop giving them airtime for their lies and cheating, but do ridicule them for their lies and cheating with real facts. Make them afraid to even get close to a microphone.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)They use whatever knowledge they have to just hornswoggle people.
Salviati
(6,008 posts)I'll let him pick which one he wants to be.
The thing about dollar bills is that it's not like every dollar bill is collected by a central authority and counted every time each dollar is spent. So the anti-counterfeiting measures taken for cash have to be self evident, so a) they are hard to duplicate and b) easy to reasonably verify by any random person.
When all ballots are collected by a central authority to be tabulated, all one has to do is confirm that there are no duplicate ballots, and that every ballot received matches one that went out. You don't need sophisticated watermarks or hidden features/micro-printing on ballots.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)The GOP got fucking trounced in WA State - every competitive House district went to the Dems. If fraud was the case, Trump's DOJ would have been on it like white on rice.
Just because a thing is POSSIBLE does not meant it is PROBABLE. Admitting that isn't to the GOP's advantage.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)a tear off receipt with my ballot # on it, too. Only ONE ballot with that name, address, & number can be counted. The algorithm used to produce that ballot matches the info on the returned ballot exactly, thereby negating any attempt to duplicate it.
Barr is an asshole.
Edited to add: counterfeiters would also have to match my signature on the back of the return envelope.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)Vote by mail is "okay" if you, you know travel...
So there is a difference between the mail if you travel and if you stay home?
I have voted absentee, then my county okay'd permanent vote by mail. There was NO difference in the procedure for receiving and sending in my ballot.
ALSO....
Do you think that we make absentee ballots AND dollar bills one at a time? Have you ever watched an episode of "How it's Made"? Maybe you should educate yourself before you continue showing us how ignorant you are.
Cha
(297,655 posts)to Pieces More People will Vote.. and evidently not their way.
ms liberty
(8,596 posts)He is literally speaking non sense there.
rickford66
(5,528 posts)lettucebe
(2,336 posts)It's ridiculous to say it's fraught with peril. It works beautifully, and don't even need a stamp