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Racists lose today - great news.
https://www.kwqc.com/2020/06/28/watch-miss-lawmakers-to-reconvene-for-state-flag-vote/
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It's about time.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But even in Mississippi, racists are on the defensive.
spanone
(135,858 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)leftieNanner
(15,137 posts)said he would sign the bill.
This has been a very long time coming.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)malaise
(269,155 posts)struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)malaise
(269,155 posts)struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:47 PM - Edit history (1)
Goned down de road some time dis mornin like he gonna leave dis place
He seen a smoke way up de ribber whar de Lincoln gunboats lay
He took his hat and he lef very sudden and I speck he's run away
De massa run, ha ha! De darkey stay, ho ho!
Mus be now dat de kindom a-coming in de year of Jubilo!
edit: Henry C Work, 1862
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Would really like to know somrthing about this
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)marble falls
(57,150 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I hope they don't ruin it by adding "IN GOD WE TRUST".
sheshe2
(83,850 posts)Thanks!
paleotn
(17,939 posts)they'll screw it up somehow. This is Mississippi after all.
localroger
(3,629 posts)Takket
(21,609 posts)and MS was the 20th state
localroger
(3,629 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)malaise
(269,155 posts)This was to get rid of the racist state flag
Brother Buzz
(36,456 posts)I hear on the radio in the wee hours of the night. It takes me a bit of time to sort it all out the next day.
malaise
(269,155 posts)so what - we're human
efhmc
(14,731 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)malaise
(269,155 posts)Perfect for this occasion. Hope they finally bury Robert E Lee
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)I'm not all that nice a person, though. Sure the poor white southerners were exploited and victims of the rich slave-owning aristocracy, but they fought the damned war. I can't just blame the ones at the top.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_They_Drove_Old_Dixie_Down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)One of the big inducements is that with the import of slaves becoming legal they would be cheap enough that nearly every white person could buy them.
localroger
(3,629 posts)And almost had to be, to manage to be as outside of the conflict as it was. Most of those who fought for the South didn't own slaves, and in fact slavery competed with their prospects for employment. But it was a thing in those days that you defended your home right or wrong, and in those days it was more your state that was your home with the union being a more abstract and distant thing. That is certainly the siren logic that got to Robert E. Lee. But it might be easier to see the Southern perspective from a point about the Japanese in WWII from George Stimson, our then secretary of war -- it is a mistake to belittle the valor of an enemy, because it takes the valor of our own troops to defeat it. And at the end of the day, the surviving Southern soldiers and the families of those who didn't survive were once again citizens of the Union. Their valor may have been terribly misplaced, but to mock it is foolish. Most of them didn't care about slavery, they were fighting to prevent the exact thing that Stoneman and Sherman did. Yes they ended slavery, but to do it they invented war crime. Hallelujah.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)My family has been Southern for over 300 years. Many of my direct ancestors owned slaves.
When they fell on hard times, they moved west for better land and worked their asses off until they could afford slaves.
Most of the yeoman Farmers who fought for the south would have loved to be able to afford slaves.
Yeah, there were exceptions. I know one of my ancestors freed his in the 1820s or 30s, best we can tell. Records are spotty. He used his plantation as a home for destitute elderly whites. But the county paid him for the service. I guess he did not like the role of slave master and found another way to make bank. And the people in the Appalachia part of the south were always pro union. But only because their land was not suited well to slave plantation economy. The Confederacy never really pacified that region. Its why we have a West Virginia. I never heard they were anti slavery generally.
And never forget, they were not fighting just to preserve slavery, but to expand it west as the US grew. They knew that if slavery was prohibited in new states they would lose the power they had in congress. Which because of the 3/5 clause was pretty dominant.
They were reactionary and there was no limit they would not go to in order to keep their power That they saw slipping away.
Sound familiar?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I am an alum of W&L University. Part of a strong coalition of alum fighting hard to change the name of the institution. Don't give a shit if the name of my alma mater on my diploma becomes obsolete. It must change and soon.
I and countless others are pursuing both change to the name and change to the culture at that school. Lost Cause shit has to be eliminated everywhere! No place whatsoever in education.
I am so tired of reconciling the paradox of getting an excellent education from a racist misogynist institution. My experience was complex to say the least. Thirty years later I am still wrestling with it. It brings me to literal tears, and I use the word literal literally .
Lee was a traitor and a contemptible human being. He deserves no one's respect. The mythology that has been constructed about him is horrific and dangerous. Take that from someone who was indoctrinated into the cult worship of Saint Bob. It is real. It is sick.
malaise
(269,155 posts)Many of us went to schools and colleges associated with racism
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)It is a great school academically, but outside of religious universities, the Citadel and that crazy school in Michigan, is there a more conservative university?
I assume you want its original name? Washington University.
A high schoolfriend went there in the early 80s. He was a decent guy when in high school. At our 20th reunion he was the biggest dick there. Was not happy that so many of our African American classmates attended even though they were 30% of our class. Even his closest High school friends ended up giving him the brush off. That kind of talk was not generally accepted by educated folks in central Arkansas even in the early 2000s.
Your post confirms my suspicions about where that came from.
Thanks for fighting the good fight.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Getting involved in this has really opened my eyes. I don't think the school is nearly as conservative now as it was back in the 80s and 90s, but still a conservative stronghold I would imagine. I had no idea there were as many progressive alums as I have encountered.
I wouldn't mind if they changed the name to Dubyanell University. I already have that t-shirt.
Marcuse
(7,504 posts)That they should!
LuvNewcastle
(16,849 posts)Now everybody can pick their favorite to replace it. It wasn't politically easy for some of those legislators, but I'm glad they finally did the right thing. I'm so glad we're finally putting this ugliness behind us.
sheshe2
(83,850 posts)I didn't want to be disappointed...and I am not.
Thanks malaise.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)Mississippi is trying to climb out of the muck.
Hav
(5,969 posts)should definitely not be mandatory. Sounds like a compromise so that the Rs can justify their vote.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)And give rurals who voted to remove the flag something to take back home. Since they are starting anew, I believe that "e Pluribus Unum" would have been far better.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Im sure to get the vote they had to throw a bone to the holdouts.
And after all, it is on our coinage. As much as I dislike it.
You get what you can get in politics.
Unrepentant Fenian
(1,078 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I am ok with confederate statues and emblems in museums or on Civil War battlefields, but not in public spaces that the general public visit daily. The confederacy was part of our shared history. People choose to go to museums and visit battlefields, they often have no choice but to walk through, walk by or drive by public spaces.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,042 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Mississippi has some great natural landmarks that it can put on it's state flag in the place of the confederate flag emblem.
Long over due.