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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm quickly correcting myself on the best replacement name for 'Karens'. This is PERFECT!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
Becky, Karen, Susan & Gertrude are all two syllables and easy to think internally or speak.
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Hermit-The-Prog
(33,397 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)MagickMuffin
(15,950 posts)She was a busybody. Always spying and be extremely nosey.
DEbluedude
(816 posts)Been calling my wife Gladys for years. ABNER!!!
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)MagickMuffin
(15,950 posts)and bye bye nosey Gladys!
I'm surprised Endora didn't play with her more. That would have brought in a whole new element into the show!
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)Betsy.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Chemisse
(30,814 posts)Your mind just fills in the blanks and it can be funny.
Ivanka is only funny in that 'better to laugh than cry' way that all things Trumpian are. Sometimes it's nice to have a hearty laugh that is not politically tarnished.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Chemisse
(30,814 posts)pdxflyboy
(678 posts)Rebl2
(13,539 posts)Or maybe Milania or however name is spelled.
wnylib
(21,562 posts)Almost better than Ivanka.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,678 posts)Quixote1818
(28,955 posts)LakeArenal
(28,835 posts)Melanias as well.
Melanias dont care.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)or something.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)to all of the non-racist women named Karen? So is changing the name to another woman's name any better? It just means that non-racist women named "Ivanka" would be the new victims.
I'll just stick with "Karen" since obviously this really isn't really about what people claim it is, at all ...
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Karens, as we already know, are white busybody racist women Who feel they are not only entitled to ban all Black people from public places but who feel it is their job to do it themselves, in person. They have the police on speed dial because they feel the police work for them personally and will shoot anyone who they are told to shoot. It is a limited role per say. They are not meant to be seen because they prefer the obscurity of underhanded anonymity.
Ivankas, on the other hand, are daddys precious little girls who believe their role in the world is to rub elbows with royalty and world leaders and the other rich beautiful people and that they must always be seen to be doing it in ubiquitous photographs. Like Paris Hilton Ivankas are meant to just be famous, for no other reason than that they have famous last names and have access to all the latest in fashion, plastic surgery and Botox. Their role in life is to be seen.
Ivankas may act like Karens on occasions but Karens are never to be confused with Ivankas.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Why should every Ivanka in America be punished?
You're doing to the Ivankas what you claim people are doing to the Karens.
You can't win this argument because if it's wrong to attach a woman's name to particular behavior because it's mysogynistic and unfair to the women with that name who don't share those characteristics, it's wrong to attach ANY woman's name to that behavior for the same reason.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Never heard the name before. Maybe its a Slovenian thing, or wherever her mother Ivana is from. Come to think of it Ive never heard of another Ivana either. Ever.
Im pretty sure all other Ivankas are pretty safe. If any exist the worst that they will suffer will be theyll be confused with rich daddys girls who must always be photo ready.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,610 posts)"Ivanka" is an affectionate diminutive of that name.
I'm only aware of one person in the country who uses that name. It may be relatively common in Slavic countries.
Rhiannon12866
(205,839 posts)My grandmother was Polish - similar language - and they used the same diminutives for female names. I looked up Ivana and she's Czech.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,387 posts)thinkingagain
(906 posts)After reading another post.
Or melania or even trumpys
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)Historic NY
(37,452 posts)lark
(23,140 posts)onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)rainin
(3,011 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,869 posts)Traildogbob
(8,790 posts)Nothing more insulting than to be called that. She is the poster child of what Karens are. Spoiled selfish princess. Fake person.
BaronChocula
(1,578 posts)"Dear people of the world: Please stop calling entitled, horrible WHITE women 'Karens.'..."
It makes all the difference in the world. The central vexing fact about Karens is that they use their WP as a trump in every situation they can. A Karen is not only a woman. it is a white woman. If you're not a Karen, you should have no problem acknowledging that.
Disaffected
(4,559 posts)Sure, Ivanka is a vacuous, entitled nini but she does not seems to be nearly as angry and mean as a lot of the "Karens" we have read about here.
Leona Helmsley, the 'Queen of Mean', might be a better candidate although I expect most have forgotten about her by now.
wnylib
(21,562 posts)demeanor fit better than Ivanka's.
It was Melania who wore the coat saying, "I really don't care. Do you?"
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)I imagine the behind the scenes demeanor might be a bit more biting.
The vast majority of we "Karens" are not as horrible as the online world thinks we are!
LiberalArkie
(15,727 posts)They always win at everything. They always ________________. Fill in the blank. Buffy has always been with Chad.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Use the Karen in parentheses until people get the idea of using trumppits. Do not capitalize the first letter of the name as to not give any respect. That is unless it is the first letter in the sentence. Like female trump supporters are the pits.
I do not think there is a chance of offending anyone's name that way.
hlthe2b
(102,331 posts)betsuni
(25,596 posts)Ivankas do not mingle with the public. One has staff for that.
Voltaire2
(13,109 posts)They punch down to feel powerful for a moment.
Ivanka is a powerful wealthy elite.
Big difference.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)And who knows what actually goes on behind closed doors, in Ivanka-land.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Siwsan
(26,288 posts)My gut says it's pretty uncommon in these here parts.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Siwsan
(26,288 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Thank you.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)I just find this kind of purposely obstreperous and (what I see as) needlessly confrontational discourse to be far too exhausting to continue. But that's just me. I understand others think differently.
Mme. Defarge
(8,037 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)She's as worthless and disgusting as her sugar daddy. Ivanka is just an idiot.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)Both have sold their souls - if they ever had one, in the first place.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)or anyone named Ivanka whose last name isn't Trump.
Maybe Privileged White Woman (PWW)? or Spoiled White Woman (SWW). Or Wihte Overbrearing Obnoxious Female (WOOF)
Like we used to say MCPs for Male Chauvinist Pigs in the '60s.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)I do like WOOF but you have to know there are some who would likely do enough parcing to equate that to another hat tip to calling someone a 'female dog'.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)who is a Karen. I still like Ivanka better. There aren't many other Ivankas to be innocently included.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)wouldn't support Trump, or any R, in a million years. This Karen as a pejorative fad is upsetting. She's talking about changing her name.
Thekaspervote
(32,787 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)Besides my sweet sister being named Karen, battling through COVID, and now back on the frontlines as a nurse, this is what pisses me off most about it. NEVER is there a male equivalent to get the same amount of hate and vitriol, even though more fat slob MAGA monsters are male.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)Siwsan
(26,288 posts)And we can discuss and disagree without umbrage or confrontation. Easiest way to learn from each other.
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)samsingh
(17,600 posts)relayerbob
(6,550 posts)Yeah, I know too many nice Karens. Someone trumped up not calling them Ivankas in the first place. LOL
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)Ivankas would never be caught dead:
in a public park BBQ (ugh, the nerve)
in Walmart (that's where the 'people' go)
in Target (That's where the other 'people' go)
without an assistant (who may be a 'Karen' for hire)
It just doesn't work. Ivankas have assistants who do the 'Karening' for them.
Siwsan
(26,288 posts)IMHO, of course. But I do miss the BBQ Becky days. Those spontaneous names were great.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)Siwsan
(26,288 posts)Life is just far too short to spend any of it causing unnecessary turmoil.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)One woman in her twenties worked two full time jobs to save up a down payment on a home and moved her ailing mom in with her. She kept her other full time job, but her family is still around and she is doing well.
Another woman is older and has her own home and works a full time job to pay for it all, but will always accept overtime to pay for home improvements that increase the value of her property, no matter what.
Then there is the other woman who owns her own home, works full time as a professional, and takes a part time job to pay for things to make life fun for her and others. She is so generous with her time and money. Hey girl!
The men are just as equally impressive. An 80+ year old man who works 40 hours a week no matter what. Just the nicest guy ever. You know the one? The older guy that always has a kind word for everyone, believes in God, sings hymnals, and everyone loves.
Another man who worked two full time jobs for years well into his 60's. He retired from one job but kept the other just because it is all he knows: To Work. He worked his whole life and could not have imagined it any other way.
The younger guy that does whatever it takes to provide for his family. He learns as much as he can about policy and procedures, takes an active role in educating others, and keeps plugging away and makes sure he applies for every promotional opportunity available.
They are all fucking super stars and it is heart breaking to think they will be treated differently just because of the color of their skin. It makes me weep to think about it.
Cha
(297,503 posts)I saw ivanka's name in an OP here.
Swear!
treestar
(82,383 posts)and evokes only one person to most people, rather than evoking one of their friends or loved ones.
BComplex
(8,059 posts)She doesn't take it personally, because she's not mentally ill, and she knows the "other" Karens are batshit crazy.
FakeNoose
(32,709 posts)Of course I'm talking about a specific person - Ivanka Trump.
The use of the name "Karen" is universal and ubiquitous, but at the same time it's generic. We all know someone like that Karen, who's a self-important white-privileged busybody. But most of us don't know Ivanka Trump other than what's presented in the media.
So for that reason I'm going to stick with "Karen" as a white-privilege moniker, and I'll still make jokes about Ivanka Trump whenever I can.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Count me in.
El Mimbreno
(777 posts)Especially since our candidate for State House Is Karen W.
lykemike
(25 posts)We're not replacing the name. Sorry Karen.
H2O Man
(73,581 posts)I've been sick as a dog since Thursday afternoon. But I keep reading this every time I head to the bathroom, to keep my spirits up.