3 Ventilators 10 Needed Which 7 Will Die?

[DanieRains]

What doctors are now dealing with on CNN.

Maybe we should stay home and wear masks if we go shopping.

[Renew Deal]

1. How old are they? What are their chances of survival?

Do they have young children?
Are they good people?
Do they have criminal records?
Does any of this matter?

It is a classic philosophical problem.

[DanieRains]

3. They Were Younger The Doctor Said

Which 7 will die. He has to decide.

Not a good day to be a doctor.

And it is spreading.....

[sanatanadharma]

8. 2 patients, same sex, age, health, race, survivable chance- One bed

As suggested in this post, https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213687019

Imagine two Covid-19 patients, perhaps twins, both patients are equal in all measures of family, education, work, worth and value for medical care triage.
However, one followed all safe practices of staying home, mask wearing, social distancing, avoiding crowds, etc.
The other flaunted all measures.

Who gets the last ventilator?

[tazkcmo]

11. So besides needing PPE and more staff

The hospital's now need a pair of dice? So much winning.

[lostnfound]

14. My first thought was the one who took precautions. My second thought is..

That the mere thought of letting someone die for a stupid belief (or for any reason at all) makes me physically ill..

[empedocles]

2. Need a red county or state ad here.

[former9thward]

4. Where?

Cuomo said he had plenty of ventilators. He was sending them out of the country. Why no link?

[DanieRains]

5. California The Doctor Said

[DanieRains]

6. No Link

Doctor interview on CNN.

5 minutes ago.

[soothsayer]

7. Drumpf is the self-proclaimed king of the ventilators

Oh, Jared said they’re for “our” use, not the states.

My bad.

[former9thward]

17. Ventilators have not been an issue anywhere for at least two months.

The latest data shows CA where this OP is supposed to come from, has over 10,000 and they are only using about 700. Newsom has been shipping them to other areas and he gave 500 back to the federal stockpile.

[Takket]

9. Shouldn't be any excuse for shortages

What happened to all the ventilator being built with the defense production act? As well as all the ones not needed in places like NY that already peaked???

[ChazII]

12. +1

Good point.

[crickets]

15. This. The shortage seems tragically unnecessary. nt

[former9thward]

18. There is no shortage in CA where this OP story is from.

CA has been shipping them elsewhere and giving them back to the federal government.

[greytdemocrat]

19. Some don't want to hear this. N/T

[Celerity]

10. without a link that gives the full picture it is hard to comment further nt

[Hoyt]

13. I'd question the competence of the hospital's administration. Ventilators are available, and there

is no need for a shortage, at this point.

[DanieRains]

16. You Need A Whole Team To Run A Ventilator When IC Is Maxxed Out And There Is No More Staff

All the ventilators in the world won't help.

The doctor I saw interviewed don't go into the weeds. He just said he had 10 people who need ventilators, and only 3 to hook them up to.