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no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:18 AM Jul 2020

Observations from a NJ Poll Worker (Primary Election)

Yesterday I worked at the polls in my small town. Generally all registered voters were provided with mail-in ballots and a majority of those voting utilized this option. The voters who didn't mail in their vote showed up at the polls. They were offered provisional ballots which both the ballot and its envelope.

We had less than 125 voters all day (6:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.). We had a "back up" of 3-4 voters maybe twice as we only had four voting "tables" for the entire town.

Our community is very diverse: whites, African-American, Latino, Arab and the ballots and instructions are in English and Spanish.

That being said, I watched about half the voters spend 15 minutes on completing the envelope. Not the ballot. Basic stuff like name, residential address, choice of drivers license or last 4 digits of Social Security #, gender, choice of party. They were generally confused. It wasn't small printing or something exculpatory. The ballot -- many voters had to be instructed on filling in the circle next to their choice of candidate, like SATs. I get it; a lot of people don't have much experience with forms due to their (lack of) education.

Some encouraging observations: All but 3 voters were aligned with the Democratic Party; most of them had not declared party affiliation prior to voting and chose accordingly.

As for Trump's assertion that the vote would be "rigged" in November, our team was scrupulous in record-keeping. We counted all the provisional ballots AND the envelopes before the polls opened and periodically counted during the voting hours and took a final count and RECORDED how many ballots/envelopes were left over when we closed the polls.

Every voter who showed up was allowed to vote provisionally.

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Observations from a NJ Poll Worker (Primary Election) (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Jul 2020 OP
New voters. That's excellent. You trained them. Laelth Jul 2020 #1
Ditto mountain grammy Jul 2020 #14
--- 15 minutes, just to fill out the envelope. I get that was provisional. 3Hotdogs Jul 2020 #2
Are you saying your vote didn't matter so you trashed it? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #6
My vote didn't matter.... and it was difficult to execute. 3Hotdogs Jul 2020 #16
That's really depressing. You won't do that again in November, right? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #17
I expect to vote in Nov. if for no other reason, marijuana sales. 3Hotdogs Jul 2020 #18
Physical survival might be of interest to you too. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #19
Again, I am in N.J. 3Hotdogs Jul 2020 #20
Thank you for doing your part and educating the voters. SharonClark Jul 2020 #3
we did mail-in ballots hkp11 Jul 2020 #4
Good news for voters - Not so good for our educational system, which is becoming trash Joinfortmill Jul 2020 #5
So in-person voters only get to vote provisionally? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #7
Provisional as opposed to using the machines. no_hypocrisy Jul 2020 #8
You still have the vapor-voting machines? Those are considered the "real" votes? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #9
Reiteration: The reason for mass provisional/absentee voting this election no_hypocrisy Jul 2020 #10
OK I see - similar to here; it's a temporary kludge, using existing "provisional" mechanism. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #12
We need to make voting as easy and accurate as spending money randr Jul 2020 #11
Most people don't know what goes into running an election. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #13
Their confusion is partially due to nervousness FakeNoose Jul 2020 #15

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. New voters. That's excellent. You trained them.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:33 AM
Jul 2020

Come November 3, they’ll know what they are doing, and it won’t take as long. Voting doesn’t come naturally. We all had to learn how to do it.

Thanks for the report.

-Laelth

3Hotdogs

(12,390 posts)
2. --- 15 minutes, just to fill out the envelope. I get that was provisional.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:55 AM
Jul 2020

The regular ballot I received in the mail is also complex, but not as much as the one described by the o.p.

That is why I did not bother to fill it out. I shit-canned it since it didn't matter anyway.

I voted by mail once before when I was going to be in U.K. during an election. I am not sure I correctly filled it out. It involves filling out three forms, one of which is the ballot.


3Hotdogs

(12,390 posts)
20. Again, I am in N.J.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 11:52 PM
Jul 2020

I will vote for Joe. We are an Dem. state. It doesn't matter who I vote for, Joe will win N.J.

That is why I don't even bother to argue with my maggat friends. Regardless of how they vote, Joe will win N.J.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
3. Thank you for doing your part and educating the voters.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:06 AM
Jul 2020

My experience is that people who vote by absentee ballot are initially concerned they may screw it up. I suspect casting a provisional ballot may generate the same concern.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. So in-person voters only get to vote provisionally?
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:44 AM
Jul 2020

In most areas, "provisional" is a euphemism for "pretend."

NJ is so all-in on mail-in ballots that in-person voting is deprecated?

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
8. Provisional as opposed to using the machines.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:47 AM
Jul 2020

Instead of completing the ballot and mailing it, you come to the polls, do the same thing but hand over the sealed envelope to the poll workers. No "pretending". The main reason why some voters came was they lost their mail-in voting package.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. You still have the vapor-voting machines? Those are considered the "real" votes?
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:51 AM
Jul 2020

Haven't those been banned yet? I thought NJ had a Democratic governor and legislature.

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
10. Reiteration: The reason for mass provisional/absentee voting this election
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:56 AM
Jul 2020

was due to the fear of spreading the virus via touch-screen voting.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
12. OK I see - similar to here; it's a temporary kludge, using existing "provisional" mechanism.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jul 2020

Here, the law still says you have to have a damned good excuse for an absentee ballot, but the Governor has issued guidance that you can use the medical excuse if you are worried about COVID. Hopefully we and NJ can clean that up into a clearer system, going forward.

randr

(12,412 posts)
11. We need to make voting as easy and accurate as spending money
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:57 AM
Jul 2020

The fact that we can't, or don't, is proof to me of manipulation.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
13. Most people don't know what goes into running an election.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jul 2020

I deal with the assigning of election workers for the Democratic Party in our county. Then we have to deal with vacancies on Election Day an hour before the polls open when some of the workers don't show up or get sick. Our state the polls open at 6 AM.

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
15. Their confusion is partially due to nervousness
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jul 2020

People don't vote that often. Some only vote once every four years, some hardly ever. Some people are there for the very first time. We all hear a lot of yammering about this candidate or that one, a lot of anger over how voting should be done etc. Those of us who vote all the time - well we aren't nervous or confused, it all just rolls off our backs.

But people who don't pay much attention - probably don't read many newspapers either - those are the Americans who need to be schooled on how easy it is once you get used to doing it. When they realize that some people are trying to confuse them on purpose so they'll give up and not vote - that should make voters even more determined.

I'm glad the poll workers are diligent in helping these voters understand how the process works. Once people understand it, they won't be confused or afraid of it.


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