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denem

(11,045 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 06:38 PM Jul 2020

"There's no coming back for these Lincoln Project motherfuckers."

Last edited Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:43 PM - Edit history (1)



Some of the consultants expressed intense anger for the Never Trump group The Lincoln Project, whose members have been asserting that a Biden victory is the only way to cleanse the GOP of Trumpism. One of them told Miller: “There’s no coming back for these Lincoln Project motherfuckers, it doesn’t matter what is next. They are madder at [Republican senators] than [at] Trump, for sure.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/as-bad-as-it-gets-gop-consultants-have-a-secret-admission-about-trump-and-a-have-a-word-of-warning-to-lincoln-project-republican/

“This is our mission, we said it from the beginning: we’re going to defeat Trump, and Trumpism, and his enablers.”
https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/lincoln-project-takes-aim-at-former-clients-in-new-ad-attacking-gop-senators/
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"There's no coming back for these Lincoln Project motherfuckers." (Original Post) denem Jul 2020 OP
That means their ads are working !!! donkeypoofed Jul 2020 #1
I love that guy* Nevilledog Jul 2020 #2
Yeah, he'd BETTER not go back William Seger Jul 2020 #14
Hopefully that means they switch parties Clash City Rocker Jul 2020 #3
We need two sane political parties, currently only the Democratic Party is sane. Blue_true Jul 2020 #6
All they have committed to at this time denem Jul 2020 #7
We need to have them help us, but not give them blind faith. Blue_true Jul 2020 #10
for right now, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". One eye open, one eye shut. onetexan Jul 2020 #30
Yes to all your points. nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #33
Best case scenario is that Trump shrinks the Republican Party enough to drown it in a bathtub Clash City Rocker Jul 2020 #21
As long as White evangelicals call the Republican Party home, it will never be safe. Blue_true Jul 2020 #23
I long for the day when white evangelicals are a small minority of crazies we can ignore. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #26
Very sound analysis. nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #36
Plus they came from countries that had front row seats to the various wars over religion 47of74 Jul 2020 #53
This is my dream. jorgevlorgan Jul 2020 #32
No, they are still conservatives. Whether they maintain the Republican name Fla Dem Jul 2020 #51
exactly. they are temporary allies stopdiggin Jul 2020 #57
I remember what George Washington said about political parties 47of74 Jul 2020 #60
They know that and yet they did it anyway, which is why I find it amazing HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #4
they can only be Trojan horses stopdiggin Jul 2020 #59
Dunno, I didn't say it. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #61
Seems admirable, courageous, and needed. empedocles Jul 2020 #5
This means it's an all out demolition derby until November 3rd. roamer65 Jul 2020 #8
Game Over! Cha Jul 2020 #41
Credit where credit is due. MFGsunny Jul 2020 #9
That is one excellent article. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2020 #11
Do you mean quote from the article as a post under this OP, or a new OP? MFGsunny Jul 2020 #16
I mean a brand new OP! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2020 #25
I posted it as an OP yesterday morning: highplainsdem Jul 2020 #43
I'm sorry! I missed it too. That will change right now! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2020 #45
That was SO Depressing. qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #17
If our people vote that did not vote in 2016 turn up helpisontheway Jul 2020 #27
Thank you for posting this. Dem2theMax Jul 2020 #28
I'm so happy we have these ruthless mofos on our side. grizzyboy Jul 2020 #12
He said they have some really skeevy sh!t to throw at Traitor Tot. OMGWTF Jul 2020 #15
and the enablers denem Jul 2020 #18
If I were a republican qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #13
Trumpanzees are getting purged and they don't like it DenverJared Jul 2020 #19
They hate 'em. kentuck Jul 2020 #20
Yes Red Mountain Jul 2020 #22
It's as good as it gets. warmfeet Jul 2020 #24
Bull. The guys talking like that will be left pouting while the NeverTrumpers... JHB Jul 2020 #29
I absolutely agree.. choie Jul 2020 #39
+1 This. They equate Reagan & Dubya with Biden in some of their ads. Reagan & Dubya are part of the diva77 Jul 2020 #56
it is largely because of them we even have trump in the first place. jorgevlorgan Jul 2020 #31
Don't. They don't need your money. Give it to people who do. JHB Jul 2020 #46
fine. I'll send it to dan whitfield instead! jorgevlorgan Jul 2020 #47
Yeah--but they scare me. Don't zentrum Jul 2020 #34
They're way too conservative to moonscape Jul 2020 #55
Yup. zentrum Jul 2020 #63
I sincerely hope that the Lincoln Project re-take the GOP Thunderbeast Jul 2020 #35
They're leaving Denial and entering Anger. We may really enjoy it when they get to Bargaining: struggle4progress Jul 2020 #37
Reagan National is renamed for Trump? denem Jul 2020 #38
LOL! TLPMF are helping to save the Planet! Cha Jul 2020 #40
Finished with The Death Star business too, denem Jul 2020 #42
Love the reply from the Hoarse Whisperer: highplainsdem Jul 2020 #44
Brilliant! George II Jul 2020 #49
Rick Wilson is right-wing trash melman Jul 2020 #48
Rick Wilson may be a republican (actually I think he switched to independent, but whatever).... George II Jul 2020 #50
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2020 #52
Wilson is a political assassin, at peace with his nature. denem Jul 2020 #54
Exactly! H2O Man Jul 2020 #62
they need to acknowledge the dominant part talk radio has played in this certainot Jul 2020 #58

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
3. Hopefully that means they switch parties
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jul 2020

And run these sorts of ads for the Democrats for the rest of their lives.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. We need two sane political parties, currently only the Democratic Party is sane.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jul 2020

If the Lincoln Project people want to stay republicans and rid their party of corrosive people, I am ok with that as long as they admit up to their former role empowering the type of people that seized their party.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. We need to have them help us, but not give them blind faith.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

At this type, the people they have issues with are the very same ones that we have issues with, so if they help us get rid of those people, more power to them. We can fight them again on the other side, I am ok with that possibility.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
30. for right now, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". One eye open, one eye shut.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:42 PM
Jul 2020

The fate of this country is at stake. We need the Lincoln Project folks to be on our side. Hopefully they will convince sensible Republicans and Independents to swing their vote our side.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
21. Best case scenario is that Trump shrinks the Republican Party enough to drown it in a bathtub
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jul 2020

And some progressive party takes hold (not the Green Party, someone saner please). The new party and the Democrats become the main US political parties.

It would be better still if the Republican Party becomes that progressive party, going back to their roots. But that seems very unlikely.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. As long as White evangelicals call the Republican Party home, it will never be safe.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:01 PM
Jul 2020

A large percentage of those people are either pure evil, or good people that have been brain washed by the evil ones.

Lonestarblue

(9,994 posts)
26. I long for the day when white evangelicals are a small minority of crazies we can ignore.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jul 2020

Their brand of Christianity is precisely why I think our founders inserted an amendment that we all have a right to freedom from religion. Religious crazies have been around for millennia, and for those same millennia they have tried to control how everyone else behaves while they ignore the very teachings they claim to love. As ever, it’s really just political power they love.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
53. Plus they came from countries that had front row seats to the various wars over religion
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jul 2020

Such as the 30 Years' War, which cost some eight million people their lives. It was started when Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand II decided to impose religious unity and wipe out Protestantism within the Empire, making Catholicism the sole religion in his realm. Needless to say that didn't go too well.

That and other conflicts were a big reason why the founding fathers guaranteed freedom of or from religion in the 1A. They didn't want the US to become a new front in a religious war.

jorgevlorgan

(8,297 posts)
32. This is my dream.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jul 2020

And I dont see at as too remote of a possibility, either. Especially if we can wipe out most or all of the GOP senators up for re election this year.

Fla Dem

(23,673 posts)
51. No, they are still conservatives. Whether they maintain the Republican name
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jul 2020

for their party, or call it something else, like Lincolnonians. Who knows. But they are creating a space for conservative Republicans who are not Trumpians or Trump enablers to reconnect and pursue their agenda without the stain of Trump. They are never going to be Democrats or even unaffiliated Independents. They want a strong conservative party with principles; no Trump, McConnell, Rubio, Nunes, R. Scott, Graham, and others encouraged by Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham. You'll see, next election they'll be supporting a whole cadre of Republicans who never supported Trump.

I appreciate what they've been doing, it shows they have character and values, but they will not become Democrats.

The key is the Democratic Party will need to be ready to oppose them.

stopdiggin

(11,309 posts)
57. exactly. they are temporary allies
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jul 2020

but they are NOT Democrats. They do not support Democratic values and positions (and have never claimed to). And any idea that they will be "joining" us -- is pure delusion. Come 24 -- Joe Biden will be an incompetent wreck and utter failure at the job -- and Nikki Haley will be descending from the heavens on a cloud.

They deserve every bit of praise they can get for attempting (as all other Rs have refused) to address a clear danger to our country. But that's it.

Keep your eye on the ball Democrats!! --- ---

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
60. I remember what George Washington said about political parties
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 04:04 PM
Jul 2020

He was not a fan of them. Just about everything he said has come to pass with today's GOP.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


Democrats have not been perfect about this either but they actually try to govern first and think of party second. After this is all over and the GOP is buried and seen with the same revulsion of the Nazi party, I think the focus has to be on making sure that partisan politics can never again be allowed to poison the well in this country. We have to make sure that people in government service - civil, military, or elective - are duty bound to put the interests of this country first and the party a distant second.

I can remember growing up there were times when Republicans would support Democrats just to keep the Kluxers out of elective office, like when Duke ran in Louisiana. Now the party is the KKK without the sheets.
 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
4. They know that and yet they did it anyway, which is why I find it amazing
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jul 2020

that some folks consider them 'not to be trusted' or 'Trojan horses' or some such.

They had everything to lose by doing what they're doing - and for a lot of them, they've lost it.

stopdiggin

(11,309 posts)
59. they can only be Trojan horses
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jul 2020

if they are allowed through the gates. Why would anyone be inclined to do that? They're not Democrats -- never claimed to be.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. This means it's an all out demolition derby until November 3rd.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:01 PM
Jul 2020

...and Rick Wilson is a 1973 station wagon.

GO RICK!

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,624 posts)
11. That is one excellent article.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jul 2020

I strongly urge you to post it as a separate post, so that it will be read by more of us.

It's VERY good.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
16. Do you mean quote from the article as a post under this OP, or a new OP?
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jul 2020

I agree with you, but am quite illiterate on posting.

Would be very grateful if you could help, given your posting expertise.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,624 posts)
25. I mean a brand new OP!
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jul 2020

Thank you for your kind words!

I may have posted a few articles, over the years.



highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
43. I posted it as an OP yesterday morning:
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213711231


Over a thousand views, 12 replies, 16 recs. I'll agree it deserved more attention.

But DU was very distracted by Mary Trump's book at the time.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
17. That was SO Depressing.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jul 2020

Yes, please post the article as a wake-up call.

It's July and we have four months to go. ANYTHING could happen.

Americans have short memories and are influenced by the almighty dollar. If the economy turns around, people will forget March-May like it never happened, and Trump will be re-elected.

I truly hope that the Lincoln Project ads get uglier over the next four months.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
27. If our people vote that did not vote in 2016 turn up
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jul 2020

How will Trump win? Are people that hate Trump going to all of a sudden change their minds? Are the people that voted in 2018 gonna change their minds? Are all the protesters gonna decide he is not so bad?

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
28. Thank you for posting this.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:23 PM
Jul 2020

It was eye-opening. Mind-numbing, but eye-opening.

I don't know how any of those people can sleep at night.
I think my soul would crawl out of my body if I allowed it to be that ugly.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
18. and the enablers
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:47 PM
Jul 2020

They have said a number times that Biden won't be able to govern if MM is Senate Majority Leader.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
13. If I were a republican
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jul 2020

and I didn't like Trump, I probably would have wanted him impeached. And I probably would not be able to forgive those who stood up for him.

You can be a Republican and still think that treason is going too far.

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
19. Trumpanzees are getting purged and they don't like it
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:47 PM
Jul 2020

If they want to survive in the future of the repuke party, they have to abandon Trump and join TLP to defeat their own.

Red Mountain

(1,733 posts)
22. Yes
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jul 2020

Divide them. The Republican party is dead. There's a wing-nut fantasy party and what used to pass for a loyal opposition.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
24. It's as good as it gets.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jul 2020

Trump supporters have committed suicide. No coming back from this. I am very happy about them not coming back. Not ever.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
29. Bull. The guys talking like that will be left pouting while the NeverTrumpers...
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jul 2020

...get hired by the people who actually pay the bills.

Then "kiss and make up" sessions will dribble out over time, and they'll all be one foul family again.

They're mercenaries, and to the extent they have any principles at all, they're still on the same page.

choie

(4,111 posts)
39. I absolutely agree..
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:38 PM
Jul 2020

while I greatly appreciate what they're doing now and how they're doing it, we shouldn't be so naive as to think they're going to become Democrats after Trump is gone. I believe part of the reason they began this endeavor was to try to take away the stink of having created this monster. Once he's gone, they'll return to being consultants and enablers for the John Kasichs and Mitt Romneys of the world who are no friends to the working class, immigrants or people of color.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
56. +1 This. They equate Reagan & Dubya with Biden in some of their ads. Reagan & Dubya are part of the
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jul 2020

reason we are where we are now.

True, the ads are biting, but TLP are republicans and therefore represent corporations and special interests.

jorgevlorgan

(8,297 posts)
31. it is largely because of them we even have trump in the first place.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jul 2020

So I like that they are directing fire at the right folks right now. I may send them a donation or two.

jorgevlorgan

(8,297 posts)
47. fine. I'll send it to dan whitfield instead!
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:51 PM
Jul 2020
https://danwhitcongress.us/

He has raised 20k to tom cottons several mil and is the only challenger to tom cotton. I'm guessing he can use it.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
34. Yeah--but they scare me. Don't
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jul 2020

…want them in the Democratic Party. Scratch a Republican and you find Saint Reagan. Where so many of our troubles began.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
55. They're way too conservative to
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jul 2020

ever think about joining the Dem party, so rest easy. We can't rest easy when they in time turn their fire back on us. It's inevitable.

Thunderbeast

(3,411 posts)
35. I sincerely hope that the Lincoln Project re-take the GOP
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:16 PM
Jul 2020

This country is stronger and healthier when issues are debated by honest liberals, conservatives, and independents. If the GOP represented views beneficial to the greater good FOR ALL, we can have an honest discussion about free markets vs. regulated capitalism.

We do not have to hate each other to have conversations about the common good. There ARE GOOD PEOPLE who may see common prosperity through a different lens. That's OK.

If reasonable Republicans are able to wrestle control of the party back from the racists and fundamentalists, I will be happy to restore civil debate.

It's a long shot, I know. The big money and zealous propaganda machine are a formidable enemy. We must try, however, to return to comity.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
37. They're leaving Denial and entering Anger. We may really enjoy it when they get to Bargaining:
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jul 2020
How about the confederate statues come down but Reagan National is renamed for Trump?
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
38. Reagan National is renamed for Trump?
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jul 2020

Not going to happen. MF 45 would insist on Trump International, even if was only flying to Virginia.

George II

(67,782 posts)
50. Rick Wilson may be a republican (actually I think he switched to independent, but whatever)....
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 11:25 PM
Jul 2020

....but he's a patriotic, loyal American.

For him, and most of the Lincoln Project people, it's country before party.

That's the way it should be.

H2O Man

(73,543 posts)
52. Recommended.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jul 2020

I respect Rick Wilson. I recognize we have very different political beliefs and values. But he is good at what he does.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
54. Wilson is a political assassin, at peace with his nature.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:01 PM
Jul 2020

He burned his bridges with GOP when joining the campaign to take out Roy Moore, and has never looked back.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
58. they need to acknowledge the dominant part talk radio has played in this
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jul 2020

disaster and at least communicate that importance to democrats, something democrats have little clue on

they know what horse brung trump

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