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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSlavery 101 - Just to clear up a few misconceptions.
Somebody at some point, in some thread that I can't find, stated that slaves were only owned by 3% of all Southerners and were usually well treated. In order to rebut, I needed facts, and by the time I got facts, I couldn't find the thread. So I'm posting this for General Discussion, just in case people need data.
https://www.history.com/news/5-myths-about-slavery
The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned enslaved people. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent of families in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent of families in Arkansas).
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/07/percent-of-whites-owned-slaves/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_slaves_in_the_United_States
The treatment of enslaved people in the United States varied by time and place, but was generally brutal, especially on plantations. Whipping and rape were routine, but usually not in front of white outsiders, or even the plantation owner's family. ("When I whip niggers, I take them out of the sight and hearing of the house, and no one in my family knows it."[1]) An enslaved person could not be a witness against a white; enslaved people were sometimes required to whip other enslaved people, even family members.[2]:54 There were also businesses to which a slave owner could turn over the whipping.[2]:24 Families were often split up by the sale of one or more members. There were some slave owners considered to be kind and relatively enlightened Nat Turner said his master was kind[3] but not on large plantations. Only a small minority of enslaved people received anything resembling decent treatment, and even that could vanish on such occasion as an owner's death. As put by William T. Allan, a slaveowner's abolitionist son who could not safely return to Alabama, "cruelty was the rule, and kindness the exception"
Brutality
According to historians David Brion Davis and Eugene Genovese, treatment of slaves was harsh and inhumane. During work and outside of it, slaves suffered physical abuse, since the government allowed it. Treatment was usually harsher on large plantations, which were often managed by overseers and owned by absentee slaveholders. Small slaveholders worked together with their slaves and sometimes treated them more humanely.[29]
Besides slaves' being vastly overworked, they suffered brandings, shootings, "floggings," and much worse punishments. Flogging was a term often used to describe the average lashing or whipping a slave would receive for misbehaving. Many times a slave would also simply be put through "wanton cruelties" or unprovoked violent beatings or punishments.[30]
Inhumane treatment
After 1820,[31] in response to the inability to legally import new slaves from Africa following prohibition of the international slave trade, some slaveholders improved the living conditions of their slaves, to influence them not to attempt escape.[32]
Some slavery advocates asserted that many slaves were content with their situation. African-American abolitionist J. Sella Martin countered that apparent "contentment" was in fact a psychological defense to dehumanizing brutality of having to bear witness to their spouses being sold at auction and daughters raped.[33] Likewise, Elizabeth Keckley, who grew up a slave in Virginia and became Mary Todd Lincoln's personal modiste, gave an account of what she had witnessed as a child to explain the folly of any claim that the slave was jolly or content. Little Joe, son of the cook, was sold to pay his owner's bad debt:
Joes mother was ordered to dress him in his best Sunday clothes and send him to the house, where he was sold, like the hogs, at so much per pound. When her son started for Petersburgh, ... she pleaded piteously that her boy not be taken from her; but master quieted her by telling that he was going to town with the wagon, and would be back in the morning. Morning came, but little Joe did not return to his mother. Morning after morning passed, and the mother went down to the grave without ever seeing her child again. One day she was whipped for grieving for her lost boy.... Burwell never liked to see his slaves wear a sorrowful face, and those who offended in this way were always punished. Alas! the sunny face of the slave is not always an indication of sunshine in the heart.[34]
How many hours did slaves work?
On a typical plantation, slaves worked ten or more hours a day, "from day clean to first dark," six days a week, with only the Sabbath off. At planting or harvesting time, planters required slaves to stay in the fields 15 or 16 hours a day.
This last article doesn't allow copying, but it is very good, short, to the point. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html
Nevilledog
(51,117 posts)This individual actually said that most slaves were well-treated.
As I said, I had to rebut with facts. You just can't let that kind of shit go un-noticed.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)slave ships. Jeeeez, even if they were treated like royalty after that, it was horrible. Of course, they werent.
Heck, even Thomas Jefferson who talked of freedom and liberty by day went home to beat and rape his slaves.
Nevilledog
(51,117 posts)Any stance other than that is unacceptable.
but there are levels. Not every slaveholding society enslaved children of slaves, many prevented a family from being broken up, many prohibited sale against the slaves will.
In addition it took plantations (tobacco, cotton, sugar) to serve as an impetus to create racism -- which mostly didn't exist before the 16th century. Racism was the only way for slave traders and owners to justify their actions in their heads.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)If being a slave was such a good life, why did so many of them try to escape and why did the masters have such an expensive, elaborate, coordinated system from preventing escapes and bringing fugitives back.
Nevilledog
(51,117 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)If there was such a minority of "bad" masters, why didn't the good ones keep them in line? Such a wonderful, humane system, and the good masters couldn't rein in the bad ones? Instead, the opted to finance a very expensive, sprawling network to capture and return the runaways. Seems their time and money could have been better spent just stopping the bad masters. Were they just stupid, then?
Nevilledog
(51,117 posts)They were just using a system like police departments currently use.
And there was no such thing as a good master. Slavery is bad and nothing justifies it.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Using the circumstantial evidence, these nonsense assertions fall apart until you're left with a brutal, inhumane system that could only be defended by force of arms, and even then couldn't sustain itself.
Karadeniz
(22,528 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Attempt to make slavery palatable by lying and minimizing the suffering of slaves. They are full of shit too.
likesmountains 52
(4,098 posts)It is all about the enslaved and is a very profound and soul shattering experience.
https://www.whitneyplantation.org/
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I need to search this out. My God.
Anybody who thinks that needs to read The Half Has Never Been Told by Edward Baptist.
qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)let me know.
My advanced search timed out. It was some time this month, in General Discussion.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but I see weird ideas about slavery have come up in the past and I've had weird and horrifying discussions where people didn't understand it before. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5505998
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I *love* your IUD comment.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)<3
Merlot
(9,696 posts)by the fact that they are a slave.
unblock
(52,245 posts)Pretty much the same thing when someone says racism no longer exists.
Nevilledog
(51,117 posts)Kanye West...said 400 years of slavery was a choice
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/entertainment/kanye-west-slavery-choice-trnd/index.html
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)He belived that if GA would just legaluze slavery, he could use slaves to work the land. He would then make money to buy more land , then buy more slaves to buy more land ad nauseum
Many students of the history of American christianity do not know this about him
Hexwas a leader of the Great Awakening (that 'brought many souls to Christ') and helped the Wesley brothers establish Methodism
Many do not realize that at least 2 major figures in NE Puritanism/Calvinism, Johathan Edwards and Cotton Mather, owned slaves
Mather --Salem Witch Trials
Edwards famousxsermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God*
*We had to read part of this in HS in the 50s in OK. Didn't sound much different from what you might hear some Sumday in the local SoBaptist church.
Silent3
(15,219 posts)...but as a way to express shock for how so many southerners fought and died in the Civil War for a cause that was, supposedly, not of much direct benefit to themselves, but only for the benefit of wealthy southerners.
Even if that were true, however, it wouldn't have surprised me, because even if many of those Confederate soldiers didn't benefit directly from slavery, we can see today how hard some people will fight just to maintain a position where there's someone else they can look down upon.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Silent3
(15,219 posts)...I was just saying I'd heard the same wrong figure used in a different context than the OP was talking about.
qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)talked about men who ASPIRED to own slaves. As a symbol of status.
Oh, if I just make a bit more money, I can own a slave.
So, clearly, for white people in the 1700-1800's in the South, the idea that an entire group of people are meant to be owned as property is deeply ingrained.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)By its very nature slavery cannot be considered good treatment.
brer cat
(24,574 posts)That anyone would assert that most slaves were well treated is denial to a huge degree.
I always thought that no one in my family were slave owners because they were very poor sharecroppers. A few years ago, one of my cousins was doing research on the family and found that one of our ancestors owned 1 house slave. It was depressing to realize how close to home that came.
Dreampuff
(778 posts)Who brags about the fact that her great-grandfather owned slaves. As The Story Goes On, of course he was very good to his slaves & they didn't want to be away from their masters and they fought right beside the South so they could continue being slaves. Would you like to guess if this person is racist even in this day and age? SMH!!
The church we go to had an excellent 6 week class to educate those who were willing to learn about the horrors of slavery and racism that are still prevalent in this country. It was very enlightening!
qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)He is very wealthy.
I find myself very envious, and uncomfortable about it. It is a reality. It is white privilege on a new level.