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qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 06:59 PM Jul 2020

Slavery 101 - Just to clear up a few misconceptions.

Somebody at some point, in some thread that I can't find, stated that slaves were only owned by 3% of all Southerners and were usually well treated. In order to rebut, I needed facts, and by the time I got facts, I couldn't find the thread. So I'm posting this for General Discussion, just in case people need data.

https://www.history.com/news/5-myths-about-slavery

The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned enslaved people. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent of families in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent of families in Arkansas).




https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/08/07/percent-of-whites-owned-slaves/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_of_slaves_in_the_United_States

The treatment of enslaved people in the United States varied by time and place, but was generally brutal, especially on plantations. Whipping and rape were routine, but usually not in front of white outsiders, or even the plantation owner's family. ("When I whip niggers, I take them out of the sight and hearing of the house, and no one in my family knows it."[1]) An enslaved person could not be a witness against a white; enslaved people were sometimes required to whip other enslaved people, even family members.[2]:54 There were also businesses to which a slave owner could turn over the whipping.[2]:24 Families were often split up by the sale of one or more members. There were some slave owners considered to be kind and relatively enlightened — Nat Turner said his master was kind[3] — but not on large plantations. Only a small minority of enslaved people received anything resembling decent treatment, and even that could vanish on such occasion as an owner's death. As put by William T. Allan, a slaveowner's abolitionist son who could not safely return to Alabama, "cruelty was the rule, and kindness the exception"



Brutality
According to historians David Brion Davis and Eugene Genovese, treatment of slaves was harsh and inhumane. During work and outside of it, slaves suffered physical abuse, since the government allowed it. Treatment was usually harsher on large plantations, which were often managed by overseers and owned by absentee slaveholders. Small slaveholders worked together with their slaves and sometimes treated them more humanely.[29]

Besides slaves' being vastly overworked, they suffered brandings, shootings, "floggings," and much worse punishments. Flogging was a term often used to describe the average lashing or whipping a slave would receive for misbehaving. Many times a slave would also simply be put through "wanton cruelties" or unprovoked violent beatings or punishments.[30]

Inhumane treatment
After 1820,[31] in response to the inability to legally import new slaves from Africa following prohibition of the international slave trade, some slaveholders improved the living conditions of their slaves, to influence them not to attempt escape.[32]

Some slavery advocates asserted that many slaves were content with their situation. African-American abolitionist J. Sella Martin countered that apparent "contentment" was in fact a psychological defense to dehumanizing brutality of having to bear witness to their spouses being sold at auction and daughters raped.[33] Likewise, Elizabeth Keckley, who grew up a slave in Virginia and became Mary Todd Lincoln's personal modiste, gave an account of what she had witnessed as a child to explain the folly of any claim that the slave was jolly or content. Little Joe, son of the cook, was sold to pay his owner's bad debt:

Joe’s mother was ordered to dress him in his best Sunday clothes and send him to the house, where he was sold, like the hogs, at so much per pound. When her son started for Petersburgh, ... she pleaded piteously that her boy not be taken from her; but master quieted her by telling that he was going to town with the wagon, and would be back in the morning. Morning came, but little Joe did not return to his mother. Morning after morning passed, and the mother went down to the grave without ever seeing her child again. One day she was whipped for grieving for her lost boy.... Burwell never liked to see his slaves wear a sorrowful face, and those who offended in this way were always punished. Alas! the sunny face of the slave is not always an indication of sunshine in the heart.[34]



How many hours did slaves work?
On a typical plantation, slaves worked ten or more hours a day, "from day clean to first dark," six days a week, with only the Sabbath off. At planting or harvesting time, planters required slaves to stay in the fields 15 or 16 hours a day.


This last article doesn't allow copying, but it is very good, short, to the point. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html
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Slavery 101 - Just to clear up a few misconceptions. (Original Post) qwlauren35 Jul 2020 OP
The fact there was an argument about how SLAVES were TREATED is disturbing. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #1
Yup. qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #3
I'm glad I can't find the thread... that would be another quick hide for me. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #10
+1. I still gasp for air thinking Howard Zinn's description of slaves crammed into Hoyt Jul 2020 #6
Slavery is wrong. End of discussion. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #11
True Sgent Jul 2020 #25
The short answer, of course gratuitous Jul 2020 #28
Sure they said "A few bad apples. Not all of the masters were bad." Nevilledog Jul 2020 #29
Then why . . . ? gratuitous Jul 2020 #30
But the bad masters would punish the good ones....so they kept quiet. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #31
Sooner or later it gets down to cases gratuitous Jul 2020 #32
Unbelievable that someone here thought there was an acceptable view of slavery! Karadeniz Jul 2020 #2
Racists I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2020 #20
If you're ever in New Orleans area, visit The Whitney Plantation. likesmountains 52 Jul 2020 #4
KnR Hekate Jul 2020 #5
Somebody at DU said that? gollygee Jul 2020 #7
If you find it qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #9
I didn't find it - mine timed out too - gollygee Jul 2020 #15
I wonder if it was this thread but the post got removed gollygee Jul 2020 #19
BTW qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #21
Thank you! gollygee Jul 2020 #22
I think it's great you did this research, but the idea that a slave was well treated is rebutted Merlot Jul 2020 #8
In my experience, whenever someone says slaves were treated well, that person is always white. unblock Jul 2020 #12
Or you could be Kanye West Nevilledog Jul 2020 #27
George Wakefield, revered christian leader. Owned land in GA colony, pushed legalization of slavery bobbieinok Jul 2020 #13
I'd heard that 1.4% figure before, not used as a way to diminish how bad slavery was... Silent3 Jul 2020 #14
It isn't true, though gollygee Jul 2020 #16
Oh, I got the point that the statistic wasn't true... Silent3 Jul 2020 #18
One of the things I read qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #17
I didn't need to read any of that ibegurpard Jul 2020 #23
Good information. I'm just surprised that it was needed here. brer cat Jul 2020 #24
I have an in-law Dreampuff Jul 2020 #26
I know someone who comes from a slave-owning family. qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #33

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
3. Yup.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:06 PM
Jul 2020

This individual actually said that most slaves were well-treated.

As I said, I had to rebut with facts. You just can't let that kind of shit go un-noticed.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. +1. I still gasp for air thinking Howard Zinn's description of slaves crammed into
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:10 PM
Jul 2020

slave ships. Jeeeez, even if they were treated like royalty after that, it was horrible. Of course, they weren’t.

Heck, even Thomas Jefferson — who talked of freedom and liberty by day — went home to beat and rape his slaves.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
25. True
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jul 2020

but there are levels. Not every slaveholding society enslaved children of slaves, many prevented a family from being broken up, many prohibited sale against the slaves will.

In addition it took plantations (tobacco, cotton, sugar) to serve as an impetus to create racism -- which mostly didn't exist before the 16th century. Racism was the only way for slave traders and owners to justify their actions in their heads.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
28. The short answer, of course
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jul 2020

If being a slave was such a good life, why did so many of them try to escape and why did the masters have such an expensive, elaborate, coordinated system from preventing escapes and bringing fugitives back.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
30. Then why . . . ?
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:46 PM
Jul 2020

If there was such a minority of "bad" masters, why didn't the good ones keep them in line? Such a wonderful, humane system, and the good masters couldn't rein in the bad ones? Instead, the opted to finance a very expensive, sprawling network to capture and return the runaways. Seems their time and money could have been better spent just stopping the bad masters. Were they just stupid, then?

Nevilledog

(51,117 posts)
31. But the bad masters would punish the good ones....so they kept quiet.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:49 PM
Jul 2020

They were just using a system like police departments currently use.

And there was no such thing as a good master. Slavery is bad and nothing justifies it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
32. Sooner or later it gets down to cases
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jul 2020

Using the circumstantial evidence, these nonsense assertions fall apart until you're left with a brutal, inhumane system that could only be defended by force of arms, and even then couldn't sustain itself.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
20. Racists
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jul 2020

Attempt to make slavery palatable by lying and minimizing the suffering of slaves. They are full of shit too.

likesmountains 52

(4,098 posts)
4. If you're ever in New Orleans area, visit The Whitney Plantation.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:08 PM
Jul 2020

It is all about the enslaved and is a very profound and soul shattering experience.
https://www.whitneyplantation.org/

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. Somebody at DU said that?
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:11 PM
Jul 2020

I need to search this out. My God.

Anybody who thinks that needs to read The Half Has Never Been Told by Edward Baptist.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
9. If you find it
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jul 2020

let me know.

My advanced search timed out. It was some time this month, in General Discussion.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
15. I didn't find it - mine timed out too -
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jul 2020

but I see weird ideas about slavery have come up in the past and I've had weird and horrifying discussions where people didn't understand it before. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5505998

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
8. I think it's great you did this research, but the idea that a slave was well treated is rebutted
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:11 PM
Jul 2020

by the fact that they are a slave.

unblock

(52,245 posts)
12. In my experience, whenever someone says slaves were treated well, that person is always white.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jul 2020

Pretty much the same thing when someone says racism no longer exists.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
13. George Wakefield, revered christian leader. Owned land in GA colony, pushed legalization of slavery
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jul 2020

He belived that if GA would just legaluze slavery, he could use slaves to work the land. He would then make money to buy more land , then buy more slaves to buy more land ad nauseum

Many students of the history of American christianity do not know this about him

Hexwas a leader of the Great Awakening (that 'brought many souls to Christ') and helped the Wesley brothers establish Methodism

Many do not realize that at least 2 major figures in NE Puritanism/Calvinism, Johathan Edwards and Cotton Mather, owned slaves

Mather --Salem Witch Trials
Edwards famousxsermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God*

*We had to read part of this in HS in the 50s in OK. Didn't sound much different from what you might hear some Sumday in the local SoBaptist church.

Silent3

(15,219 posts)
14. I'd heard that 1.4% figure before, not used as a way to diminish how bad slavery was...
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:22 PM
Jul 2020

...but as a way to express shock for how so many southerners fought and died in the Civil War for a cause that was, supposedly, not of much direct benefit to themselves, but only for the benefit of wealthy southerners.

Even if that were true, however, it wouldn't have surprised me, because even if many of those Confederate soldiers didn't benefit directly from slavery, we can see today how hard some people will fight just to maintain a position where there's someone else they can look down upon.

Silent3

(15,219 posts)
18. Oh, I got the point that the statistic wasn't true...
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jul 2020

...I was just saying I'd heard the same wrong figure used in a different context than the OP was talking about.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
17. One of the things I read
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jul 2020

talked about men who ASPIRED to own slaves. As a symbol of status.

Oh, if I just make a bit more money, I can own a slave.

So, clearly, for white people in the 1700-1800's in the South, the idea that an entire group of people are meant to be owned as property is deeply ingrained.

brer cat

(24,574 posts)
24. Good information. I'm just surprised that it was needed here.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jul 2020

That anyone would assert that most slaves were well treated is denial to a huge degree.

I always thought that no one in my family were slave owners because they were very poor sharecroppers. A few years ago, one of my cousins was doing research on the family and found that one of our ancestors owned 1 house slave. It was depressing to realize how close to home that came.

Dreampuff

(778 posts)
26. I have an in-law
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jul 2020

Who brags about the fact that her great-grandfather owned slaves. As The Story Goes On, of course he was very good to his slaves & they didn't want to be away from their masters and they fought right beside the South so they could continue being slaves. Would you like to guess if this person is racist even in this day and age? SMH!!

The church we go to had an excellent 6 week class to educate those who were willing to learn about the horrors of slavery and racism that are still prevalent in this country. It was very enlightening!

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
33. I know someone who comes from a slave-owning family.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jul 2020

He is very wealthy.

I find myself very envious, and uncomfortable about it. It is a reality. It is white privilege on a new level.

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