I saw Stacey Abrahms on the View today and was very impressed!

[CTyankee]

Megan made a stupid remark and Stacey put her right in her place. Honestly, Megan, try to keep up! Your stupid attacks doesn't reflect well on your late Dad.

I shudder think what the Trumpshits will come up with to attack her, but she is too damn smart for them. But I definitely think she is a SERIOUS contender for Biden's running mate!

[left-of-center2012]

1. She's one of many

But in my personal opinion there are better qualified with national and international experience.

[bobbieinok]

3. What

Abrahms is a fighter! That's her major asset.

[left-of-center2012]

8. Biden said ...

He wants a VP with the experience who can step in at moment's notice to become president.

Does Abrahms have national and international experience?

[Trumpocalypse]

18. Every nominee says that.

Big deal.

[left-of-center2012]

22. Thanks for the laugh

[Trumpocalypse]

25. Laugh all you like

But it's the truth. No nominee has ever said different.

[left-of-center2012]

27. okie dokie smokie

[Trumpocalypse]

29. Buh-bye

[Trumpocalypse]

17. Experience doesn't matter in elections

if it did Trump wouldn't be president.

The only thing that matters is does the VP pick give the ticket a better chance to win the election.

[Doremus]

26. You're using Trump as an example of the reasons we don't need experience in a candidate?

You wanna maybe rethink that? lol

Point is this: we've learned from Trump that experience does indeed matter. We're fortunate to have a number of highly qualified VP candidates to choose from. It behooves us to choose one with experience, lots and lots of experience.

[Trumpocalypse]

28. OK How about

Obama who was less experienced than McCain.
W who was less experienced that Gore.
Clinton who was less experienced that Bush.
JFK who was less experienced than Nixon.
Lincoln who was less experienced than Douglas.

Experience doesn't matter in elections and never has.

[Doremus]

32. And they all had more experience

than Stacey Abrams.

Look, if we didn't have a wealth of awesome candidates to choose from, I'd be touting Ms. Abrams too. She's intelligent and capable. She's a very talented campaigner. Is she ready from day one to step into the president's shoes? Unfortunately, no.

[Trumpocalypse]

35. But still had less experience than their opponents

Which shows that experience doesn’t matter in presidential elections. The only consideration is who puts the ticket in the best position to win because if they don’t win everything else is irrelevant.

[Doremus]

43. Okay, sure.

If your only consideration is who can win a campaign, who among the candidates has won more campaigns? Again, I don't think it's Stacey.

[Trumpocalypse]

46. Past performance isn't a measure of future success

Never has been. Every election is different.

[LanternWaste]

52. If every election is different...

then it follows this election may be predicated in part, on experience...

[Trumpocalypse]

54. Every election is different

as far as the rest, time will tell.

[LanternWaste]

51. Now you're simply moving the goalposts of your original premise...

and fail to provide any objective evidence to support either of them.

[Trumpocalypse]

55. Not moving anything

History has shown that experience doesn’t matter in elections.

[chillfactor]

2. Sfacey is and always has been

my favorite!

[Demonaut]

4. she might be a little green but I know she's a quick learner, for me, she qualified!

[Merlot]

5. Stacy Abrams never fails to impress! She'll have a very prominent position in the Biden

Cabinet should he win. I think she'd make a great VP, but she doesn't have the track record yet.

[CatWoman]

6. at the 19 or so minute mark

Stacey shredded her ignorant ass

[OnDoutside]

15. I wish I was as articulate as Stacey, she would make a fantastic VP for Joe.

[Dreampuff]

7. She would be an excellent choice

Val Deming is another excellent candidate.

[edhopper]

9. I like her a lot

She'd be Governor if Kemp didn't cheat. But only holding a State legislative office might not be enough for a VP slot.

[CTyankee]

10. And that is exactly what stops me from whole hearted support (altho desperate times, etc...)

and that is why I go back to Susan Rice. I will say again: you can "see" Rice taking over if something happened to Biden. Plus, she reminds us of the good years, when Obama was president. This more than makes up for the "what states does she bring" argument against her.

Every day brings "fresh hell" with DJT. A Biden-Rice ticket would have a calming, steady effect...

[edhopper]

11. Agree

I like Harris too. She would be great in the campaign.

[CTyankee]

31. Yes, Harris but in a more pizzazzy (is that a word?) way.

Is that what we need now? And I mean to ask it, cuz I really don't know.

Rice is the real deal without the pizazz. Will that work better or do we need Kamala's "go and get 'em style"?. I wish I knew...

[OnDoutside]

16. I think Rice would be fantastic, but it's not the "states" issue for me, it's it would breathe new

life into the Benghazi Republican bullshit. The Republicans are killing themselves at the moment, so i don't want anything to give them something to hang on to.

[coti]

12. She's likely the best VP candidate that's been brought up nt

[OnDoutside]

13. I've been saying Abrams since last July. I haven't seen any other to make me change my mind.

[aikoaiko]

14. Like most VP contenders she has pluses and minuses.

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First, let me say that I live in GA and voted for in the primary and gubernatorial election. I've met her twice briefly.

On the positive side:
She is super smart and can lay down the truth hard. She's actually improved over the last three years.

I can't speak for Black women, but I would imagine they see someone like them when they see and hear her.

She can campaign hard.

She is a solid Democrat of the mainstream variety and can work across the aisle.

Her presence on the ticket could win one or two southern states. GA is one of them and its on the polling fence as of today.

On the negatives, she lost two big elections. I know that may sound harsh, but that's how I see it.

The first was the battle for governor. Yes, Kemp cheated, but that doesn't mean she still had the votes. Scrubbing voter rolls and disqualifying signatures was baked-in known problems. She had the anti-trump momentum at her back that swept in so many other Democrats. She lost.

More importantly, the run-off battle for GA SOS after the gubernatorial election was a referendum on Kemp and his voter suppression tactics. This was a time to really flex her muscle, motivate Democrats to turn out, and win that election. She lost.

And then there is the debt thing -- at the time she was $200,000 in debt with credit card, student loans, and IRS taxes. She not alone with such debt, but it was a cloud hanging over her during the election. I hope she is able to pay it off.


Having said all that, I would happily support Stacey as VP. A couple of weeks ago she said Biden hadn't reached out to her and frankly I think Biden owes her an interview for dropping her name as a VP early on in the primary.


eta: it looks like she settled all her debt. Good for Stacey!
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/444112-stacey-abrams-settles-her-irs-debt

[OnDoutside]

21. She settled the IRS debt and has a new book out, so I doubt she's in the red at this point.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/444112-stacey-abrams-settles-her-irs-debt

[aikoaiko]

23. That's good news.

eta: I just read the article and it looks like she settled all her debt.

A spokesperson for Abrams told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday that Abrams settled the approximately $54,000 she owed the federal agency as well as separate credit card and student loan debt.

Freeeeeeedom!

[Trumpocalypse]

19. The real questions to ask are

Can she help to flip any swing states? Not sure of Georgia is flipable.

Will she excite African Americans? Probably.

Will she attract more progressive to the ticket? Not sure, maybe?

[tritsofme]

20. I don't think she is under serious consideration. She has a future in politics, just not as Biden's

running mate. He has indicated he wants a VP who is ready to be president on day one, and that rules Abrams out.

I continue to believe that Harris and Duckworth are the strongest candidates.

[left-of-center2012]

24. "He has indicated he wants a VP who is ready to be president on day one, and that rules Abrams out."

Exactly !

And that's what we all should want.

[Trumpocalypse]

30. Experience doesn't matter in presidential elections

and never has. And every nominee says their VP is ready to be President, so nothing new there.

[tritsofme]

33. You can repeat this as many times you like, it doesn't make the issue disappear.

Joe Biden is trying be the oldest man ever to become president, having a vice president who is prepared to take over on day one is not just important to voters, but to Biden himself.

All indications show that Abrams is not in the running today, if she ever really was.

[Trumpocalypse]

34. At least I'm not repeating a GOP talking point

that will only help Trump.

[tritsofme]

36. Nonsense, reality is not a GOP talking point.

[Trumpocalypse]

37. Anything that questions Biden's fitness for office

is a GOP talking point.

[tritsofme]

38. Again, nonsense. We live in a reality based community, and strategize accordingly.

[Trumpocalypse]

39. Strategy is one thing

but giving credibility to a GOP talking point is another. We all have a choice to make. We can either try to win the election and call out GOP talking points or pretend something is reality so we can feel good about ourselves. I chose to try to win the election.

[tritsofme]

41. I'm not the one trying to play pretend.

Joe Biden will be the oldest man elected president, full stop. This is just a fact, and history will record it as an important variable in his campaign and presidency.

I have no idea what this nonsense about “feeling good about ourselves” is supposed to mean.

Biden’s age is not something to be ashamed of, and voters clearly don’t view it as disqualifying, however it is a nagging concern for many. Addressing that concern, even implicitly, through selecting a VP who is ready to be president on day one, can only give confidence to voters worried about Biden’s age.

However completely ignoring the issue and pretending it is not a factor would be political malpractice, thankfully the Biden team doesn’t seem to be taking this approach.

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Again I chose to try to win the election

Anything that gives credibility to the GOP talking point about Biden’s fitness only helps Trump. That is reality.

It’s also reality that experience has never mattered in elections. If it did Trump wouldn’t be President.

[tritsofme]

45. Advocating for any VP candidate who is not a credible day one president

Is not trying to win the election, it is trying to lose it, no matter how pure you imagine your intentions to be.

Every candidate and cycle has different dynamics. Among many factors, Obama chose Biden for his experience, especially in foreign policy.

Biden’s age is not an invention of the GOP, this is just silliness, he does face unique challenges as a candidate, that he can address and put the issue to bed by choosing a VP who will be a credible day one president.

This is already the publicly stated goal of the Biden campaign, I’m not sure why you are so hostile to it.

[Trumpocalypse]

47. I'm not advocating for any particular candidate

But experience simply doesn’t matter in elections. People don’t vote the same way they hire a plumber. There are numerous examples throughout history where the less experienced candidate won the election.

Every nominee and campaign says that the VP pick is ready to be President on day one. So there is nothing new in that. And the Biden campaign does not ever mention anything about his fitness for office other than to denounce GOP talking points.

As I said, we all have choice. We can either try to win the election and denounce GOP talking points or we can give them credibility by pretending to be a ‘defender of reality’ to feel good about ourselves. I chose to win the election.

[tritsofme]

48. Again, this is just a nonsense take.

Discussing facts and strategizing accordingly is not giving credence to “GOP talking points” or whatever this silly “feeling good about ourselves” talking point of yours is, it’s just smart politics.

[Trumpocalypse]

49. No it's not

Giving credibility to a GOP talking point is not discussing facts.

[tritsofme]

50. Biden's age is not a talking point, it's just based on when he was born.

You seem inexplicably in denial that anyone but Republicans could possibly be concerned about Biden’s age. This sort of head-in-sand mentality makes no sense and is dangerous.

Picking a VP who is prepared to be president on day one gives confidence and implicitly addresses the concerns of these voters, going with a more risky pick could only exacerbate them. I’d like Biden to win, how about you?

[Trumpocalypse]

53. Yes it is

Stop giving a GOP talking point credibility.

[tritsofme]

56. Stop trying to handicap Biden's campaign with denial.

[Trumpocalypse]

57. Calling out a GOP talking point is not denial

pretending that it isn't a GOP talking point is.

[tritsofme]

58. Again, your frame is absolute nonsense.

But please, keep your head in the sand, I don’t particularly care.

[Trumpocalypse]

59. Again I'm trying to win an election

And calling out a GOP talking point is part of that. Sorry if that make anyone uncomfortable.

[tritsofme]

60. Yes, you do keep claiming that. But meeting a legitimate concern of important voters with denial

is a good way to lose an election.

I already addressed how Biden can address these voters concern in his VP selection, and become a stronger candidate in the process.

What makes me uncomfortable is your insistence on a losing strategy.

[Trumpocalypse]

61. It's not a legitimate concern

It’s a GOP talking point which I refuse to give any credibility to. Biden is perfectly fit to be President and serve his full term, maybe two. Saying anything else just helps Trump.

And the best VP choice is who will help win the election by helping in swing states, attracting more progressive voters and exciting African American turnout. I don’t pretend to know who that is but I won’t rule anyone out because of a BS GOP talking point.

[tritsofme]

62. Saying it's not a concern doesn't make it so.

I have no doubt that Biden is fit to serve, at the same, voters understand mortality tables are what they are. With the next president guaranteed to be a septuagenarian, the risk will necessarily be elevated relative to the historical norm.

Regardless, the point is likely moot as Biden has already announced he wants a candidate who can be president on day one (despite your desire to explain the statement away) and he is not even seriously vetting riskier candidates like Abrams. I’m confident Biden’s choice will meet his publicly stated test and that he will present an extremely strong ticket to voters in the fall.

[Trumpocalypse]

63. It's a GOP talking point

We shouldn’t be giving it any credibility.

And every nominee says their chosen running mate is qualified to be President, so that’s nothing new.

[tritsofme]

64. Again, that remains nonsense.

I have no reason to believe Biden did not mean what he said, deciding against a formal vetting for someone like Abrams is further evidence that this is important to his decision, whether or not this make Biden guilty of embracing “GOP talking points”

[Trumpocalypse]

65. Not what Biden said so don't twist it

Biden said what every nominee says about their VP pick. It’s nothing new or unique, stop pretending that it is. That’s nonsense.

[IcyPeas]

40. on a lighter funnier note..... she writes Romance Novels too

she has a great sense of humor. She was on the NPR quiz show "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" a couple of years ago and she was extremely funny and has a quick wit. I love someone with a sense of humor. I think it takes intelligence to be funny. If you would like to listen to her:

Did you know, for instance, she writes Romance Novels under a pseudonym?

When Abrams isn't busy doing things like delivering national speeches and running for office, she's also a romance writer — under the pen name Selena Montgomery. So we've decided to quiz her on bromance, the love that dare not speak its name, but rather, shouts it at frat parties.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/09/692760758/not-my-job-we-quiz-georgia-politician-stacey-abrams-on-bromances

[octoberlib]

44. I like her. I like all the women on Joe's list but am partial to Kamala.