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Jeebo

(2,025 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 09:52 PM Jul 2020

Keeping things tied up in the courts interminably...

...is how the orange con man continues to get away with EVERYTHING. Now that's what's happening again.

In January 2021 President Biden and his newly elected Democratic Senate and House need to pass legislation to keep any president from ever getting away with this again.

-- Ron

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Keeping things tied up in the courts interminably... (Original Post) Jeebo Jul 2020 OP
knr triron Jul 2020 #1
He has been doing it his whole life... BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #2
Yep, it's his business model. Liberal In Texas Jul 2020 #8
K&R, that's the kink in the constitution; the courts CAN take their time deciding cases and no law uponit7771 Jul 2020 #3
It took us three years just for the prosecutor to get permission to look at prospective evidence. Midnight Writer Jul 2020 #4
Neil Katyal doesn't think so: The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #5
I was very disappointed that Rachel didn't have Neal on her show. WTF!? triron Jul 2020 #7
He was just on LO'D's program, though. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #9
Not going to happen. former9thward Jul 2020 #6
I understand it's a double-edged sword, BUT... Jeebo Jul 2020 #11
An aside of sorts. Not just the orange con man. That's what a KPN Jul 2020 #10

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
2. He has been doing it his whole life...
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:04 PM
Jul 2020

Roy Cohn probably taught him how to do this along with his psycho Daddy Fred.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
3. K&R, that's the kink in the constitution; the courts CAN take their time deciding cases and no law
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jul 2020

... makes them hurry the hell up.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
4. It took us three years just for the prosecutor to get permission to look at prospective evidence.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jul 2020

We need a way to fast track these cases through the courts.

We could lose our Democracy while lawyers fritter.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
5. Neil Katyal doesn't think so:
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jul 2020
The cases decided Thursday stemmed from investigations into Trump by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. and by the House of Representatives. Vance had the best day at the court he could possibly have had: The only issue in his case, whether Trump as a sitting president is wholly shielded from Vance’s investigation, was rejected by the court — full stop. Along the way, all nine justices rejected Trump’s main argument: that the Constitution offers a sitting president an impenetrable shield from state investigators. Yes, there are more arguments to be made back in the lower courts, but that was always going to be the case. This was a clean and total win for Vance and a devastating loss for Trump, not just of the case but of his anti-democratic conception of the American presidency....

All of that raises the question: what now? Judges should ensure that these cases move quickly back in the lower courts. The big question has now been answered by the nation’s highest court: There is no wholesale shield available to Trump. The questions left are comparative smaller ones. Indeed, in the Vance case, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.’s majority opinion specifies exactly what those questions are, such as whether the particular subpoena issued by Vance is overly broad, issued in bad faith or in some subpoena-specific way unconstitutional; and it’s now a responsibility of the lower courts to hear arguments on them, then rule, swiftly. Even in the House cases, all that’s left is for lower courts to apply a standard that’s now been clearly articulated by the Supreme Court. The end result, the ruling seems to make clear, should be that the House gets at least some of the financial records it’s seeking.

The trial judge in the Vance case, Victor Marrero, has already proved he can move fast — Trump filed his last complaint about Vance’s subpoena Sept. 19, 2019, and Marrero rejected it in an exhaustive opinion just three weeks later. Given the thinness of the remaining arguments, this round should move even more quickly. And in all of these cases, the Supreme Court would be within its traditional role to stay out going forward, which means there needn’t be lengthy appeals all the way back to the justices: They have answered the hard questions, and now the lower courts should be left to fill in the easier gaps left. The grand jury process could also move very fast — the information can be delivered to the grand jury with action on indictments very quickly, even in a matter of days or weeks, not months. In Watergate, the time from the break-in to the first grand jury indictment was just three months; in Iran-contra, it was four months from the U.S. Customs information being received to indictment; and in Enron, it was four months from bankruptcy to Arthur Andersen’s indictment. The federal courts resolved all of President Richard Nixon’s subpoena challenges within a few months, and they resolved the 2000 election within 36 days. The Vance case has already dragged on for years, but now, because of the Supreme Court’s decision, it can and should move very fast. With a looming election, the need to move quickly rather than at Trump’s preferred “all deliberate speed” is overwhelming. The American people shouldn’t have to vote for someone who very well may be indicted and face criminal process right after the election....

And that’s just about the election. Whatever the particular timing, Trump’s bad day at the court Thursday is an omen of even worse days ahead for him personally. In New York, Vance and his team of state prosecutors have more arguments they must make in the lower courts to obtain Trump’s financial records, but in the end, they should be getting the papers — and their overall investigation is moving forward. In Washington, the House will need to describe to lower courts its justification for seeking Trump’s records based on the court’s newly articulated standard, but in the end at least some of the House committees will meet that standard for at least some of the records — easily...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/09/trump-loses-supreme-court/

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
6. Not going to happen.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:30 PM
Jul 2020

If Biden wins, and House and Senate are D, this matter will quickly be forgotten. Democrats know the Vance decision can allow Republican DAs to tie up Democratic presidents in knots by making one subpoena request after another.

Jeebo

(2,025 posts)
11. I understand it's a double-edged sword, BUT...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 12:59 AM
Jul 2020

...this kind of corruption is something I don't want ANY president to get away with, Republican or Democratic.

-- Ron

KPN

(15,646 posts)
10. An aside of sorts. Not just the orange con man. That's what a
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jul 2020

lot of the money ones do. It works.

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