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brush

(53,791 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 01:14 AM Jul 2020

Leave it to uncle tom...er, ah...Justice Clarence Thomas...

who sided along with Justice Alito that trump alone of all citizens was not subject to a Congressional subpoena for the Court's reaffirmation of the principle that no man is above the law—only until new Congressional guidelines are set first which will of course take months.

Everybody but trump thanks to those two, and again, the luckiest, dumb motherf_cker ever skates again and his income tax returns won't come out before the election.

They will come out though, after he loses in Nov., or maybe before if Manhattan DA Vance, not hampered by Congressional guidelines, maneuvers fast enough legally to get them.

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OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
1. There's talk that the two of them may retire if Trump loses, so McConnell can appoint replacements i
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jul 2020

the lame duck session.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
3. Wouldn't that violate the 'McConnell rule'
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 01:21 AM
Jul 2020

that said 'we must wait for the people to speak in an election year?'

If the people speak and elect Biden then he should be the one to fill any vacancies.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
7. And I will DEMAND that Biden nominate 3 additional justices to the court!
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 01:27 AM
Jul 2020

1 to replace the seat that MoscowMitch stole last time, and 2 more to cover the retiring jackasses!
Time to dish it right back to these thugs.

ArcticE

(30 posts)
9. Agree with your sentiment. Not sure "Uncle Tom" is the right choice of term.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:02 AM
Jul 2020

Recently I started doing a little research into the usage of the word "Uncle Tom". I read Harriet Beecher Stowe's book about 37 years ago and needed to refresh my knowledge after hearing an NPR story on the term. Here is a partial transcript of that discussion:


MARTIN: What is it that African-Americans hate about this story?

Prof. TURNER: Many African-Americans don't hate the real story that Stowe wrote. The Uncle Tom character that she gives us is extraordinarily Christian. The climax of the story really comes when Uncle Tom is asked to reveal where two slave women are hiding, who had been sexually abused by their master. And he refuses. Knowing that he is going to be beaten to death, he refused to say where they are. And African-Americans who have read the novel can appreciate what kind of heroism that took for a black man to sign away his life to save two black women.

Unfortunately, the stage depictions don't include that part of the story. They grossly distort Uncle Tom into an older man than he is in the novel, a man whose English is poor, a man who will do quite the opposite, who will sell out any black man if it will curry the favor of a white employer, a white master, a white mistress. It's that distorted character that is so objectionable to African-Americans.

MARTIN: How did that happen? It is quite remarkable that this is a book which was intended to, and in many ways succeeded in revealing to people who were not aware or chose not to pay attention to the horrors of slavery, I mean, the unimaginable brutality, the exploitation of women, the physical violence, all of that. It was meant to reveal this, and somehow or other this character, who is meant to be very brave and an example of, you know, Christian forbearance, turned into this - the sell-out. How did that happen?

Prof. TURNER: The producers of the early stage shows didn't think that they could attract an audience for the Uncle Tom as he was depicted by Stowe. They couldn't sell tickets to a theatrical production, the climax which would have been this man dying, rather than the revealing the whereabouts of these women.

They could sell tickets, as they had been successful by showing blacks in minstrel depictions, showing them liking to dance more than they liked to work, showing their insensitivity to each other, showing their willingness to tell the master or mistress what he or she wanted to hear. That sold tickets, and so those were the shows that they produced, staged and circulated throughout the world.


I continued to do additional research and have been reminded that just as the narrative about many of our "founding fathers" and Confederate statues can be traced back to a rewriting of history, this may very well be the case with terms like "Uncle Tom". I have NOT come to an absolute conclusion on how I feel about this term as I have discovered it has a complex meaning to many people and not all people are in agreement as to what Uncle Tom represents to them. I would recommend doing some independent research on your own to see if it is really the term you choose to use in these types of scenarios. ****caveat. I would provide additional links, but I think this is like my 9th posting on DU and I don't want to overly hijack your thread. I do think I will continue to research the usage of the phrase, however, because for now it is not a term I am comfortable using. Very best to you.

brush

(53,791 posts)
10. All well and good but trust me, I use it how we (black people) use it.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:05 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Fri Jul 10, 2020, 03:09 AM - Edit history (1)

Go to hood and find out.

ArcticE

(30 posts)
11. I'm not in a position to argue with you.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 02:37 AM
Jul 2020

I appreciate your reply. As I mentioned, for NOW, it is not a term I am comfortable using. I'm trying to re-evaluate my language and my use of colloguial terms and phrases. I have discovered that there are differing opinions from very educated and well-read people about what "Uncle Tom" represents to them. I understand that the term is used frequently to mean a form of "traitor" or "coward". I am just not sure I want to use the phrase if it was hijacked by angry Southerners who wanted to rewrite history. Additionally, I'm a white guy. Here is a link to a Washington Post article entitled "Dear White People: Stop using the term "Uncle Tom".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/dear-white-people-stop-using-the-term-uncle-tom/2018/11/15/8a68e9c0-e84e-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html


I still don't have enough knowledge or understanding to tell someone else how they should use and interpret the term. I think we could probably both agree, however, that if over the next hundred years "An Malcolm X" or "An Angela Davis" became used as a slur we would want people to truly know who these people were and what they stood for.

I appreciate your opinion and if you have more to share, I'm all ears.

brush

(53,791 posts)
13. With all due respect, no one asked you to use it...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 03:08 AM
Jul 2020

or how to use it.

You do need to do more localized research though.

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