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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:05 PM Jul 2020

Trump, not his doctor, wrote glowing 2015 letter on his health, physician now says

Harold Bornstein, who was Donald Trump's personal doctor for decades, acknowledges that his over-the-top statement about Trump's health in 2015 was not written by him — but by the then-presidential candidate.

Bornstein's admission to CNN on Tuesday comes as he also said publicly for the first time to NBC News that Trump's one-time bodyguard and two others "raided" his office in New York last year and took all his medical files on the president.

It was a sudden return to public view for the New York doctor, notable for his shoulder-length hair and round eyeglasses, who first surfaced in December 2015 with his hyperbolic description of Trump's health during the presidential campaign.

Among the key passages in a letter Bornstein provided the news media three years ago: "His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary. If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-not-doctor-wrote-glowing-185736900.html

Surprise surprise.

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Trump, not his doctor, wrote glowing 2015 letter on his health, physician now says (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2020 OP
Figures ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #1
Hardly a surprise. All the language in that letter was pure Trump. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #23
Yep! ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #29
Isn't that like fraud or something? AleksS Jul 2020 #2
i don't see how it's actually illegal in any real way. unblock Jul 2020 #10
I doubt it genxlib Jul 2020 #15
No, but stealing medical records is illegal. tinrobot Jul 2020 #25
Don't medical records belong to the patient? PJMcK Jul 2020 #31
The word "raided" does not imply asking nicely for his records. tinrobot Jul 2020 #43
Fair enough PJMcK Jul 2020 #44
Whom did he defraud? Mariana Jul 2020 #40
Not much of a surprise. Need to check with my right wing doctor acquaintance and see what he thinks. Hoyt Jul 2020 #3
Bwahahaha Nevilledog Jul 2020 #4
David Dennison sang Trump's praises. sarcasmo Jul 2020 #5
He signed it. Why? And should he not be held to account as a Dr? JDC Jul 2020 #6
did he sign it? unblock Jul 2020 #11
I thought he had, but good point. I should verify. JDC Jul 2020 #12
Looks like a signature JDC Jul 2020 #14
unless someone can attest to studying the original, it could be a cut and paste job. unblock Jul 2020 #16
Looks like some idiot just signed it MD... ARPad95 Jul 2020 #30
It really does, doesn't it. Lol. JDC Jul 2020 #45
Another indicator of Trump's waning influence gratuitous Jul 2020 #7
Yep. Scurrilous Jul 2020 #47
We pretty much knew it back then. LisaL Jul 2020 #8
To be fair, perhaps John Barron wrote it. yellowcanine Jul 2020 #9
Or Michael Cohen Mike 03 Jul 2020 #13
Sarah Sanders called it "standard operating procedure" dalton99a Jul 2020 #17
*cough*bullshit*cough* Nevilledog Jul 2020 #19
I hope you were wearing a mask when you posted that lame54 Jul 2020 #21
Fuck Nevilledog Jul 2020 #22
Took the records of visits when Trump would use a pseudonym? yardwork Jul 2020 #26
trump is among the most fucked up people to walk this earth spanone Jul 2020 #18
One of those Rumsfeld Known Unknowns lame54 Jul 2020 #20
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2020 #48
Not surprising other than the doc's complicity. Hope the Dems address this and tax returns when... dutch777 Jul 2020 #24
It was obvious to me. Had all the hallmarks of Trump's lexicon (choice of words) no_hypocrisy Jul 2020 #27
Last year they raided the office? stillcool Jul 2020 #28
That was obvious nt doc03 Jul 2020 #32
Didn't he say this years ago? StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #33
yes he did SoonerPride Jul 2020 #35
Yes. This is supposedly an "updated" version of a 2018 story but I don't see what's new in it. n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #39
Gee, I wonder if his height and weight is made up too? unitedwethrive Jul 2020 #34
Old news. This was reported quite some time ago. Still should be spread far and wide. rickford66 Jul 2020 #36
I bet he has a copy of the records somewhere. I know I would. Buckeyeblue Jul 2020 #37
Hope this clown doesn't "treat" any Medicare patients. Dave Starsky Jul 2020 #38
Has the AMA commented? moondust Jul 2020 #41
Shame on that doctor RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2020 #42
Trump is the biggest monster created from the Reagan Revolution DSandra Jul 2020 #46
"My lab coat is how come you know you I'm a doctor!" struggle4progress Jul 2020 #49
This is news? misanthrope Jul 2020 #50

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. Hardly a surprise. All the language in that letter was pure Trump.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jul 2020

I concluded that the second I saw it.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
2. Isn't that like fraud or something?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jul 2020

Isn’t that some sort of fraud, especially since it was used to campaign?

unblock

(52,253 posts)
10. i don't see how it's actually illegal in any real way.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:19 PM
Jul 2020

people are allowed to lie about their health or doctor's visits, and this is sometimes legitimate and important, e.g., for a minor to conceal sexual activity from abusive parents.

generally, the doctor is barred by hipaa (privacy law) from disclosing medical information without a proper release from the patient, and if anything, they probably got him to sign an nda agreeing to *not* disclose anything medical.

he probably would have been free to disclose that he didn't write the letter, but then wouldn't be able to answer any of the obvious follow-ups. the most he could say was that he didn't write it but he can't confirm or deny if it's accurate.


in theory the doctor could sue for damages if his business or reputation was damaged, but it's not clear if that's the case and it might be hard to tie it specifically to the letter. hell, his business probably improved from the publicity.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
15. I doubt it
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jul 2020

But in a sane world, it would be treated the same way as if someone lied on their resume.

This information was provided in good faith as part of a job interview. Finding our that it is bogus should have consequences.

Spoiler alert...It won't.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
31. Don't medical records belong to the patient?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jul 2020

Granted, most people would just write to their doctor to ask for the records. the doctor would be required to turn them over.

Trump had to make sure his records weren't copied before they were "collected" by his goons. Why do you think that could be?

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
43. The word "raided" does not imply asking nicely for his records.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jul 2020

If they were forcibly removed by the bodyguard, the bodyguard could be liable.

The doctor giving records to a third party could also be a HIPPA violation.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
44. Fair enough
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jul 2020

But who would be he plaintiff? Trump?

After all, it would be his rights that were violated. Do you really thin he would cry foul?

Dr. Bornstein is a bozo.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
40. Whom did he defraud?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jul 2020

Politicians lie all the time during their campaigns. There's nothing to prevent them from doing so.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
30. Looks like some idiot just signed it MD...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jul 2020

Hmmm...I wonder who that could have been? <-- a clue

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. Another indicator of Trump's waning influence
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jul 2020

Even his lickspittle toadies (and this garbanzo was one of the first and most prominent) aren't afraid of him anymore. That's not good news for Trump.

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
17. Sarah Sanders called it "standard operating procedure"
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jul 2020
Bornstein said the three men included Alan Garten, a top lawyer at the Trump organization who serves as its chief legal officer, and former Trump bodyguard Keith Schiller, who at the time was serving as the White House's director of Oval Office operations. (Schiller resigned from his post in September.)

Along with taking the records, Bornstein said the men asked for him to remove a framed photo he had with Trump, which was hanging in the waiting room of his office.

Bornstein claims he wasn't given a form authorizing the release of the records and called it a "raid." He said they took the only copies of Trump's charts and also records of visits when the president would use a pseudonym, NBC reported.

The White House confirmed Tuesday that its medical unit "took possession of the president’s medical records." White House press secretary Sarah Sanders called it "standard operating procedure."

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
26. Took the records of visits when Trump would use a pseudonym?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:46 PM
Jul 2020

Trump sometimes used a pseudonym when visiting his doctor?

dutch777

(3,023 posts)
24. Not surprising other than the doc's complicity. Hope the Dems address this and tax returns when...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jul 2020

...they win big in November. Every state should require release of tax returns for all major offices for anyone to even get on the primary ballot. And the Dems at Federal level should back this up and add the health records as well. It is extremely important to know who candidates are beholden too and what chronic health issues they have. May have to have some privacy provision for say a woman who miscarried or other things that do not affect longevity and performance in office.

no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
27. It was obvious to me. Had all the hallmarks of Trump's lexicon (choice of words)
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:47 PM
Jul 2020

and sentence cadence.

OTOH, Bornstein could face professional liability from Albany for putting his name on a document that he didn't draft that also wasn't inherently true/valid.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
28. Last year they raided the office?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jul 2020

that's interesting. The Doc sat on it until last year, and then his office gets 'raided', and no more Trump records. Love to know what the good doc has prescribed over the years. I think I've seen this movie, but can't remember the beginning or the end.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
38. Hope this clown doesn't "treat" any Medicare patients.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jul 2020

He just admitted to falsifying medical records. I wonder how many false claims he's filed with insurance companies and other payors.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
41. Has the AMA commented?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 08:38 PM
Jul 2020

The "doctor's" "informed silence" may constitute something like aiding and abetting medical fraud which could also bring disrepute on the medical profession.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,672 posts)
42. Shame on that doctor
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jul 2020

for giving into a bully.

Wish we had some people with R's behind their names with some backbones

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