What's the endgame?

[kairos12]

From a distance it looked like the very dire virus situation in NYC was stopped by a long lasting city lockdown. My question then is what is the endgame in States that have situations similar in NYC but refuse to enact equal measures to protect their citizens.

I don't think the country knows the outcome yet. Overflowing hospitals, stacked bodies in funeral homes, and eventually dead left in their homes or on the streets?

If the government says just live and die with the virus I can't see any other outcome than this in states where the government refuses to act.

If you survived this in NYC maybe you can provide some input.

I think this is going to get way worse. Unfortunately.

[mucifer]

1. January if we win the Presidency and the senate, is six long months away.

They will have a complex plan. The individual states until then will be on their own.

[Coventina]

2. I can tell you right now that AZ has no plan, other than, "we'll see..."

[erronis]

3. Endgame for whom? (r)epuglicons? hang onto office; rump? avoid going to jail; rest of population?

try to stay healthy and get rid of these two.

My $0.02

[Newest Reality]

4. I don't see how it can just stop...

I don't see how it can or will just stop by itself suddenly. We have only 3.1 million people infected so far that we know of. Even accounting for those infections that are not accounted for, we have 331,000,000 people in this country.

Exponential growth is what I would expect due to what we have been seeing so far and the lack of proper management and strict adherence to guidelines by governments and people. Part of the problem is this lackadaisical approach to it on both parts.

If it continues unchecked in that way, it has the potential to rapidly increase the infections and deaths, (and long and short-term disabilities) to gruesome, unbelievable nightmarish proportions and I don't say that to be sensational.

It is getting out of control and because there are more vectors now than before, it has the potential to jump around and reignite states that had it under control. It may bounce back and forth all over the country for months or years.

[Under The Radar]

5. My opinion only - no one seems afraid without Refer Trucks, mass graves and body bag shortages

[kairos12]

6. The Refer Vans should have a Make America Great Slogan on the side.

[genxlib]

7. Yup

When it starts to look like a disaster movie set in the red states we will be back under lock down. Until then, the statistics will just add up.

[alittlelark]

8. If Putin really is who the orangeanus anwers to

Then it is the DESTRUCTION of the US.

Just Sayin'

[FakeNoose]

10. I don't think Pootie wants to destroy us exactly

He wants the economic sanctions lifted, and he wants us to be less of a threat in his area of the world. As long as our oil companies aren't competing with his oil companies, he's a happy camper.

By now, I'm sure Pootie realizes the contract is about to expire on Chump.

[alittlelark]

11. Uh, Yeah. The USA is in his -'Wet Dream Mode'

Meethinks he is popping little blue pills and doing whatever a psycopath would do whenever one of his 'Butt Babies' comes thru.

[soothsayer]

9. Yeah it's a great question

It’s never sat well with me that we are managing this based on how many people can get sick at once without exhausting ICU units. That’s a terrible strategy.

If we really wanted to get back to whatever a new normal looks like (until a cure or treatment), we could do it in 100 days.

The hottest hotspots can knock it down in 100 days with concerted effort, as ny showed us. That means phase 1 stay at home scenarios for the most part, then masks and continued social distancing — safe reopenings with testing and tracing only when meeting the gates of two week declines in certain metrics, and having the capacity to test and trace.

The non-hotspots could wear masks and social distance and keep from becoming hotspots through careful management.

This would knock it down considerably, but wouldn’t likely eliminate it. It would buy time. And it would save lives. Thousands? Tens of thousands? More?

But as we have no national strategy, I don’t think we can answer your question.

My strategy is to get Biden in to implement his national strategy. Until and unless that happens, we have to hope that governors or citizens get sick to death of sickness and death.

[Chainfire]

12. New York hasn't beaten the virus

and neither has any place else. With the number of cases blooming in several states, it is going to spread back through the whole country. This time, instead of starting from a couple of points and a couple of cases, it is starting from widespread infections that are about to be made exponentially worse with the reopening of schools. The government isn't saying it, but herd immunity is where they are trying to take us. Big government, and big business which are inseparable, have decided that they don't care how many die as long as they can keep those dollars rolling in from the survivors.

The federal government's current policy is to make optimistic statements to pacify the people and hope that they don't worry about the numbers. It is a total failure of responsibility and leadership.

[SoonerPride]

19. +1

[backscatter712]

13. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm expecting the current spike to be rather large.

The GOP and their cultists are completely uninterested in fighting Captain Trumps.

[kairos12]

14. Reading Captain Trumps takes

me back to reading "The Stand" over several very long nights.

Captain Trumps. I will borrow that if you please.

[backscatter712]

16. Stephen King endorsed "Captain Trumps" on Twitter.

So Captain Trumps it is!

[lunasun]

15. I saw where some less severe hospital covid pt are being moved to hospitals in other states from AZ

Losing bed capacity is certainly being looked at by hospital networks in those areas if not the state gov.. They will continue to stress and weaken without support
Whole regions could go bad if the states that refuse bring down other states too that did do everything right but share borders with them and offer emergency healthcare assistance

I feel where I live Chicago Illinois the mayor and gov have both done a great job and although we still have a lot of cases they can only control people so much with gathering and it’s a big city so hard to avoid others but we seem to be flattening which is the goal A lot is still not fully open here masks and in the beginning Illinois was very prepared for the worse setting up new hospital centers that could have taken those exact same kind of patients , the non critical covid but still needing a hospital bed.
Not perfect and we will see if what did reopen will set us back
Unfortunately it’s all an experiment and takes
time to figure out what’s next
AZ or TX should not wait until it’s too late . Hope it does not go that way

[0rganism]

17. no spoilers dammit!!

all time travelers from the future need to stfu

or just go ahead and spill the beans - no one will believe you anyway

[SoonerPride]

18. We. Never. Locked. Down.

We never did what Italy, Spain, and France did.

They couldn’t leave their houses except for groceries or to go to the doctor.

That’s it.

We must lock everyone in their motherfucking house for three weeks. You can’t go outside.

The virus will stop transmitting.

The government has to pay everyone a months living sustainable wage.

If we don’t do it everywhere all at once MANDATORY and enforced by police and national Guard then we have this out of control worst possible outcome.

Mass death and an economy in tatters.

[freepotter]

21. Exactly!!

That's exactly what I've been saying for months now to anyone and everyone who will listen. Should have happened back in February, and we would be nearly free of it by now; at least able to trace and quarantine the few who would still cone down with the virus.

We lost the best opportunity we had months ago, and now it's going to cost dearly to ever get this under control. A lot of states are to the point now that there are so many cases that they can't keep up with contact tracing. The only thing left now is, as you say, MANDATORY lockdown. Dumb Donnie won't ever allow such a sensible action, so we'll continue to spend trillions of dollars on hospitalizations, funerals, lost jobs, etc. At some point, I think that this will have to happen, especially if no vaccine is developed.

Boomer Sooner! OU! OU! OU!

[rickyhall]

20. We have no leader. We a child in a man suit, nothing more.

Hope the dumb motherfuckers who support Little Donnie get what they deserve.

[jimlup]

22. End game?

There wasn't even an "Opening" much less a "Middle Game" or any other form of strategy. It is blunder after blunder by the federal government.

We are in a crises and have less than zero as far as leadership at the Federal level. I guess that makes the "endgame" = "we're fucked."