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Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:56 AM Jul 2020

A Black woman sat on the grass outside an L.A. church. The cold welcome she recorded speaks volumes




A Black woman sat on the grass outside an L.A. church. The cold welcome she recorded speaks volumes

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-11/la-me-alex-marshall-brown-st-pauls-lutheran-church-north-hollywood

https://www.facebook.com/alexmarshallbrown/posts/10105446046106991

The story I’m about to tell you began one hot afternoon this week on the lawn of an L.A. church, where a young Black woman sought peace in the leafy shade of a tree to paint her toenails emerald green and do some laptop research on a road trip she planned to take to the Grand Canyon.

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Marshall-Brown, who has lived in the church’s neighborhood for years, had been sitting on its lush green lawn for less than 15 minutes on Tuesday, she told me, when a pair of what appeared to be bicycle cops rolled up. She noticed the yellow-shirted “safety ambassadors” from the North Hollywood Business Improvement District but at first paid them no mind — until one of them stood in front of her and the other at her side, at which point, she said, “my spidey sense is going wild.”


When one of the men told her that she was on private property, she calmly pointed out that she was outside a church, on a lawn with no fence or “No Trespassing” sign. They stayed put. She stayed put, continuing to paint her nails. Before they rode off, she asked them what would happen next, and they told her that if she did not leave, someone likely would call the police.

Marshall-Brown, wondering who had made the first call, then noticed women in the windows of the church’s preschool across the street, clearly monitoring her without looking at her directly. Then one came out and, without speaking, walked behind her to check that the church doors were locked.


Soon after, two older white men appeared on the church property, cutting across the lawn straight to her side of the tree. One held a “No Trespassing” sign and a power tool. Neither said anything to her.

Each time I watch the video, that realization hits me like a gut punch — that these people from a church were dehumanizing her by treating her as an other, to be dispensed with without so much as a “How do you do?”

On the video, it is Marshall-Brown who speaks first.

“Hello,” she says, to which the man with the sign and power tool replies, “Welcome.”

“Am I?” she asks, to which he replies, “No.”


Each time I watch, I feel queasily certain that my presence on the lawn would not have elicited any such response — simply because of the color of my skin.

Again, watch the footage for yourself. Watch the man obliquely refer to the homeless people in the neighborhood by telling Marshall-Brown that the church has “a lot of problems with people here from the park vandalizing.”

Watch him, as he screws in the sign, say, “When people aren’t nice, we’re not nice,” and answer her query about why he thinks she has “been unkind” with the words: “Ma’am. We have to treat everybody the same. All lives matter.”

“All lives matter.” Think about that. Think about the coded ways people try to couch their true meaning in words they hope will give their thoughts cover but don’t.


It’s a coding that continues to appear on the video as an older woman from the preschool appears and starts filming Marshall-Brown, talking about the need to protect the children because of people who show up on the property, and “you don’t know what they’re going to do.”

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-11/la-me-alex-marshall-brown-st-pauls-lutheran-church-north-hollywood


https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/08/north-hollywood-church-apologizes-volunteers-no-trespassing-signs-black-woman-sitting-under-tree/

North Hollywood Church Apologizes For Volunteers Who Posted ‘No Trespassing’ Signs Because Of Black Woman Sitting Under Tree

The church addressed the incident in a Facebook post, saying that the incident was not handled “in a way representative of the church or the school” and said the volunteers involved in the incident have stepped down from their positions.

“The disrespect demonstrated by the individuals does not represent the attitude of St. Paul’s First,” St. Paul’s school’s acting Principal Santiago Botero said in the statement. “I was out of town at the time of the incident, but I believe it could’ve and should’ve been handled more respectfully.”

While the church has a policy against loitering within a certain radius of the church’s school for the safety of the children in response to incidents of vandalism, Botero said Marshall-Brown was clearly not harming any person or property.

Marshall-Brown said she met with church leaders to discuss the incident on Wednesday.

“They were very contrite and willing to engage in a dialogue and acknowledge the fault of the incident, and they pointed out I was not deserving of that behavior,” she said.
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A Black woman sat on the grass outside an L.A. church. The cold welcome she recorded speaks volumes (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 2020 OP
"church folk" Skittles Jul 2020 #1
old dude was waiting for the opportunity to say "all lives matter" to a black person Demovictory9 Jul 2020 #7
yeah Skittles Jul 2020 #16
its really true,.. ALL TRUMP lovers are assholes.. yuiyoshida Jul 2020 #9
they scream about being PRO-LIFE Skittles Jul 2020 #17
Eh. phylny Jul 2020 #33
Wow soothsayer Jul 2020 #2
The school principal, Mr Santiago Botero apologized and the school volunteers... EarnestPutz Jul 2020 #3
That said, however, I'd like to take that guys power drill and drive deck screws into his skull. EarnestPutz Jul 2020 #5
Love thy neighbor. fierywoman Jul 2020 #4
unless she's black and sits on the church lawn Demovictory9 Jul 2020 #6
Thank you for this post. It's good to see the church's response. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #8
Doesn't sound like Lutherans. betsuni Jul 2020 #10
This is a "Wisconsin Synod" parish... regnaD kciN Jul 2020 #12
Ah, thank you. The synods confuse me. betsuni Jul 2020 #15
When I first read "Wisconsin" I thought that they meant "Missouri" as I was somewhat aware... EarnestPutz Jul 2020 #35
Glad to read it had a better ending and Cha Jul 2020 #11
Exactly. One of my all-time favourite signs. Precise, accurate, to the point. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #20
When they say "white lives matter" we should just say secondwind Jul 2020 #13
Nice demonstration of "Christian love" there. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #14
I dunno church folks; you worship a guy who could walk on water and raise the dead... ck4829 Jul 2020 #18
There are so many Faux christians. Thing is, the actions of these ones were so AUTOMATIC. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #19
They're real Christians, all right. Silent3 Jul 2020 #24
This experiment, phase 2, and it's already out there. EqualityNow Jul 2020 #21
Welcome to DU! panader0 Jul 2020 #22
+1 dalton99a Jul 2020 #31
Some long haired, sandal wearing advocate for the poor better not show up either. dem4decades Jul 2020 #23
It's an experiment that should be staged and tried and discreetly video'ed in various places Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #30
Hope JC doesn't turn up and sit on the lawn. He wasn't really a good looking, blond guy. Vinca Jul 2020 #25
Was the pre-school in session? whistler162 Jul 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Jul 2020 #32
Wonder what this weeks sermon is about The Jungle 1 Jul 2020 #27
And Jesus said unto the multitudes Goodheart Jul 2020 #28
"None of them said that anything he possessed was his own but they owned all things common" struggle4progress Jul 2020 #29
One question you old white asshole: WWJD? Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #34

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
3. The school principal, Mr Santiago Botero apologized and the school volunteers...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:14 AM
Jul 2020

...have stepped down. The people who go to St. Paul's are faced with this reality and will no doubt talk about it at length. They will have to face the racism in their midst, if not their own reactions, and the reactions of others to this incident. I see this as a good thing.
.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
5. That said, however, I'd like to take that guys power drill and drive deck screws into his skull.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:19 AM
Jul 2020

No, no, wait, wait. I got carried away there. Jeez, I'm losing perspective. It's been a tough year. My apologies to everyone here. You know that Earnest really isn't like that.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
10. Doesn't sound like Lutherans.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:31 AM
Jul 2020

I consider them petty but not aggressive. The joke: How can you tell if a Lutheran is an extrovert? They stare at your shoes instead of their own when talking to you. I was raised as one and my take away was that you're not better than anyone else, feel guilty about pretty much everything because you've probably done something bad, serve on a committee, bring something nice to the potluck. But this story is from L.A. and not the midwest so who knows.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
12. This is a "Wisconsin Synod" parish...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:36 AM
Jul 2020

...not connected to the mainstream Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which is the main Lutheran denomination in this country. Much like the Missouri Synod, the Wisconsin Synod is quite conservative (they got started only a few decades ago because the ELCA and the Episcopal Church agreed to a shared-ministries convenant, and the Wisconsin Synod people didn't want to have anything to do with the "liberal" and "almost Catholic" Episcopalians). In other words, the difference is not unlike that between the American Baptist Church and the Southern Baptists, except that, in the latter case, the conservative branch is much bigger, while, here, the Wisconsin Synod is relatively small.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
15. Ah, thank you. The synods confuse me.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:46 AM
Jul 2020

My parents were Missouri Synod, I had no idea what that was. Garrison Keillor's joke was that it was the Misery Synod. All I remember about church was the smell of coffee and eating cookies during "fellowship" after service.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
35. When I first read "Wisconsin" I thought that they meant "Missouri" as I was somewhat aware...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jul 2020

....of those asshats. Your detailed explanation has opened my eyes to the greater breadth and depth of the idiocy in that church. I love that they can't seem to abide by each other, let alone Catholics. Screwtape was encouraged by his mentor to foster such divisions and promote rabid adherence to doctrine.

Cha

(297,285 posts)
11. Glad to read it had a better ending and
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:32 AM
Jul 2020

the "Church volunteers had to step down from their positions".



Heartstrings

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
18. I dunno church folks; you worship a guy who could walk on water and raise the dead...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 05:05 AM
Jul 2020

and to me, it seems like changing his color and gender would be rather easy compared to the other things this person has done.

Maybe consider that the next time you exclude somebody.

Just sayin'.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
19. There are so many Faux christians. Thing is, the actions of these ones were so AUTOMATIC.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 06:22 AM
Jul 2020

Perhaps we should say "god damned" hypocrites. Or perhaps we can hope that they receive enough 'con-damn-nation' during their lifetimes to change their ways.

Silent3

(15,220 posts)
24. They're real Christians, all right.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:40 AM
Jul 2020

Just not very good people. I disagree with the "no true Scotsman" premise that "real Christian" means better person.

 

EqualityNow

(32 posts)
21. This experiment, phase 2, and it's already out there.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:11 AM
Jul 2020

These disgusting "church going" racists certainly showed themselves for what they are, but note, that link at the L.A. Times is one that has a comments section. How far will people go to actually try and justify that jackass with the sign:

a poster named "OC_Teacher" posted

I don't understand how she could sit down on private property to paint her toenails and expect a welcome. I don't care what race she is.


2nd commentator "Scoutakes"
The article left me wondering why Ms Marshall-Brown didn’t leave when told she was on private property. Perhaps she “spider sensed” the opportunity for publicity. She is after all an actress/stuntwoman living in LA.


So, went looking to see what other news sources that have comment sections posted. First one other than the L.A. Times original was:

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0PZw2LxH/a-black-woman-sat-on-the-grass-outside-an-la-church-the-cold-welcome-she-recorded-speaks-volumes

Same crap in the comments section.

There is no end to the lengths people will go to either openly disparage and insult Alex Marshall-Brown with both direct racist comments, and others, completely ignoring all the openly racist comments RIGHT BY THEIR OWN POSTS try to paint it as something other than racial at all. I have a hard time determining which is worse.. the outright direct racists, or the willfully stupidly ignorant who are ignoring the directly racist posts right next to their own to keep the blinders on.

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
23. Some long haired, sandal wearing advocate for the poor better not show up either.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 07:36 AM
Jul 2020

He's not welcome either.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
30. It's an experiment that should be staged and tried and discreetly video'ed in various places
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:46 AM
Jul 2020

If some people had the time and money to do it in a hundred locations across the nation there could be some very interesting patterns that emerge regarding denominations and regions.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
26. Was the pre-school in session?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:06 AM
Jul 2020

White man sits on lawn outside of Pre-School. What would the reaction be from "activists" if he had been asked to leave.

Response to whistler162 (Reply #26)

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
27. Wonder what this weeks sermon is about
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:15 AM
Jul 2020

Love thy neighbor maybe

Just some more cafeteria style Christians. Christ wanted us to respect all his teachings.

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
28. And Jesus said unto the multitudes
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 08:34 AM
Jul 2020

wheresoever you gather in my name there shall be no black people sitting on the grass. And keep your underwear clean and your children brainwashed.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,107 posts)
34. One question you old white asshole: WWJD?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jul 2020

Maybe ask if she were hungry....or homeless....or just sit there and have a nice conversation.

FUCK YOU RACIST HYPCRITES!!

AND ANOTHER THING, DON'T POKE HOLES IN TREES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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