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Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:59 PM Jul 2020

"Survey finds Hillary Clinton has 'more than 99% chance' of winning election over Donald Trump"

From November 5, 2016

Always remember this was what we knew as fact going into the last election.

Don't let your guard down.
He still has 80-90% popularity among Republicans and is widely considered honest and reliable by them.

for reference:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html

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"Survey finds Hillary Clinton has 'more than 99% chance' of winning election over Donald Trump" (Original Post) Kablooie Jul 2020 OP
haven't believed a poll ever since. IcyPeas Jul 2020 #1
The polls were much closer than the pre-election narrative portrayed Amishman Jul 2020 #7
I think about it all the time. Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #2
We have to get our act together unless we want to see the full scale demolition of our country DSandra Jul 2020 #3
Sigh. The Russians changed the vote tallies. She won. triron Jul 2020 #4
This. I've always believed that 70,000 vote win was bullshit SoonerPride Jul 2020 #6
Lot's here will tell you that never happened. I agree with you that it did. Squinch Jul 2020 #10
nope. but if you have a a shred of evidence ... stopdiggin Jul 2020 #11
Which means they are likely to do it again nt lostnfound Jul 2020 #18
She did win. SoonerPride Jul 2020 #5
She won. Could we stop talking about all the reasons she "lost"? planetc Jul 2020 #8
She Did Win! ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #9
polls were changing (very) quickly stopdiggin Jul 2020 #12
Thanks to Comey SoonerPride Jul 2020 #16
and the Republicans (and Russians) stopdiggin Jul 2020 #17
I was in the UK in October 2016 CanonRay Jul 2020 #13
What a coincidence BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #15
They should do one for Hillary to become the next A.G. duforsure Jul 2020 #14

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
7. The polls were much closer than the pre-election narrative portrayed
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:17 PM
Jul 2020

PA's last set of polls averaged to only a 2% lead, within the margin of error.

The polls were normalized using projections based on prior recent elections, and were surprised by rural turnout well in excess of prior results. Pollsters have adjusted their models accordingly.

DSandra

(999 posts)
3. We have to get our act together unless we want to see the full scale demolition of our country
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jul 2020

And that’s if we survive the full onslaught of the pandemic...

Literally, if we don’t win in November, hundreds of thousands if not millions will die.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
6. This. I've always believed that 70,000 vote win was bullshit
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jul 2020

They literally changed the votes by hacking the machines.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
11. nope. but if you have a a shred of evidence ...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jul 2020

beyond , "Well, statistically just doesn't make sense." or "Well, my BIL in MI said .." or "Could have happened, so why wouldn't they?"

Like .. real forensic evidence of changed vote tallies?
Then, be my guest ... Otherwise -- it's just one more FB conspiracy game.

(Clinton won the popular vote -- that much is correct.)

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
5. She did win.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jul 2020

I believe the tallies or boring machines in certain counties in Penn, Mich, and Wiscy were manually changed by Russians.

The margin was close enough to be believable.

But Hillary won. Just by not enough to avoid the ratFucking.

We will wipe the republicans off the map by such a massive tsunami no amount of cheating will help them this time.

ProfessorGAC

(65,075 posts)
9. She Did Win!
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

Also, PINO was an unknown political commodity.
He is now fully known. His incompetence is manifest to average Americans.
I understand the "don't count your chickens" sentiment, but I don't think comparing 2016 to 2020 is valid.
Besides, quite obviously opinions varied. This is a snip from Newsweek, November 1, 2016.

The Real Clear Politics average of state and national polls shows Clinton still ahead by 2.2 points. Trump now has 45.3 percent of voter support, compared to 47.5 percent for Clinton. The majority of polls released on Tuesday still have Clinton leading Trump, but the Republican candidate has gained points after the news regarding Abedin's emails was announced on Friday.

What about Tuesday's forecasts? FiveThirtyEight says Trump now has more than a 25 percent chance of winning the election, while Clinton's chances have dropped to 74.1 percent. For Clinton, it's a more than 10 percent dip since last Tuesday, when she had an 85 percent chance of victory. It's also a four point decrease from Monday, when she had a 78.9 percent chance of winning.


Per this, it was NOT a 99% chance of HRC winning, and she only had a 2.2% poll lead. She won the popular vote by around 2.5%. (3 million votes more than PINO)

Hence, I don't think the comparison works!

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
12. polls were changing (very) quickly
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jul 2020

and Clinton was hemorrhaging support. Election was still a surprise (on several different fronts) -- but not nearly as much as the popular narrative would have had it.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
16. Thanks to Comey
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jul 2020

I think that poll changing was independents frightened away bc of Comeys October surprise bullshit.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
17. and the Republicans (and Russians)
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jul 2020

ran a pretty good social media campaign -- that allowed a lot of Americans to rediscover (and express!) their inner assh*le.

(and incidentally -- that was done by 99% US citizens vs 1% Russian shit stirring)

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
15. What a coincidence
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jul 2020

So was I. Over 2 weeks got asked about the election by everyone from taxi drivers to museum guides. I told them the same thing, and it never seemed like they believed what I was telling them. Maybe they knew something I didn’t.

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