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The Trump Administration Orders Hospitals to Bypass the C.D.C. with Key Virus Data
The Trump administration ordered hospitals to bypass the C.D.C. and send key virus data to a Washington database, alarming health officials.
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The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.
The new instructions are contained in a little-noticed document posted this week on the Department of Health and Human Services website, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports. From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
Officials say the change will streamline data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and the drug remdesivir. Some hospital officials welcome the move, saying it will relieve them of responding to requests from multiple federal agencies.
But public health experts have long expressed concerns that the administration is politicizing science and undermining the disease control centers; four former C.D.C. directors, spanning both Republican and Democratic administrations, said as much in an opinion piece published Tuesday in The Washington Post. The data collection shift reinforced those fears.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/world/coronavirus-updates.html
kairos12
(12,874 posts)jayfish
(10,039 posts)kairos12
(12,874 posts)underpants
(182,887 posts)He knows how to analyze the numbers betterer than anyone
kairos12
(12,874 posts)He could discuss intelligently across a varied field of subjects. His main focus of study though was mathematics. He believed it to be the "purest" of pursuits because of it's proofs, calculations, and theorems.
I, not being numbers astute, and after a long lecture of how the "soft" subjects didn't measure up, decided to mess with him.
I asked, "how much is 2+2. He said 4. I said wrong and I can prove it.
Being prepared, I said alright. I pulled 2 pieces of parachute cord from my pocket. Each had 2 small knots on them. I said will will unite these 2 pieces of string. 2 knots + 2 knots equals 4 knots. I then pointed out the joining knot. That makes 5.
2+2=5.
He howled, I laughed.
underpants
(182,887 posts)2+2 is what you pay me to make it
LiberalArkie
(15,729 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)babylonsister
(171,094 posts)I wonder who is on the task force to handle all these numbers?
Everything they touch turns to poop; I think it's a shitty idea.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)This situation is already bad enough; now it's in total collapse.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)malaise
(269,182 posts)Another epic fail coming up
babylonsister
(171,094 posts)will interfere with hospitals getting the PPE. Lose/lose.
malaise
(269,182 posts)They don't give a flying fuck
KatyMan
(4,211 posts)What's to stop them from sending data to the FCC? I'm not at all knowledgeable in this so I guess I'm missing something.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)hlthe2b
(102,378 posts)pandr32
(11,617 posts)dchill
(38,543 posts)2naSalit
(86,798 posts)He's mad because they won't fudge their guidelines to his liking. I hope these institutions keep their data safe and share it with CDC anyway.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)can't alter numbers that are already counted and on file, but maybe it's like votes being sent in from different precincts. They've really got a handle on the counting thing.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)But what if the White House pools all the numbers together into one category, like "new cases in California" so the individual hospitals aren't able to determine whether or not their numbers were changed?
stillcool
(32,626 posts)...that somewhere else was different. Even if a county had x amount, each hospital in the county would be bundled so who knows? Plus the corporations that own the hospitals might play the game. So many spots along the way to tinker.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)How the hell do they get to order all of this stuff?!
Kid Berwyn
(14,969 posts)Ja!
IcyPeas
(21,910 posts)then let's compare and contrast the numbers.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Why not send to both? What would the White House even give as an excuse for that? They still get the data.
This is a rhetorical question obviously.
liberalla
(9,264 posts)We're going to whip this virus into shape and soon it will just go away....
rurallib
(62,450 posts)Champp
(2,114 posts)as they bury they dead caused by their malfeasance.
Zoonart
(11,879 posts)this runs contra to their prime directive to "First do no harm."
Idiot in the White House has never been loyal to anything in his life, especially not his oath of office.
NO... he will politicize and propagandize the death of Americans.
What is it going to take. I really don't think we can wait as a nation until November.I do not know what the remedy is, but we have elected a whole lot of people to represent us that DO know.
You know what to do.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)kimbutgar
(21,206 posts)TheRickles
(2,083 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)The US health department's new communications chief is a Trump loyalist and Roger Stone associate who spread conspiracies about Ukraine and Hunter Biden
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has appointed Michael Caputo to be its new Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, a top communications position.
Caputo is a loyalist to President Donald Trump, who has worked on Republican campaigns since the 1980s, and for a Russian state-owned energy company in the 1990s as a public-relations consultant.
He is also a longtime associate of political strategist Roger Stone, who was found guilty late last year of lying to Congress and witness tampering in the Mueller investigation.
In recent years Caputo has spread conspiracy theories alleging that the investigations into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, and Trump's 2019 Ukraine phone call, were plots by elites to damage Trump's presidency.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)erronis
(15,342 posts)moondust
(20,006 posts)Fired by DeSadist for "a repeated course of insubordination," she might have some ideas on how to overcome this corruption.
Former Florida data official creates her own Covid-19 site that shows more cases than state reports
erronis
(15,342 posts)the personally-identifiable info (PII) for names, phone#s, addresses, ages, SSNs.
Expect robocalls from this new HHS organization soon.
"We noticed that you are 74 years old and have diabetes. If we told you we'd pay for your care, will you promise to vote for trump in 2020?"
Volaris
(10,274 posts)And every single piece of information useful to keeping ourselves alive will disappear into black hole.
Hopefully, hospitals are smart enough to make a copy of the data n send it to the CDC, as well as third data set for themselves so that comparisons can later PROVE this admin knew they were lying about the numbers they received.
bucolic_frolic
(43,307 posts)They may not be counted, but their ranks will be diminished by election day
Dem2theMax
(9,654 posts)and all of that data needs to be available online to all of us. Then we can compare the crap that will be coming out of the White House. We know it's going to be doctored information. In fact I can pretty much guarantee the numbers are going to go down almost immediately.
patphil
(6,215 posts)I thought they reported to the state departments of health, who then sent the data to the CDC.
The only hospitals that would have to comply are the VA and military hospitals.
The rest can choose to do so, but still have to report to their states.
Personally I don't think this is going to get much compliance; maybe more in red states than blue, but still it's not going to be the way Trump wants it.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)And now wants to play around with Americans health data?
I am not an attorney, but at a snap glance, Id say this has all the force of a wet noodle.
The *order* seems batsh*t unreasonable in its overreach and time requirement. Am I wrong in this, DU legal eagles?
Hugin
(33,207 posts)Maladministration.
I have complete faith in King Kaka Midas turning the whole thing to crap on himself.
calimary
(81,507 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)Even if Trump has this authority, hospitals should treat this order with the same respect that the Whitehouse has treated all of the Congressional subpoenas.
calimary
(81,507 posts)And Id keep sending data to the CDC.
But then again, I already have a hard time acknowledging the donalds legitimacy to hold that job he stole by cheating.
Jim__
(14,083 posts)All that's left is criminalizing having forbidden knowledge.
Mickju
(1,805 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,902 posts)Or send the information also to the CDC and wherever else they've been reporting to.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,070 posts)Ohmygod. Think of how dangerous this is. They are trying to manipulate the data for their own personal / political gain by hiding the truth from the American people.
Rather than actually fix the problem, they want to hide it.
nevergiveup
(4,764 posts)God help us all.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)Let him take them to court, since using law as his own weapon is all he thinks law is good for.
He literally abandoned his federal crisis duty after using his office to call a national emergency. Then he walked away from it all and told state governors, "You're on your own.
No hospital, governor or state entities should give him anything. They must not obey an abandoning dictator.
He'll only use the data to make up a revisionist Big Fat Lie about his great job in solving what everybody else BUT him solved.