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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:28 AM Jul 2020

Mika B. just read Joe's mea culpa in the Washington Post (not up when I looked online) about

how terribly wrong he was about being a republican. He still thinks we care. We know he's an Independent now. What the hell is this?

When Mika started reading I thought Joe was gonna say something starltling, like "i have Covid" but no, he of course made it all about him.

But nothing was new in his confession. Does anybody care why he stopped being a Republican?

Please, someone publish it here when the WP has it up on their website...

I know we don't like him but lots of people watch that show so we deal with what we got, even tho we may not watch, lots of people do (perhaps less than he thinks, tho).

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Mika B. just read Joe's mea culpa in the Washington Post (not up when I looked online) about (Original Post) CTyankee Jul 2020 OP
It's paywalled, unfortunately, but here's a link & a 4 paragraph snip: Dennis Donovan Jul 2020 #1
If he cares so much Just_Vote_Dem Jul 2020 #2
There is an old journalistic tradition that reporters should not take sides, including... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #9
which I always found stupid dsc Jul 2020 #11
Very little is absolute, but, if you, being a teacher, were also a delegate... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #12
They would have a right to know and evaluate my teaching accordingly dsc Jul 2020 #13
Agreed that what you teach or what they report should stand on its own without... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #19
this was not self-flagellation...this was self-congratulations... agingdem Jul 2020 #15
Because he's a moderate conservative by nature and Hortensis Jul 2020 #18
I Tend To Agree, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2020 #23
I'm no admirer either after his years of bringing us to this. Hortensis Jul 2020 #30
Better question: why doesn't he go back and clean the place up? JHB Jul 2020 #20
Oh, but then he wouldn't be "special." See how that works? CTyankee Jul 2020 #21
And why does he make his wife read it, rather than reading it himself? Squinch Jul 2020 #3
the enemy of my enemy ..... Demonaut Jul 2020 #4
I thought the essay handmade34 Jul 2020 #5
better late than never, I guess, but I suspect he wants to somehow cover himself in glory and CTyankee Jul 2020 #22
3 words Joe Scar Bush v Gore Botany Jul 2020 #6
Who cares. milestogo Jul 2020 #7
I don't watch every day, FoxNewsSucks Jul 2020 #8
I really don't care right now . Most important thing is to get rid of Trump JI7 Jul 2020 #10
If, given his spot, he can help in the effort to get rid of Trump, then FINE. Glad he's part of CTyankee Jul 2020 #24
A little late. Has Susan Sarandon, David Sirota, Cornell West, etc issued a mea culpa for still_one Jul 2020 #14
I'm used to conservatives and "like" the jerk okay, but don't watch his show. Hortensis Jul 2020 #16
Amen to this and your other post in this thread. As liberals, we rarely can... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #27
Lol. Certainly sounds like democracy. Those who smear Hortensis Jul 2020 #29
He's been off for a couple of weeks now underpants Jul 2020 #17
Mika said a day or so ago that Joe was on a "break" and she said it with a look of disgust. CTyankee Jul 2020 #28
Did he apologize for helping get Trump elected? Empowerer Jul 2020 #25
Real easy to issue a mea culpa---the damage is already done. (nt) Paladin Jul 2020 #26

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
1. It's paywalled, unfortunately, but here's a link & a 4 paragraph snip:
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:33 AM
Jul 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/15/i-still-believe-american-dream-i-know-why-so-many-others-dont/

<snip>

Other babies in that NICU would die over the next month, but Jack improved steadily until we could finally bring him home. But the aura of invincibility that I had soaked in since childhood was gone; any remaining illusions would be dashed over the next decade with the death of my parents, a second divorce, the loss of friends to cancer and the fears faced by any father of four. I now spend my days praying for those children, nervously crossing myself when I speak of good things and knocking on wood whenever the surface is within reach.

But I know I am blessed to have had the luxury of living fearlessly though the first four decades of my life. Unlike my Post colleague Eugene Robinson, I never had to warn my teenage boys how to behave when stopped by a police officer. And unlike the writer Ta-Nehisi Coates, I did not know the fear that arises from being born of “a people who control nothing, who can protect nothing.” As Coates told his son, “Black people love their children with a kind of obsession. You are all we have, and you come to us endangered.”

The streets of West Baltimore do not allow a child to walk through life carrying a sense of invincibility. Instead, parents harbor an unremitting dread when their child does something as mundane as walking to school.

Fathers across the South Side of Chicago cannot assure their children that a faith in God, a love of country and a life filled with hard work will lead them to The Dream. For millions of Americans, that dream appears to be little more than a white man’s conjuring, designed to conceal a country’s sins and hold its citizens harmless for crimes committed against black humanity over the past 400 years.

<snip>


TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. There is an old journalistic tradition that reporters should not take sides, including...
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:57 AM
Jul 2020

their voter registration. Some papers and tv stations in the old days even told their news staffs not to register to vote. Some may even do now.

Quaint as that may sound in the day of Rachel Maddow and Judge Jeanine, who do anything but hide what sides they are on, it does recognize the difference between reporting and opinion, if not the honoring of those differences.

I read theWaPo piece, btw, and if you didn't hate Scarborough going in, it was actually a pretty good one. Another bit about the "two Americas".

dsc

(52,163 posts)
11. which I always found stupid
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:12 AM
Jul 2020

There are no unbiased people. There are people who keep the bias in check when reporting, or gathering data, or teaching, or whatever else. As a teacher, I owe my students an unbiased appraisal of the work they submit and fair treatment within my classroom. I do not owe them a disowning of every opinion I might have or have ever had.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. Very little is absolute, but, if you, being a teacher, were also a delegate...
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jul 2020

to a party convention-- how would that affect how your students or their parents would view your objectivity?

dsc

(52,163 posts)
13. They would have a right to know and evaluate my teaching accordingly
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:21 AM
Jul 2020

the fact is my kids know I am gay and know I am a pretty strong Democrat but I also have a reputation for being fair. That, and only that, is what they are owed. Rachel's reporting should stand on its merits. Either she is or she isn't telling the truth. The same with Judge Jennine. The fact is Anderson Cooper and Andrea Mitchell have views too. We just aren't permitted to know what they are.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
19. Agreed that what you teach or what they report should stand on its own without...
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:10 AM
Jul 2020

being influenced by anything outside of the job.

But, we all now that no matter how much you work at being neutral, we're all human and not only will something occasionally sneak in, but the real problem is how parents and the public trust you to actually be neutral.

And the public itself isn't even trying to be neutral.

agingdem

(7,850 posts)
15. this was not self-flagellation...this was self-congratulations...
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:34 PM - Edit history (4)

I suppose there will be series of "better late than never" posts...this isn't one of them...Mika and Joe owe us a down-on-their-knees apology...trump was their buddy until he wasn't...they knew he was a depraved narcissistic sociopath...they knew he was a misogynistic voyeur, a amoral sexual pig, but because they hated Hillary with a blazing hot passion they pushed their debauched party pal as a serious candidate...they ignored the racism and the ethnic hatred, they ignored the sheer stupidity of the man..they ignored the payoffs, the bankruptcies, the vicious playground taunts.. so when he was "elected" they insisted that Mr. Grab Them By The Pussy would "rise" to the gravitas of the office...become presidential...and only when he turned the weight of the the office into a cash cow did Mika and Joe offer something resembling a mild rebuke...and their Donald unleashed his poison..Mika's face lift, Mika and Joes's affair...but your question is a good one..why doesn't Joe register as a Democrat...put his money where his mouth is?...Joe has a pulpit..he can push for change...what's stopping him? Oh, I remember, Joe is now a " registered independent"...a bullshit voter tag if ever there was one....why are the former republican Joe's of the media pundit class (Michael Steele, Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson, George Conway, Willian Kristol et.al) loathe to once and for all embrace the Democrat Party?... could it be that they hate that orange piece of garbage in the White House and his enabling sychophantic GOP compadres in the House and Senate more than they hate Democrats?..and once Washington is rid of the GOP filth do they go back to their former comfort zone?...should be interesting...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Because he's a moderate conservative by nature and
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jul 2020

politics. Scarborough, and now many others, are trying to take America's conservative party back from the hard-core RW villains who got control and purged conservatism itself from the GOP, along with all GOP officials too honest and principled to go along with massive corruption and betrayal. Or to build a whole new conservative party with themselves in charge.

Their time has arrived. And we desperately need them to succeed.

Roughly half our nation, perhaps more, are conservative by nature and leaning, the other half liberal. (Plus some fringes and odd lots.) The needs and beliefs most Americans share far, far outweigh our differences, and we have to get back to appreciating that huge working basis for democracy.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
23. I Tend To Agree, Ma'am
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:16 AM
Jul 2020

I detest Scarborough immensely, and would never speak a word in defense of him.

What you say about there being room for a moderate conservative party in our polity I am in full agreement with. It is a shame we do not have one.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. I'm no admirer either after his years of bringing us to this.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jul 2020

But we can live with sharing power with people like him. Our nation's greatest years came about that way.

The people he's finally trying to displace, though, are the kind who someday might not let people like me live. But foreseeable is destroying the retirement, medical and safety net systems we created and leaving unneeded people to live or die as they may. And that's not even considering what I believe is their current happy notion of loosing pandemic disease to knock some of us off.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
20. Better question: why doesn't he go back and clean the place up?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:11 AM
Jul 2020

This has been going on for his whole career. He was part of it, and he owes his current career to it.

And when that hot mess continued to get hotter and foamier, he didn't think it was his responsibility to organize against the heat and foam, he just declared he was washing his ands of it and walked away.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
5. I thought the essay
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:44 AM
Jul 2020

was fine...Joe Scarborough acknowledging his white privilege and understanding that many others don't have that luxury...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
22. better late than never, I guess, but I suspect he wants to somehow cover himself in glory and
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:14 AM
Jul 2020

I really don't think he deserves it.

Oh, well, on to more deserving things...

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
8. I don't watch every day,
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:57 AM
Jul 2020

and even when it's on, I don't sit glued to the show. So I miss a lot of things. He does like the sound of his own voice, and as pointed out here frequently, the show is better when he's not there interrupting and filibustering.

Lately, he's been pretty damn good about calling out the tRump admin and crime family. (After helping put that travesty in office)

The editorial this morning was good, as are some of the other things he's said since leaving the R party. But I have yet to hear him, at the end of one of those good pieces, say "...and I now realize how terribly wrong I was, and I'm sorry". I certainly could have missed it, but I'd think it would have been posted here.

That's what he needs to say and then move forward making up for the republicon damage he helped with.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
10. I really don't care right now . Most important thing is to get rid of Trump
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:00 AM
Jul 2020

Afterwards we can have this conversation if he wants .

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
24. If, given his spot, he can help in the effort to get rid of Trump, then FINE. Glad he's part of
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:16 AM
Jul 2020

the solution, at long last.

still_one

(92,223 posts)
14. A little late. Has Susan Sarandon, David Sirota, Cornell West, etc issued a mea culpa for
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jul 2020

encouraging people not to vote for Hillary over trump in the General Election?

Worse yet as far as David Sirota and Briahna Joy Gray, they are out there doing the same thing to Joe Biden

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. I'm used to conservatives and "like" the jerk okay, but don't watch his show.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

At least most of the time. It's recorded in case I get curious about something.

Most important, though, conservatives will always be roughly half of all Americans. They're. not. going. anywhere. And how they behave in future will depend on the leaders they elect.

We desperately need moderate conservatives to return to electing people like themselves who want to continue our democracy and are capable of working with liberals to arrive at imperfect solutions we can all live with. As democracy requires, or no democracy. And we need them to join with us, as they once did, to keep the vicious right and antidemocratic left from getting enough power to kick over democracy's table, the huge danger we're living through now.

So, yeah I care that influential conservatives are breaking away from and denouncing their previous enabling of what Republicanism has become. I care big time. Our futures are all on the line, and the grownups have to get control. Or else...

It'd be the vicious authoritarian, religious, kleptocratic right, btw. The antidemocratic left isn't even in the running.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
27. Amen to this and your other post in this thread. As liberals, we rarely can...
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jul 2020

agree with each other how to best do things, and that leads to fracturing and often ultimately to a takeover by a radical faction.

In order for democracy to work at all, we need a "loyal opposition" to keep us on track. And so does that loyal opposition.

Once in a while a law or policy is so obvious that we all jump on it, but most of the time we are divided and compromise is the order of the day. Compromise is an art, and one we dare not let disappear.

A judge once wrote in an opinion something to the effect that a good outcome to a lawsuit is one where both parties are equally pissed off.

Sounds a little like life itself.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Lol. Certainly sounds like democracy. Those who smear
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jul 2020

the compromises of democracy as unprincipled always seem to imagine they'd get to rule the virtuous autocracy they long for.

I prefer to view sausage making by a bunch of only somewhat satisfied people as a noble endeavor.



"By persisting in your path, though you forfeit the little, you gain the great." ~ Emerson

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
28. Mika said a day or so ago that Joe was on a "break" and she said it with a look of disgust.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jul 2020

As his wife, she might be just fed up with his childishness indulgence of himself....just my "woman radar" thingie I got...

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