NY Judge in Trump's Tax Return Fight: Why Are We Still Here?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

A week after the Supreme Court ruled President Donald Trump is not immune from turning over his tax returns and other financial records to the Manhattan district attorney, the president’s legal team said in a Thursday hearing they intended to keep fighting the “wildly over-broad subpoena”—an argument slammed by prosecutors as a back-door attempt to create temporary “absolute immunity.”

Federal Judge Victor Marrero—who originally presided over the case and denied the president’s efforts to block Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance from subpoenaing eight years of Trump’s tax returns last year—questioned both sides in a Thursday hearing about what has changed since his previous ruling.

In the video hearing, Marrero hinted that he had already addressed the president’s concerns last October and only new information would change his mind.

Last August, Vance’s office issued a subpoena to Mazars, the president’s accounting firm, as part of the investigation into hush-money payments allegedly made to several women before the 2016 election. The president has denied having affairs with these women, but Vance said the financial records dating back to 2011 were crucial to see if business records were falsified and if any tax laws were violated.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ny-judge-trump-tax-return-153421169.html

[Nevilledog]

1. Can't wait to see the new bullshit arguments they dream up.

[lagomorph777]

2. Judge should give then a short deadline to submit their bullshit.

[triron]

3. Like days. Not weeks.

[Mike 03]

6. Or hours.

This is so tiresome.

[Nevilledog]

5. Think he gave til July 27.

[soothsayer]

8. Yep

[Silent3]

20. When the judge is clearly impatient, why reward these delay tactics?

I'd give 'em a fucking week, max.

[former9thward]

29. Which is why you are not a federal judge.

It would be overturned on appeal and end up right back in his court.

[Silent3]

33. Which just means one can sadly count on another judge supporting these BS delay tactics

The whole culture is fucked up in allowing the judicial system to be deliberately abused like this.

[Fritz Walter]

23. In that time-frame, they could claim almost anything

The cat/dog ate the hard copies of their documents, and -- somehow -- they forget to scan them into PDF files.
Aliens from the Galaxy Andromeda moved all records to their spaceship in their desire to achieve true enlightenment. And the Space Farce isn't able to wrestle back those records.
The Corona Virus infected their computers and deleted all these evidentiary files.
It's god's will that he be absolved of any/all crimes because he's only doing god's will.

They've lost the case. And now, they're just stalling, hoping to stretch this out until, say, November 4.

[lagomorph777]

24. Not gonna work.

[TeamPooka]

4. If they don't comply just jail his lawyers for contempt

[getagrip_already]

21. whose lawyers? the wh?All the wh can do is try to extend the process of releasing the taxes. They

It's not up to them to comply. It's up to mazers, a private accounting firm holding trumps taxes. All the wh lawyers can do is try to delay. They aren't holding the taxes themselves. This isn't a subpoena of the irs.

So unless someone has physically destroyed all electronic and paper copies mazers may have, there is no way for the wh to stop it once the courts order mazers to comply. Mazers has said they will.

There is however, a very good chance that no copies exist. Certainly the copies at the irs have been secreted away, and may no longer exist even electronically (yes, the guvvies can do that). Trump may have destroyed his personal copies, or at least hidden them so nobody can get at them.

It's possible mazers is the only source of those returns left in existence, which may mean they no longer exist. Documents related to trump seem to keep disappearing, whether at the national enquirer, trump's companies, or his shady enablers.

Color me cynical.

[former9thward]

30. Nonsense.

Both the federal IRS and the NY IRS have had and have his returns for the last 40 years at least.

[getagrip_already]

34. nys wouldn't have copies of his federal returns, which

is what prosecutors are seeking. They only have access to state returns, and a very limited amount of data from federal returns.

The irs has already said they collected ALL copies of trumps federal returns and put them under lock and key. They also said they were restricting electronic access to the secretary alone.

I've heard a lot of people say that you can't delete records from federal databases. It is done all the time. The backups become useless once the encryption keys are shredded. We aren't talking about an 80's vintage email system. The databases that hold information on key public figures are treated as ts/sci material. Records can disappear very completely once an order is given. If trump orders them destroyed, they will be gone forever from gov't access. Same for those meeting notes they stuffed into classified servers. One order, a few minutes, and it's done and irreversible.

Could some hero civil servant have printed some copies off under obama and hidden them in some file? Not likely. The doj would have been at their desk five minutes after they accessed them. They watch for people accessing records of candidates very closely (or they did when the doj actually worked). And the trump regime will have turned over every garbage can looking for stray copies.

So if nys has copies of his federal returns, it was because someone not liked by trump gave them copies. But those copies couldn't be used in court unless there was a strong chain of custody (which mazers can prove). Someone like cohen couldn't because he didn't prepare them and wasn't responsible for them. trumps lawyers would simply claim they aren't authentic and suppress them.

So I'm not sure what nonsense you are referring to. But t go to court nys has to get copies from mazers. If mazers destroyed them, the game ends in a scream of anguish. But it most definitely ends.

[former9thward]

35. Why weren't Trump's taxes looked at when the IRS was controlled by Clinton and Obama?

That is a 16 year period. They would have had all his paperwork.

[getagrip_already]

36. because it would be repulsive and illegal......

The irs is supposed to be non-political, and its files are protected by law to not allow political fishing trips.

Parties in power are not supposed to use the government agencies to spy on political adversaries.

Of course, trump has bulldozed over those protections. Not only have they likely downloaded every dems tax return to gop databases, they have been reported to be using covert intel assetts to hunt for dirt on dems.

It's right there in the autocrats instruction manual.

Democracies don't work that way, but trump has solved that by destroying this country. Putin must be very proud.

[VladmireTrumpkins]

7. I have to ask

what the hell is so damn damaging in these financial statements tht Trump is going to such lengths to hide?
Something to do with Russia and illegal money laundering?

If they they found a check with Putins name on it and the words "Good work, Mr Trump" His supporters would make some excuse and blame Hillary..

[SWBTATTReg]

11. I suspect that rump didn't declare a lot of income that would be readily figured out once his...

tax returns are made available to requesting authorities who have a legitimate reason to view the returns. Fraud too, in declaring a lot of redundant or invalid deductions. He is simply a crook who knows his doom is upon him for the tax fraud that he is.

[uponit7771]

12. On TRMS it was Mail, insurance, bank and tax fraud. Misstating assets is short time crime.

[SWBTATTReg]

16. Not really sure what TRMS stands for (I apologize), there are quite a few uses of this acronym...

TRMS Tightrope Media Systems
TRMS Taylor Road Middle School (John Creeks, GA)
TRMS Trust Risk Management Services (insurance)
TRMS Transit Management System
TRMS The Rachel Maddow Show (radio program)
TRMS Tycom Readiness Management System
TRMS Tuttle Risk Management Services, Inc
TRMS Training Records Management System
TRMS Test Resource Management System
TRMS True Root Mean Squared
TRMS Total Report Management Solution
TRMS TDMA Reference and Monitoring Station
TRMS Training Resource Management System
TRMS Time and Resource Management System
TRMS Tool Room Management System
TRMS Total Report Management System
TRMS Transaction Risk Management System

[uponit7771]

17. The Rachel maddow show

[SWBTATTReg]

18. Thanks!

[flibbitygiblets]

19. I like "Tool Room Management System"

Sounds like the room where Hopesy "steams the president's pants".

Pardon me I have to rinse my brain with bleach now.

[Faux pas]

9. Why

do the courts even bother with all the hump's legal shenanigans at all?! The have to get that he's just effing around and stalling.

[Quemado]

10. There must be something extremely damaging to Trump in his tax returns.

Otherwise, why are they putting up such a fight?

[Phoenix61]

13. What's in his tax returns are valuations he

placed on assets. Valuations that are vastly different from the ones he listed on loan applications to secure loans. This is illegal. If he had inside help at the bank and they used falsified tax returns his true tax returns being examined by a DA would spell big trouble not just for Twitler but for those complicit at the bank. If he blackmailed those at the bank to be complicit he’s in even more trouble. I’ve no doubt this is what happened.

[former9thward]

31. No.

I own properties and no where in my returns does it ask for valuations.

[Phoenix61]

32. When you sell property you pay capital gains

on it. If you list it as worth 10mil on a bank loan application and sell it 2 months later for 1mil, someone’s going to ask questions, especially if there’s a pattern. I get what you’re saying though, there’s no “asset” column.

[sop]

14. Trump can now appeal to the Верхо́вный Суд Росси́йской

(The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, a court within the judiciary of Russia and the court of last resort in Russian administrative law, civil law and criminal law cases.)

[crickets]

15. At this point it seems like a petty, childish "You can't make me!" thing.

It's the tantrum that never ends, my friends.

[Mr.Bill]

22. The judge should tell them "I can't make you turn them over,

but I can make you wish you had."

[Cha]

25. Show us your Taxes you Treasonous ASSFACE. Treason & Beans.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. So many ideas have been floated as to what's so secret he doesn't want the public to know

My own suspicions involve insolvency (it IS the way real slumlords operate - maximum leverage, maximize deductions, never fix anything, never answer in court), something shameful, historical origins of all that cash, or most likely a nexus of many types of illegal, illicit, or compromising activity globally. You gotta admit, the guy has a hand in everything.

These delays should end. Now.

[Xipe Totec]

27. Why have you brought me here?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

28. Calls for this I guess