Seriously, what will you do if tRump wins?

[BigmanPigman]

Knowing what you know already, will you do anything differently if he wins?

Moving your money, changing your child's school, moving to a Covid free country, moving to a blue city or state, slitting your own throat, etc.

[Dem2theMax]

1. One way or another, I will get out.

If he gets four more years, he's never leaving.
I will not live in a fascist society.

[fleabiscuit]

2. Seriously?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. My son is in a PhD program in astronomy.

Not very long ago he told me that he'd be exempt from a lot of the current restrictions on Americans. I'd encourage him to go to another country and hope that in due time I could join him. And if I couldn't, oh, darn. I'm already 71, and while I've been making plans for my 97th birthday (the eclipse of August, 2045) if I can't join him, I'll cause as much trouble as possible here.

Because I am already retired, money is not much of an issue for me. Depending on how you define it or draw a line, I'm really not rich. I have enough to get by, which is quite gratifying. I would consider going elsewhere, but it will depend on where my son winds up. See the first paragraph.

[canetoad]

4. If Trump wins

It will confirm my view that direct election of a president, giving him one third of power, is a doomed endeavour.

[Maru Kitteh]

42. But it's not strictly a direct election with the EC is it? Curious as to your thoughts

about what you would have? Genuine question, not snark.

[canetoad]

43. I really don't know MK

You're right about the EC.

We had a referendum here in the mid-90s on the topic of Australia becoming a republic. The NO votes won. A great deal of discussion was around the process of chosing a Head of State. Consensus seemed to be that it should be a ceremonial role, much like the current Governor General and Parliament would motor along with the running of the country.

I realise that wouldn't work in the US because it would mean dismantling your whole political system.

[Pachamama]

5. Everything except the last item....

Already have money moved and a bank account and assets overseas, have already an agreement with my children taking online instruction for school and not going back to campus or living there, moving to a COVID-“managed” country with low numbers (Germany) and my US home base is the San Francisco Bay Area in California....

I realize though with my legal rights to be in Germany, I can do that whereas my fellow Americans without residency or citizenship rights in Germany don’t have that option or even the ability to travel there thanks to Trump.

It is my sincere and absolute serious recommendation to all my fellow Americans and DUers who have the means, to investigate the ability to get to Mexico, Canada and residency and citizenship in European countries, UK etc through their family of origin.

Several Jewish friends of mine from College are in the process of applying for German Citizenship under a law that grants citizenship to the surviving descendants of holocaust survivors. (Imagine that the descendants of holocaust survivors who escaped and survived Nazi Germany now want the ability to go there).

A girlfriend of mine whose parents were born in UK just made sure she has a British passport.

A friend of mine just agreed to marrying an Italian in order to have the ability to get out of US and reside legally in Italy.

We need to all think about our Plan B if this immoral psychopath remains in the White House.

I agree with Mary Trump about her Uncle....if he remains, this Nation and our Democracy, the “American Experiment” is dead....

[OnDoutside]

18. That's interesting about your Jewish friends, and when they have a German passport, they can

go live in any EU country (not just Germany) since there is free movement for EU citizens.

[Nay]

37. I am in your position -- due to my mother having been a native-born Canadian citizen. However,

I have never lived in Canada and, since I applied for and received my citizenship when I was a middle-aged adult, my grown child is NOT eligible for citizenship just for being my son.

So, he and his family would have to emigrate as total newbies and do all the paperwork required. He would like to do that, I think, but his wife would not. I waver between moving and preparing an "escape spot" for them, or staying to help with grandkids, etc. I've also heard that Canada has suspended/slowed all immigration requests until COVID is contained. As a Canadian, I could move there no matter what (after 14-day lockdown), but no one else could.

If we stay, we are considering moving north and/or northwest for an even more compelling reason -- climate change. I'd like to prepare a place for son and family to retreat to. But who knows.

[JI7]

6. He can only win by cheating

It would mean Russia and others have power over the US.

[BigmanPigman]

7. They do.

They can hack and bot the Hell out of us...and they are very advanced in this type of warfare.

[secondwind]

8. Moved to the Caribbean last month.

Not COVID free, but my province doesn’t have large numbers. Everyone here wears a mask just about. Beautiful skies, palm trees and sunshine. But nowhere to go. The house does have a nice little pool.

We’ve stocked up on everything as there is another lockdown coming.

FUCK TRUMP. Oh, and we plan to vote from the American Embassy, a four-hour trip. We will go there even if we have to WALK BAREFOOT.

[BigmanPigman]

14. ...

[Kaleva]

9. I'll continue to work adapting to what climate change is bringing. It's coming regardless who wins.

Covid-19 hasn't impacted my life much as some of my preparations for climate change dovetails with dealing with Covid-19 such as having supplies on hand. The only addition to my supplies was hand sanitizer, masks and disinectent wipes which I did back in late Jan. and early Feb..

[marlakay]

10. Honestly I will stop watching any news at all

I will become like those people who don't vote don't pay attention. And I will probably stop coming here also, because it would just make my blood pressure go up.

I will hope for my children but I can't spend the latter part of my life stressed out watching what Trump is doing to fuck things up. I feel like I have spent the last 3 1/2 years holding my breath until we can be saved.

I will spend as much time in the woods as I can.

[Awsi Dooger]

15. That would be my strategy also

Tune everything out, especially news and anything politics.

I'm perfectly capable of doing it. For example, at one time I bet baseball every day and knew every roster and all the particulars. Now I could not name one player or manager in the major leagues. I have watched one half inning of baseball in the past decade, the 9th inning when the Cubs won the Series.

There is zero chance I would pay attention to anything Trump. I'd also be less involved on sports sites because they would be outright jubilant and remain that way.

I follow true crime so I'd be spending more time on that. No nearly as much political talk in that realm.

[Nay]

39. This is probably what my strategy will end up being, because I won't be moving to Canada

without my family. I am tired of being stressed and I'm too damn old to deal with it. All my life I've voted Dem, gone to protests, and now it's time for others to pick up the slack (or not). I've retired. I also am a woodsy/outdoorsy person who keeps nature journals, so I'll be putting my efforts into that.

[Demsrule86]

11. He is not going to win...

[Squidly]

12. Join the resistance

And fight till that MF'er is gone and all who support him.

[live love laugh]

13. Keep living.

If nothing changes nothing changes.

🤷‍♀️

[lastlib]

16. New Zealand is sounding awfully good these days......

[Kaleva]

20. Most of us can't go there because of the restrictions

I can't go to Canada unless I have employment lined up which is an impossibility for me as I'm disabled.

[sinkingfeeling]

28. Except it's not open to US citizens and may not be until 2022. Just

got word today that my 5 week trip to NZ and Australia in September and October has been officially canceled.

[Mariana]

17. We'll probably move to England if that happens.

My husband, our two grown daughters, and our son-in-law have talked about it, and we have all agreed to seriously consider it if Trump wins. I think we would decide to go. My husband, daughters, and grandchildren are UK citizens.

My younger daughter plans to go there regardless. She's currently selling off a lot of her stuff so she has less to move.

The UK has its own problems, for sure, but they don't have Trump.

[OnDoutside]

19. They have Johnson for the next 5 years though ! Unless he is knifed before that of course.

[Mariana]

21. The UK has its own problems, for sure, but they don't have Trump. nt.

[OnDoutside]

22. If they can get to live in England, they can live in Scotland too.

BTW, the UK is seriously screwed....they have yet to deal with Brexit

[Mariana]

24. Yes, we could live in Scotland. That is an option.

We haven't really talked about it at length, since none of us expect that Trump will win. If he does, then we'll have to work out the details.

The UK is seriously screwed, but not as badly as the US will be if Trump is elected again.

[spinbaby]

23. I thought of moving to Germany

I have the funds, speak the language, and can probably use that my parents were German citizens when I was born—I’ll have to look into that. But ultimately, I won’t move because I have family connections here. Maybe I’ll just hoard food and toilet paper.

[Nay]

40. Seriously, all you probably have to do is apply for German citizenship. I did, because my

mother was a native-born citizen of Canada. You won't have to do any more than apply to become a citizen. It's worth doing whether you ever go there or not.

[Buckeyeblue]

25. My tenuous faith in people will be broken

I'll probably stop paying attention to news. Seriously, something really fucked up would have to happen in the next 3.5 months for him to be reelected. I don't think a majority of people would accept those results.

[Tribetime]

35. Yes if he's elected it was rigged we must

Take to the streets not accept the results.

[sinkingfeeling]

26. I will go to one of a handful of countries letting Americans in.

[dustyscamp]

27. Probably go ride a big wave like Bodhi did in Point Break

[SoonerPride]

29. I will move to Canada.

[Devil Child]

30. Continue life as normal the best I possibly can n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

31. Doubt he will but if he did not much would change except my depression

If I lived in a red state I would seriously consider moving to a blue one, but I already own a home in New York State in a lovely rural area where many other progressives also live. This is my community and they are my people so I will stay. I'm 71, but if I were twenty years younger I might contemplate leaving the country, I know others who have. It could still come to that I suppose but at this point the social and economic disruption would not be worth it to me unless things deteriorated around me here to the point where life was becoming unlivable. Meanwhile I would still stand against Trump but no doubt would be despondent over the state of the world, and would personally slide more toward escapism. I would do what I could to be an ally to younger generations better positioned than I am to wage a decades long struggle against the darkness.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

32. Pretty much what he did when he won the first time.

Get shitfaced for a day or two and then continue the work.

[if..fish..had..wings]

33. We are so old that if we got a puppy we would die about the same time as the dog.

I stopped watching news when Ronald Reagan was elected.

I stopped believing in political change coming from Washington during the Clinton administration.

I realized that my fellow 'Murcans would turn to authoritarianism at the drop of a hat on 9/11.

I realized that the Republicans would destroy 'Murca without flinching during Obama's time.

I noted that 40% of my fellow citizens would gladly shoot themselves in the head on 5th avenue to please their God Emperor.

I noted that the entire country would reproduce and consume and reproduce and consume until the planet killed them without enough concern to actually stop.

I predicted Grump would "win" the 2016 election.
I predict he will "win" this election.

Everyone gets excited at the polls which show Biden 55% and Trump 40% without realizing that Trump is always at 40%. No matter what he does, almost half the country thinks he is God Emperor. That's terrifying.



I will keep my head down.

We have already modified our savings plan, we did that in 2007 and survived the crash, and again in 2016 to survive the Rump.

We can grow and preserve a lot of the food we eat. We are familiar with those locally who produce food, meat and dairy.

We have a good friends in Costa Rica and an open invitation to move there whenever we want for as long as we want should things get really violent.

Hopefully, within 10 years things will have calmed a bit - not necessarily gotten better, but no longer so frantic - and I can relax and enjoy my "golden" years.

For the rest of you? Good luck!

I survived the Duck and Cover fear of the "godless communists", Kennedy assassination, the 60's, Vietnam and the dominoes, Nixon, The Reagan & Nancy Show, the rise of the Right, Bush and "The Gulf War" television mini-series, the other Bush, 9/11, the crash of 2008, the opposition to Obama, the endless wars and (so far) "the uniquely underqualified and overblown king of bragging and whining" Mad King Rump, known professionally as Fuckface von Clownstick.

I'll make it the rest of the way.

[NeoGreen]

34. Depends on if we win the Senate or not...

..and if we keep the House.

If he wins, but we gain control of congress, I will be buying stock in popcorn...

If, after November, the GOP has control of the white house and the Senate or House, I will be doing everything I can to help my kids emigrate while 'bunkering down' and mentally preparing myself for a ride in a cattle car and/or start re-watching/reading 'The Road'.

[AmericanCanuck]

36. Trump will not win.

We'll all know on Nov 3rd at 9 PM EST when Florida is called for Joe Biden.

It won't be a nailbiter.

[Happy Hoosier]

38. The very best I can.

I have a daughter headed off to college, and my job and wife's job are very much rooted here. I wish I could pick a spot in Europe to move to, but that's just not happening. So I'll do the best I can in a collapsing state.

[sparky999]

41. I'll get by...

I don't know why, but I have a bad feeling about this election. I hope I'm wrong.

During the next presidential cycle I will transition from the work force to retirement. I guess I will make the best of it and redouble my efforts to bring change to the White House.

And if we lose in fall, I hope 2024 brings a candidate we can get excited about.

[Demsrule86]

44. Oh cheer up. The polls are great for Biden. There is not reason for being so fearful and

hopeless. Trump will go.

[mercuryblues]

45. I don't know about you

But I'm pretty darned excited about Biden.

He already has a coalition of people behind him willing to put in the work to get him elected and cancel culture trump.

He has the support of The Democratic voters. And people like Obama. Have you ever heard of him? Not to mention the Clintons.

Democrats riding his coattails are out raising republicans across the country. Reliable red states have moved into likely or toss-up column.

So I don't know where the fuck you get "I hope 2024 brings a candidate we can get excited about." from. It seems yo me people are pretty excited about Joe and that is a big fucking deal.

You have a choice help GOTV or get out of the way.