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(46,081 posts)Or, secret state police. Gestapo
Budi
(15,325 posts)I hear alot of omg!'s in media & from our highest eschelon of US law, but no answer to my question.
Nothing.
Could the governor call in her national guard to confront these storm troopers? The guard would have real authority.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Would they surrender or confront?
Cripe.
I do believe it might just be in the hands of the Govenor.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)wnylib
(21,606 posts)as illegal orders against peaceful, non-threatening civillians.
Bigger problem of calling in the guard, though, is that it would set off a civil war, which is what Trump wants. Then he would declare a national emergency, order elections cancelled, and call upon RW militias to back him.
Sure, it would be illegal to cancel elections, but it is also illegal to turn unidentified forces loose on civilian protesters. Legality means nothing to Trump. His response would be, "So what? You and whose army will stop me?"
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)is to stand down. Nothing illegal about that.
orangecrush
(19,617 posts)And she's a psychologist.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)But it was good to hear it from a pro.
orangecrush
(19,617 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Watch and see
BittyJenkins
(411 posts)stand up to this shit! This is the brink of destruction. It is.
DSandra
(999 posts)All those gun nuts who fear government takeover, where are they?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)No reason to stop it.
paleotn
(17,956 posts)Suzie Collins is very concerned.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)can't make money on it anymore. In the last few months they and their corporate cronies have stolen several trillion dollars from the American taxpayers.
wnylib
(21,606 posts)for them? They have already shown time after time that preserving democracy is not a priority for them. They would benefit from a fascist Trumpocracy. Why would they oppose the steps being taken now toward that end?
Cha
(297,655 posts)BittyJenkins
(411 posts)You would think Republicans would draw a line somewhere.
I hope there is a great call from the Dems to stand up to what Barr and Trump are up to.
DSandra
(999 posts)Nazi Brownshirts of course.
Mopar151
(9,997 posts)Going after medics.....
These are not soldiers. Or lawful police. Are they accountable to ANYONE?
Why are these "paramilitaries" being deployed in Portland, OR, instead of the cities experiencing a surging pandemic? Why are they giving a pass to the Boogaloo Bois, Proud Boys, and the whole swarm of heavily armed racists that call the Northwestern US "The White Homeland", in favor of busting up homeless camps and assaulting the citizens of Portland?
wnylib
(21,606 posts)but did not get details. What I heard is that someone (who?) admitted that these thugs are part of an unnamed federal force, acting on federal orders. That was a few hours ago. I have not heard anything more about it since then.
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)so couldn't write. THeir purpose was to fight terrorism and something else I don't remember but neither was appropriate for what is going on here and plus they were picking up bystanders.
wnylib
(21,606 posts)from another DU thread that covers the NPR story with a link to a tweet. Cucinelli plans to send them to cities across the US. They are being used as a political police force for Trump to instill fear of danger that only he and his forces can protect us from.
Look up the thread and read the Twitter responses all the way through. Schiff comments on it, too as well as the OR DA and Dem Senator.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)And if the locals specifically did not request their assistance, arrest them for a Posse Comitatus violation. If not possible, the gov should issue an executive order stating that they are not to step foot off federal property, or they will be arrested for trespassing.
Enough of this shit. And unless they're gonna step up and take our side, the cons in this country can shove their States Rights argument right up their ass.
triron
(22,020 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Where the hell are the State Police?
Southerntier
(8 posts)Thats the depressing part. The state police
, local police, probably even the national guard. The militias. The boogaloo whatevers. The white nationalists. The bigots. The Republican state and national govt, the conservative judges in the US, the conservative media, and about 38% of the populace stands with the Unidentified federal agents in Portland. Because liberals, and refugees, and queers, and black people. Literally. Seriously literally, there is only one more chance to fix this. One. One last, best chance.
ashredux
(2,608 posts)Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)patphil
(6,207 posts)Trump has created this; a fascist state where jack booted semi-military bully boys terrorize American citizens.
The November election is the most important election you will have ever voted in. We must take back the nation now, before it is forever lost to those who hate everything our Nation stands for.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)Gestapo bullshit.
But then again, isnt trump also the same guy known to have kept a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside nightstand?
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)to defend our freedoms except when federal officers beat up unarmed American citizens lawfully exercising their first amendment freedoms without committing any crimes.
What crime did these medics commit?
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)They are authotitarians, which is the antithesis of liberty.
They embrace greed and hatred of others, which is the opposite of Christianity.
people
(628 posts)THAT WAS TRULY SHOCKING -- LIKE NAZI STORM TROOPERS. VERY HORRIBLE AMONG SO MANY HORRORS THESE DAYS.
orangecrush
(19,617 posts)During some of the anti Vietnam war protests.
Nothing new under the sun.
And I am so tired of this shit.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It is too bizarre and horrific for me to even believe that it is happening, even though I trust that it is.
BittyJenkins
(411 posts)Especially with John Lewiss death. Things strong are hopefully happening. I am scared.
Budi
(15,325 posts)HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI AND REP. BLUMENAUER RELEASE JOINT STATEMENT ON FEDERAL VIOLENCE AGAINST PROTESTERS
July 18, 2020
SNIP
Last month, the Administration tear-gassed peaceful protestors in Washington, D.C. Now, videos show them kidnapping protestors in unmarked cars in Portland all with the goal of inflaming tensions for their own gain. While Portland is the Presidents current target, any city could be next.
We live in a democracy, not a banana republic. We will not tolerate the use of Oregonians, Washingtonians or any other Americans as props in President Trumps political games. The House is committed to moving swiftly to curb these egregious abuses of power immediately.
This comes after the ACLU of Oregon and Oregon's Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum filed suits against several federal agencies that sent officers into Portland. The basis of the lawsuits is the violation of the civil rights of journalists, legal observers, and Oregonians.
MORE...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-and-rep-blumenauer-release-joint-statement-on-federal-violence-against-protesters/283-7e154979-ab15-4f4c-9e66-edfd073639c0
And Here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213777126
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)After all, when they arrived for Trump's Bible-wielding vanity op, they arrived in vehicles with red cross medic signage. The goon squad doesn't respect the laws of war (for war this is), so why would they honor others' observation of the rules of war?
"The troops won't obey an illegal order." That canard might just be laid to rest at last.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)And serve time at Gitmo.