Boycott GOYA? WTF??

[maxrandb]

This is like the Fire Department burning your house down, and you respond by boycotting the Water and Sewage Company.

Hate Radio, Hate Radio, Hate Radio, Hate Radio! That and all its advertising and enablers are the ones that need to be boycotted.

It's time to stop fucking around and do something about this God Damned cancer!

Everything from police brutality, racism, sexism, misogyny, assault weapons, free-dumb, trickle down economics, destruction of unions, voter suppression, ignorance, selfishness, boorishness...any fucked up thing you can think of... including the election of this fucking circus clown can be laid at the feet of Hate Radio.

When that fuckstick Zimmerman needed a place to go to tell us what a "great guy" he was, and highlight Trayvon Martin's marijuana use and school detention...he turned to Hate Radio.

When the police needed to justify the murder of Michael Brown, they turned to Hate Radio to show him as a "scary black man" who stole cigarillos. In fact, go ahead and insert any minority killed by the police, or a vigilante into this. Tamir Rice, George Floyd, Eric Gardner... their killers found refuge on Hate Radio.

Want to hear women called whores and prostitutes for wanting contraceptive coverage on their employee health insurance? Hate Radio is the place for you.

You want to learn why our social discord has sunk so low that armed dipshits demand sacrificial lives for a fucking haircut? Hate Radio calls them fucking heroes and patriots.

Cruelty? Mocking the Disabled? Putting the "humor" in people dying from AIDS? Justifying the murder of 10 year old boys playing with a toy gun? You can find all this and more on what used to be 1500 radio stations in every nook and cranny of this fucking country.

And yet, over 80 fucking universities still broadcast their sports on these stations.

The fucking local Hate Radio station hosts and program directors don't have to pass through a gauntlet of protesters to get to their offices and studios.

They just fucking show up, spew their hate, hit "plug and play" for their hours of syndicated hate, and then go out and enjoy the very cities and towns they've smeared with shit.

They should "metaphorically" be burned to the fucking ground.

Want to know why there's so much cruelty, selfishness and ignorance in our country?

Look at the fucking shit that we've ignored for decades.

Fuck GOYA! Boycott 790 WNIS in Norfolk VA and you'd accomplish more to restore sanity in our country than flushing a million pounds of beans down the toilet.

[Sherman A1]

1. I would boycott GOYA

but I have never purchased their products so it would be a difficult step.

[irisblue]

4. I have a fair bit of Goya products

I liked their dried lentils alot.When I called their customer service # for some info, they were nice.
However I'll use the power of the pocket book to buy another company's product.

[Sanity Claws]

2. We do what we can

The boycott of Goya is in addition to the other things.
I think CEOs should learn that there are risks in supporting the orange one. That in turn will make them twice about supporting Trump-supporting hate radio.

[Cirque du So-What]

3. Some of us can multitask

Besides, *not* purchasing goods or services is hardly an exhausting endeavor.

[hlthe2b]

5. Exactly.. I find the OP to be self-defeating and intensely silly.

[NurseJackie]

8. Thank you. That's the only rational response to this over-the-top post.

It's harassing and abusive and insulting to those of us who've decided to boycott Goya.

What's next? Will I be scorned and scolded and ridiculed because my favorite charity supports Alzheimer's research? Will I be told to that it's time to stop fucking around with ALZHEIMER'S RESEARCH and do something about this God Damned GLOBAL WARMING?!!

All I'm trying to say is that for an OP to be effective, it needs to draw MORE attention to the problem at hand instead of to the abusive nature of the post. This post didn't say "look at the problem" it said "everyone should look at how angry I am about the problem".

Ugh.

I guess that's what the "trash thread" button is for.

[maxrandb]

56. That's kinda my point

Sure, boycott GOYA, but the harm done by GOYA pales in comparison to the cancer of Hate Radio.

I'm not a biblical scholar, but I remember something about worrying about a grain of dust in your eye and ignoring the log.

By all means boycott GOYA.

I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall trying to convince people that Hate Radio is the log.

I honestly believe that without Hate Radio propaganda, you wouldn't be able to find two Retrumplicans to rub together in a Rest Area Men's Room (thanks to former senator Larry Craig for that metaphor)

[HotTeaBag]

59. You are right about right wing radio - absolutely right.

But, I think everyone here already knows that.

Maybe Facebook (or whatever your preferred social media outlet is) would be a better place to rant about it, as you might find someone who doesn't understand how corrosive the last 30 years of it have been to American politics and you can perhaps change their mind and/or listening habits.

[Jirel]

6. Good lord - we can MULTITASK.

We can boycott Goya, which SHOULD be boycotted. We can also work on killing hate radio. It takes no extra effort to read a label and reflexively buy a different brand. We also can call for advertiser boycotts and lose these stations their sponsors. It’s not either/or.

People taking action on other issues should not make you feel threatened that they’re not also addressing YOUR pet issue.

[lark]

7. I think boycotts can be effective.

They have certainly hurt Limpballs and I've been boycotting Home Depot, MyPillow, Hobby Lobby, Pappa Johns, Chic-fil-A & Koch products for a long time with no sweat. I can certainly add Goya to the list with no effort, especially since we usually don't buy that brand anyway. I can do that and volunteer with the Fl Democratic party and march during the day for BLM. There are so many sources of hate these days, there's a lot to choose from when protesting.

[edhopper]

9. Boycotting Goya

which deserves the boycott, is literally doing nothing.
It means not picking up a can of beans and not paying for it.
We can not do something while actively doing other things.

[Solomon]

37. LOL

Nicely done!

[Croney]

10. I went to the store, I bought canned beans to make a bean salad.

I'm using three kinds -- black beans, white beans or garbanzos, and the huge crop of green beans from my garden.

Choosing the store brand didn't diminish my boycotting energy. You still won't see me in a Chick-fil-A or Hobby Lobby.

[JustBidenOurTime]

11. I checked in regularly for a while before joining DU. I have watched as you and a

couple of other DUers have tried and tried and tried to get this conversation about hate radio going. What is constantly confounding to me is that every time you (and those other DUers) do try to discuss it, it falls on deaf ears and blind eyes and the topic dies a lonely death within a couple hours as your posts slide silently off page one into oblivion.

I don't understand why DU refuses to acknowledge and discuss this very important issue.

[Cirque du So-What]

15. Well, aren't we fortunate

that you deigned to join us and point out all the ways we’re doing it wrong. I can’t wait til you move past the ‘you suck’ phase into the ‘let’s do this instead’ phase. We’ll be waiting.

[JustBidenOurTime]

22. Thank you for the kind words and warm welcome. I hope you continue to have a wonderful day.

[Cirque du So-What]

24. Still waiting

[JustBidenOurTime]

27. To have a wonderful day? I sympathize with you on that, what with

a pandemic and police state raging just weeks from the election.

Try to keep your chin up and take heart that support for Joe is enormous and know as we're Biden our time that help is on the way.

[JustBidenOurTime]

45. Hi there fellow Earth traveler, was just thinking about you. I know it's not easy

to feel wonderful these days but I hope you were able to make the best of this Monday and are not still waiting for it to get better.

I extend my hopes for your spirits to tomorrow. Personally, my love for tacos and my adoption of Taco Tuesday as a personal tradition ensures that tomorrow, for me, will be wonderful indeed! In crazy times like these, even the smallest pleasures can brighten one's entire day!

May happiness bless you tonight, tomorrow, and always!

[RhodeIslandOne]

20. Because boycotting hate radio is something the vast majority here started years ago.

Goya is kind of a new thing that came on the radar because no one knew the front office loved Trump so much. Hate radio is baked into the cake of what we don't already like here.

[JustBidenOurTime]

23. I am not familiar with any proposals to deal with hate radio that DU may have reached years ago.

What proposals to fight the scourge of hate radio, other than boycotting, resulted from those discussions years ago?

If the issue was discussed "years ago", why do you suppose long-time DUers are still trying desperately to have this discussion to this day?

[RhodeIslandOne]

28. Because most here also realize that conservative radio pays for their time

They could lose every single advertiser and it would not matter. They are funded by the likes of the Kochs and Adelson.

I've worked within the broadcast industry. I tried to get a local pro sports franchise's games aired locally by bringing the stations with a strong signal advertisers like Wendy's, Allstate Insurance, etc. I was told right-wing radio was too lucrative even at night and on weekends to pre-empt for minor league sports.

[JustBidenOurTime]

30. Thank you for sharing your helpful insight.

[ProfessorGAC]

39. Who's Refusing To Acknowledge?

There's likely nobody here that supports those shows.
So, how would one go about boycotting something one never tunes into? We are, by action, already boycotting, and have been for years.
A point the OP seems to not know, and perhaps you, as well, is that these shows, by & large, are loss-leaders.
They don't actually make money, given the reportedly exorbitant pay for the "talent".
What would the metrics be for shows, that at best, break even? If the design is to message while taking a loss, how much more loss will the moneyed interests tolerate to send their message. Limabaugh wasn't always makes 8 figures. So, they lost more money as his compensation went up.
Does anybody here have the information to set the loss ceiling? No.

Nobody here is ignoring it. We already don't support it. It's not based upon a business model necessarily sensitive to boycotting.

Your question appears misdirected.

[JustBidenOurTime]

47. That DU would not support RWHR is obvious.

Thank you for your comment and I hope this evening finds you well.

[mercuryblues]

50. There are also calls to boycott

the products advertise on these shows causing some big name advertisers to pull their ads. As you stated their business model isn't to make money. The goal is to make sure they lose more.

[Cirque du So-What]

12. You could deprive every hate radio program of every advertising dollar

and RW organizations would still fund it. By all means boycott, but understand that hate on radio and social media will continue unabated. I have never claimed to have all the answers, but I know hate speech won’t end because of boycotts alone. I will continue, however, because I like to.

[ProfessorGAC]

40. See My Post 39

Just has some support of what you posted here.

[maxrandb]

54. Let the RW organizations fund it. Lose college and pro sports and radio dies

Don't we see what is happening?

"Please stay tuned Saturday at 1200 as your beloved Buckeyes take on Texas Tech, now here's countless hours where we explain how your whore prostitute sister and daughter want socialism so they can kill Jesus... and how scary a 10 year old black boy playing with a toy gun is to the police,. But don't forget...Go Buckeyes!"

[samsingh]

13. you can do both. Goya should be boycotted 100%

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. An irony worth considering

The times when I have noted the most attention paid to toxic right wing radio is when there is an effort underway to boycott those who sponsor it. THEN that media gets negative national attention.

[Freethinker65]

16. Agree with the multitask sentiment. I can choose to avoid Hobby Lobby AND Papa Johns AND Yuengling

With Walmart and Goya I take a different approach. While I will seek alternatives, I cannot commit to never using their products/services.

My cupboard is full of Goya brand staples because I discovered years ago I liked them. Also, during the first few months of this pandemic, often the Hispanic aisles were the only ones with any pantry items left to buy. I am not going to toss what I already have. I am now much more likely to search for an alternative brand though.

With Walmart, I found occasionally the one stop shopping to be a time, gas money, and economic convenience, even more so after the pandemic. I go maybe once every three weeks to pick up odd necessities. I had been soft boycotting Walmart for years by going to Target, but the Target union busting videos changed my mind.

Why any business would choose to publicly alienate a big percentage of their customer base is beyond me.

[hunter]

17. Most radio stations are brain eating zombies now.

There are only a few bright spots left on the radio spectrum.

My mom used to work in radio when it had local disc jockeys, news reporters, owners, personalities etc... WKRP in Cincinnati wasn't too far off the mark.

That kind of radio is rare now. The right wing corporate takeover of radio has infected public radio stations as well.

Hate radio needs to die.

Maybe it will as its audience ages out.

I've noticed how the young people in my family don't pay any attention to radio. They have their music their podcasts, and their audio books on their cell phones and they listen to those while driving.

[keithbvadu2]

18. GOYA is a minor part of the OP.

GOYA is a minor part of the OP.

[Tech]

19. I have never listened to any right wing talk radio stations. I kinda doubt anyone on DU

has. Perhaps someone could come up with a list of their sponsors. I won't purchase from advertisers on faux news, but I honestly don't use any of their products to begin with. If I use something from a sponsor of rwr, I would gladly boycott.

[SlogginThroughIt]

21. I was going to eat today but sadly I have to breathe.

I certainly cannot find a way to do both.

[gollygee]

25. I can buy other beans

It's just a matter of reaching for the beans on a different shelf. Doesn't take any more or less work.

[quickesst]

26. YEAH!! BOYCOTT GOYA!!!

Boycott Goya and put them out of business. Sure, employees will be out of a job, but I'm sure at least some of them are Republicans, so that's good, right? If there are Democrats who work for Goya, then they should just suck it up, and go find a company with an owner they know is a Democrat.

When it comes to boycotting products, why are the employees the last ones people think of, if they think of them at all?

[DVRacer]

31. You are supposed to interview the CEO before you accept a job.

When you are struggling to find work and feed your family. You should first be sure nobody in senior management has beliefs different from your own. Especially when work is hard to find and you are not sure how to pay bills.

I get it any support of Trumpenstein is unacceptable but please consider everyone down the line. They don’t have a say in what upper management says. Full disclosure I have a family member that works for them. It’s how she helps feed her family and pay bills.

[quickesst]

35. WTF?

Did you forget your sarcasm tag or do you not actually recognize sarcasm when you read it? Please read my post again, and take note of my last paragraph. It's the only serious part of my post.

"When it comes to boycotting products, why are the employees the last ones people think of, if they think of them at all?"

[DVRacer]

36. I think you missed my sarcasm in my first paragraph

[quickesst]

38. I did not miss the sarcasm...

.... in your first post. My post was a generalization and not directed at any one person, especially yours. I guess I should have qualified my post with that information, but honestly, I didn't think I needed to. I was also a little dumbfounded that anyone would actually take my over the top sarcastic post at face value, especially given the last sentence in it. Since I do not have a sarcasm tag in my repertoire, I suppose I should start adding a caveat to anything dealing with sarcasm.

[LanternWaste]

41. What specifically leads you to allege no one thinks of the employees?

You fail to provide any evidence at all to support that allegation, so yeah... I'm curious if yours is but another self-validating guess designed only to argue against point no one is making, or if you have objective data to support it as such.

From a historical perspective, one of the fundamental reasons for the Kimberly Diamond Mine boycott was precisely to assist and help its abused employees, as with the Delano Grape boycotts in the 60s, the Boycott Mitsubishi Campaign in the late eighties, and the Firestone Boycotts in 2005.

Each boycott was, either partially or in full, designed to assist the company employees. No doubt, you'll provide evidence this is wholly lacking in the here and now, yes?

[quickesst]

44. Hmmmm

What leads me to allege no one thinks of the employees is evident by the lack of any concern in any boycott thread I have read here on Democratic Underground.

Now for the second part.
"From a historical perspective, one of the fundamental reasons for the Kimberly Diamond Mine boycott was precisely to assist and help its abused employees, as with the Delano Grape boycotts in the 60s, the Boycott Mitsubishi Campaign in the late eighties, and the Firestone Boycotts in 2005."

First, do you have any evidence that the employees at Goya are being abused as with the examples you have shown in which the boycotts are completely justified?

This boycott against Goya is being called because someone on the left saw Ivanka Trump in a picture holding a can of fucking beans.

If you still think my original post is not pro employee, then it has pretty much become a hopeless endeavor on my part to get my point across.

[JonLP24]

51. It started before that Ivanka photo

There was even a conservative buying Goya products he said he didn't like the food but he hated "cancel culture" more. This is just culture war BS stirred up by the Trump administration.


What did the Goya CEO say?
Last Thursday, Goya CEO Bob Unanue was on hand at the White House to announce that his company would donate one million cans of chickpeas and another one million pounds of food to food banks in the United States as part of Trump’s Hispanic Prosperity Initiative. “We’re all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump, who is a builder,” said Unanue, adding, “And so we have an incredible builder. And we pray. We pray for our leadership, our president, and we pray for our country, that we will continue to prosper and to grow.”

What happened next?
Social media erupted with consternation over Unanue’s comments, particularly from those who felt that voicing support for a president who has targeted and openly insulted Latinx immigrants and citizens was incongruous with a brand that is popular among many Latinx households.

A boycott of Goya products was quickly organized, with Unanue refusing to apologize and calling the response “a suppression of speech,” and seemingly forgetting that consumers have the right to purchase—or not purchase—products at will, and are not duty-bound to support a company whose political alignment they don’t agree with.

What’s Ivanka Trump’s role in all this?
The first daughter jumped into the fray on Tuesday, tweeting a photo of herself holding up a can of Goya beans, with the caption: “If it’s Goya, it has to be good,” in English and Spanish.

https://www.vogue.com/article/goya-foods-trump-controversy

If you're upset about the boycott you should blame the Trump administration or their CEO.

[quickesst]

60. Haha

No, I'm not upset about the boycott. I don't give a rat's ass about the Trump Administration, the Goya CEOs, or your effort to misconstrue what I originally wrote out of concern for the employees, who I am sure desire a means to pay the rent and put food on the table. Once again, do you have any evidence that the employees at Goya are being abused as with the examples you have shown in which the boycotts are completely justified?

I have to say that you are putting in a great effort to undermine something that logically, can't be undermined, which is my concern for the company's employees, but if you insist on continuing, I'll still be around for another couple of days while you think of something.

Even if the boycott resulted in a 50% loss for Goya, Unanue will still be drinking champagne and eating caviar while probably 50% of Goya's employees will be out of a job and without a means to support there families. Boycott away.

[JonLP24]

61. I think you're misconstruing what I'm posting

I explained the boycott started before Ivanka's photo. This is both side culture war thing with the right wing endorsing Goya products while the left is boycotting them. It is as simple as that.

If you're concerned about the Goya employees I would blame the Trump administration or the Goya CEO.

I didn't put a great deal of effort into anything as this is my only 2nd post in this thread.

[quickesst]

62. okay, probably my last one

So this is a left vs right war with the livelihoods of 4,000 people at stake. Collateral damage so to speak. Got it. Blaming trump or the Goya CEO which I do, and which is fine, will not result in the loss of any jobs. Blame away! Boycotting Goya to the extent that it results in a total or partial shut down of the company most certainly will. It's simple logic with a dash of common sense. The only difference is, I am looking at it from a purely non-political viewpoint. If a poll was conducted among the employees asking if they would favor a boycott, that, if effective enough could result in a partial or total shut down and the loss of jobs, I wonder what the results would show. I am confident the answer would be a collective, and resounding no.

"If you're concerned about the Goya employees I would blame the Trump administration or the Goya CEO."

Seems our priorities are at odds with each other.

[obamanut2012]

29. I am an intelligent adult and can multitask

It's fine that you can't. You do you, and we will do us.

[GeorgeGist]

32. Get a Grip ...

Francis.

[unitedwethrive]

33. How hard is it to buy a different brand?

Quite simple to avoid brands which support causes one disagrees with and still work towards other worthy causes.

[Thekaspervote]

34. I get what you are saying, but any boycott against a trump jumper is good. Every act counts

And adds up!

[Pathwalker]

42. I had never heard of Goya before thid ferfuffle nad the only tome I ever heard

hate radio was when it suddenly started blaring on the newly purchased used mini-van as I was driving down the road. I became so enraged at the sound of Rush's hate spewage that I pulled off the road and began beating the radio with my shoe. The employees of the place where I'd stopped asked what was my problem, when I told them, they laughed and told me to carry on, and watched me KILL the radio. So, what I did to stop hate radio was to kill my radio - literally.

[LanternWaste]

43. If you are unable to see both the forest as well as the trees, that's wholly on you.

Bad form to project that same failure onto everyone else.

[herding cats]

48. I used to purchase a lot of Goya products.

Now I don't anymore. I'm in Texas and one of their target demographics. Bye, Goya! It's HEB products all the way for me now.

Sleeping Giants approves of this message.

[GusBob]

52. Clearly the CEO of Goya supports all that bad shit

See how that works

Our family is boycotting GOYA

And theres nothing you can do about it

[Iggo]

53. 2700 miles.

[Goodheart]

55. Sorry. I don't get your point, probably because your opening analogy makes no sense.

[Hortensis]

58. POSITIVE commitment to principles and goals wins our elections.

Goya's owner can join the rest of the corrupt bastards who've weaponized the Republican Party against America, but they only win if good people let themselves get taken out by repetitive sucker punches to the brain. Like "Hillary's just not likable" and "Democrats don't care about working people."

And like being distracted from the battle against the existential threat of the new RW kleptocracy to focus on one Hispanic bean merchant.

Boycotting him among hundreds of others is fine with me. But this thread did cause me to wonder: why all this passion against him among so many bigger players. How'd he get so lucky?

[totodeinhere]

63. I do not base my purchasing decisions based upon the political views of the CEO of the company.

Sorry, but I just am not willing to take it that far. But having said that I have never purchased a Goya product. Before this controversy flared up I had never heard of Goya.