So CNN had a republican pollster and an ABC polling director for ABC news on both arguing that

[still_one]

trump's advantage is those support trump have high enthusiasm for him, and those supporting Biden don't have a high level of enthusiasm for him, though they do have a high level of enthusiasm to dump trump


So what is the point? The way to remove trump is by voting for Biden. I suspect the argument they are trying to make has to do with registered voters verses likely voters, however, I would argue that in the polls I have seen, while the likely voter model is less than the registered voters for Biden, the likely voters still show Biden leading

[soothsayer]

1. It's dopey. We saw the enthusiasm at his Tulsa and (canceled) NH rallies

[SoonerPride]

2. The enthusiasm FOR Biden is dwarfed by the enthusiasm AGAINST trump

People will crawl through broken glass covered in Sriracha and army ants to vote against that motherfucker.

[still_one]

5. I think so

[HotTeaBag]

19. I said the same thing and was alerted on for it

a couple of weeks ago.

Guess I need to hit the lounge and up my post count a bit - size really does matter.

[SoonerPride]

20. Hmmmm. That seems weird

That’s not to say people are dissatisfied with Biden.

Not at all.

But this ain’t a case of our side needing to be hazard up by our candidate getting out there and revving up the crowds with great stemwinders. No rah rah speeches or rallies are needed. It’s not enthusiasm for Biden which animated this race.

It is overwhelming historic off the charts antipathy against that fucking toxic orange fascist occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that will not only sour Democrats to turn out it record numbers but many millions of former republicans will join us.

That’s not a knock on Joe.

That’s simple political reality.

[redstateblues]

3. They never talk about the enthusiasm to dump Trump

[still_one]

7. Actually the ABC pollster did refer to that, saying that there was enthusiasm to dump trump

rather than elect Biden

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. Works out all of the same

The urge to elect Trump wasn't there so much as the utter lack of enthusiasm (or distaste) for Hillary in 2016. In a way, Hillary seemed to play the role of "unpopular incumbent" (unfairly IMHO but...........)

[still_one]

14. I think so too, maybe even more so

[fleur-de-lisa]

4. They are ignoring an entire category: have high enthusiasm to DUMP TRUMP

[Satch59]

6. I saw that...they also said the enthusiasm to defeat Trump is high.

No one has to love Joe, (I do...) just vote for him.

I also hope the Dems have a plan if he says he’s not leaving/starts court battles/sends in his goon squads/elicits his gun nuts to take to the streets...they need a plan for every crazy scenario.

[still_one]

10. Thank-you, I just added that to the OP

[C_U_L8R]

8. Crazy for Trump.

I don’t know if that’s really enthusiasm. It’s just rightwingnut crazy. And it’s a shrinking psychographic.

[Yeehah]

9. Anyone enthusiastic about having Trump as president is a crazed imbecile

So, what they're really saying is Biden supporters are not crazed imbeciles.

[nevergiveup]

11. What they are missing

is the enthusiasm for getting rid of Trump. You don't have to love Biden to be enthusiastic about dumping Trump. Trump fatigue has set in. If the election were held today Trump gets destroyed. The problem is that we have 3 1/2 months to go and all kinds of nutty things will happen between now and then.

[still_one]

13. Actually the ABC polling director mentioned that, and I added it to the OP which I should have

added initially

[denem]

15. 538: Why Trump -- Not Biden -- Might Have An Enthusiasm Problem

"While Biden voters may not be all that excited about voting for Biden, they’re very enthusiastic about voting against Trump. And that gives Biden a pretty strong edge, because Trump supporters don’t despise Biden the way they despised Hillary Clinton in 2016."

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-trump-not-biden-might-have-an-enthusiasm-problem/

[still_one]

16. thanks

[brush]

17. IMO Biden voters have high enthusiasm to get trump out.

Anything else is gaslighting BS.

[still_one]

18. +++