So my daughter and 12 year old grand daughter came to see me.

[flamin lib]

I haven't seen them in 8 months.

Only thing is her whole family thinks CV is a hoax, no worse than the flu or a bad cold. No masking, no distancing no nothing.

Now I sit in isolation for two weeks.

I'm 72 years old with A pos blood and minor cardio vascular issues. I don't have the emotional strength to tell them no.

How could someone who sprang from my loins be so goddam fucking stupid.

[MineralMan]

1. I'm so sorry!

[Laelth]

2. Tough spot to be in.

Your daughter probably thought that she was doing you a favor—giving you some time to spend with your granddaughter. That would make it even harder to say no.

I feel for you. Be safe, and may you be in good health.

-Laelth

[Peacetrain]

3. I am so so sorry..

I have family members who are on the hoax bandwagon, and am so blessed that they live hundreds of miles away..

[Cha]

40. I'm so grateful that all my family & Friends Across

the Mainland and Hawaii are ALL Mask Riders for Freedom, Peacetrain!

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[Peacetrain]

43. It is painful to see someone in your own family.. succumb to the virus that is Trumpism

Cha.. painful..

[Rorey]

4. I am so thankful for my family

I'm sorry that you have to deal with family members who don't respect science.

My daughter-in-law's mom is even more meticulous than I am when it comes to the safety of all of the family. I already had so much admiration for her before this hell we're living in, and now I love her even more. We've got some family members who likely wouldn't fare well if they contract this, and we'd like to keep them around awhile.

[pandr32]

5. I am so sorry

We live in Hawaii and many family members and some friends want to visit. There is a mandatory quarantine in place, but we also have a property with a large yard and pool, so they still hint at wanting to come and sit it out with us.
We have had to be quite vocal and clear about the fact that out of three of us living here two have serious health issues and cannot take any chances. The older daughter who lives with us works mostly from home and is careful to take constant precautions.

You must stand up for yourself and not be afraid to say "no", at least until this pandemic is extinguished.
Either that or ask them to be tested first and then agree to take precautions when they arrive. Next time that is.

[barbtries]

6. My sister's daughter, her 4 kids,

their 7 grandchildren, all get together and bring my sister along. this virus is just a minor nuisance in their world.
My sister is in the early stage of Alzheimer's and over 70 but otherwise healthy. Maybe it's better for her to be able to interact with these people at this time, since none of us know how long it will be before she is no longer functional. I still worry about her getting covid from them.

It's so fucked up. I video chat with my kids except for the one who lives with me and miss them all like crazy, but even more than I don't want to die, i don't want to die from covid. So I have my sights set on Spring 2021 to see them in person again.

I hope you were able to cherish the time you spent together, and remain infection free!

[Freedomofspeech]

7. I am also 72...

Haven't seen my grandchildren in Maine since February (we live near Pittsburgh). We always drive there every other month so it is heartbreaking for us not to see them. Our other grandchildren are in Ohio and we saw them once in May (we stayed outside when we visited). I understand why you could not tell your daughter no.
I have a couple friends who think like we do but each has a child who believe as your daughter does...they cannot figure out why they think as they do either. Did you ever imagine in our lifetime we would be living this nightmare? I blame our fellow, idiotic, greedy baby boomers. I am holding on by a thread.😥

[lagomorph777]

8. I hope you didn't open the door.

You are in great danger if you did.

[lostnfound]

9. Does nobody look at international news??

Do people think it’s a hoax all over the world??
So nuts.
I’m sorry. I wonder if you wrote her a serious letter — u.s. mail — telling her that you don’t want her or your granddaughter to go through the pain that so many others have gone through: watching a parent or grandparent die alone because the younger ones in the family didn’t realize the seriousness— would she listen?

Or maybe tell them you want to be around for your granddaughter’s graduation and future wedding and maybe see your great-great grandchildren.

I’m younger but I still worry, and I flew to see my 20 year old recently. When I was asked “am I going to make you get sick and die?” I said “No. if I do get sick and die, don’t feel guilty, Just know that I really love you and that’s why I came to see you. Think of it in. A positive way.”

[Drahthaardogs]

10. I would not have let her in the house

You have a right to do that!

[Ms. Toad]

21. Ditto.

That was my first thought - why the heck did the OP let them in!

We have not visited my 88 year old parents since February - we live less than 50 miles away. We are hoping to have a visit in the next couple of weeks - BUT:

1. I've been mostly isolating; my spouse and daughter take precautions when they go out
2. The visit will be outdoors - with masks & social distancing
3. The visit will be limited to 2 hours.
4. If I lived far enough away that the 2 hour/day limitation would be inconvenient I'd have rented a hotel room so I could get two visits on sequential days.

5. If I was in my parents' shoes - I would have told my daughter to stay away.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

39. Same.

It's very sad, but we need to be safe.

I guess if the OP dies of COVID-19, they'll call that a hoax as well.

[frazzled]

11. Don't worry about the type-A blood

That has been discounted as a factor

Blood type is not associated with a severe worsening of symptoms in people who have tested positive for COVID-19, report Harvard Medical School researchers based at Massachusetts General Hospital.

Their findings, published in the Annals of Hematology, dispel previous reports that suggested a correlation between certain blood types and COVID-19.

The study did find, however, that symptomatic individuals with blood types B and AB who were Rh positive were more likely to test positive for COVID-19, while those with blood type O were less likely to test positive.

“This evidence should help put to rest previous reports of a possible association between blood type A and a higher risk for COVID-19 infection and mortality,” Dua said.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/covid-blood-type

[Laelth]

14. This just proves that we still have a lot to learn about this virus. n/t

-Laelth

[frazzled]

16. I'm skeptical of 75% of these studies anyway,

even before COVID-19. So many turn out to be faulty or totally non-significant. I rely on studies that have been replicated and corroborated by subsequent studies. And I ignore the ones that claim things like "a 30% increase" in contracting some rare condition, especially when the condition occurs in .08% of the population anyway.

[Laelth]

36. Agreed. n/t

-Laelth

[RussellCattle]

18. Thanks for this new information. I've got a few underlying health issuses and the news...

....that my A+ blood type was another liability was almost one bridge too far.

[LeftInTX]

22. Like this?? Just popped up on my news feed..LOL

New Study Says Kimchi May Protect Against COVID-19; Here’s Where to Find it in San Antonio

Dr. Jean Bousquet, honorary professor of Pulmonary Medicine at Montpellier University in France, has published a study suggesting there's a link between low COVID-19 fatalities and national dietary differences, specifically fermented cabbage.

According to a study Bousquet and his research partners published in the journal Clinical and Translational Allergy, countries where fermented cabbage features prominently in the diet have had lower fatalities. He draws attention to both South Korea and Germany, where fermented cabbage is a dietary staple, in the forms of kimchi and sauerkraut respectively.



High in antioxidants, fermented cabbage can boost immunity and help decrease levels of ACE2, an enzyme in the cell membrane mostly found in lungs that is used by COVID-19 as an entry point into the body.

Key to Bousquet's theory is the notion that when ACE2 is reduced, the virus may find it harder to enter the lungs.

https://www.sacurrent.com/Flavor/archives/2020/07/20/new-study-says-kimchi-may-protect-against-covid-19-heres-where-to-find-it-in-san-antonio

Isn't sauerkraut also fermented cabbage? Guess I should stock up..LOL

[frazzled]

29. Um, yeah

I can see everyone is going to start eating kimchi on a daily basis now.
I recently saw that cabbage can grow back your thinning hair (applied to scalp in paste, not eaten).

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Ha!

I actually made my own (first time making it and actually eating any) starting back in mid-May and have been working through the 3 jars that resulted (I literally had kimchi fried rice for a couple weeks in a row ). Have another whole head of napa in the fridge taking up space too.

Looks like they were broaching the subject back in 2003 when SARS was rampaging around the world.

Hoping for a cure in kimchi

By Sun Journal
Special To The Sun |
Jun 20, 2003 at 3:00 AM

SEOUL, South Korea - It is just a variation on fermented cabbage, garlic and chile peppers, but Asians are scooping up record amounts of kimchi, hoping Korea's national dish is really a wonder drug. Southeast Asians are stocking up on it. China has embraced it. And South Koreans, who eat it with every meal, are buying even more than usual amid hope that word of its curative powers will boost national fame, culture and fortune overseas. "I can't imagine a meal without kimchi," says Lee Eun Ja, a housewife, 43, pushing her shopping cart through the aisles of the New Core Supermarket in Ilsan. "I'm making my children eat a lot more of it these days. I certainly believe it fights SARS."

It is the threat of SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, that has ignited the current interest in kimchi as something more than an acquired taste. Like kimchi itself, the science is, well, a bit tangy. Hong Jong Hoon, a technical consultant with the Korea Agriculture Development Institute, has played a key role in the kimchi surge by saying what many here quietly believe: The national dish is behind South Korea's almost complete lack of SARS.

The theory was reported by the Financial Times - whose distinctive salmon tone, some have noted, resembles the color of kimchi in the right light. The report boosted shares of kimchi producers and sent export orders flying out of their fermentation vats. Hong is quick to admit he is not a doctor. But he says he is a scientist knowledgeable about plant diseases and the ways of living organisms. His SARS research was done over the Internet, he says.

Hong says he started at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's Web site, which cites a suspected causal link between SARS and the coronavirus. He then made his way to Stanford University's site, which lists - along with reducing stress, getting more sleep and frequently washing your hands - putting drops of garlic juice on the nostrils as a way to fight infection. Put it all together, he says, and you see why South Korea has had only a handful of suspected cases of SARS and no fatalities, despite its close proximity to China, where the virus originated, and to hard-hit Hong Kong and Taiwan.


More: https://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-te.journal20jun20-column.html

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. Oh my dear flamin lib...

I am so sorry.

Wish I could help.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

13. Did you actually let them in?

Or did they simply waltz in without permission?

I hope you made it crystal clear that they weren't welcome and made them leave immediately.

[LaelthsDaughter]

15. Maybe this will help.

In your case, this is a rough spot to be in. Here’s what I would say:

“Hey, I know you wanna visit. I would love to see my grandbaby just as much as I want to see you! However, I can’t meet in person right now. If you wanna video chat that would be great. In person just has to be a no right now. I love you, but no.”

I know you want to be a good father/grandfather, but you won’t do them any good if you get sick. In this case it’s for the better to let her down gently. If gently doesn’t work, harshly will have to do.

[Hekate]

17. I am so sorry...

You are not alone in this bitter pain.

[LeftInTX]

19. We've had issues also

My son and my 2 year old grandson showed up announced in April. They came from out of town. (200 miles from here)

[LiberalFighter]

25. Who the hell shows up unannounced?

When I visited my parents they always knew I was coming after calling them.

It would had been stupid of me to show up and there weren't accommodations for me. It would had been stupid of me to show up and find they had taken a trip themselves. After a nearly 5 hour drive.

[iluvtennis]

20. Sending good vibes that nothing was passed on to you. Stay strong.

[BarbD]

23. I've often wondered how two of my four daughters could be so ignorant of the world.

My only conclusion is that they take after their passive/aggressive republican father that I ended up divorcing.

Still, I don't understand how the nuts could fall so far from the tree.

[LiberalFighter]

24. Be firm with them. Keep your doors locked.

If you have anyone that you rely on to check on you let them know.

[PurgedVoter]

26. As an A+ with corona rash, I have good news.

The latest data from Harvard Medical is indicating that A is not as deadly as previously suspected. It does look like the B factor may may you a bit more susceptible but worse symptoms are not currently suspected.

[Tanuki]

28. Thanks for this! I had not seen this.

And good luck and speedy recovery to you!

[Brainfodder]

27. Perhaps, they have too much faith in their sources of info?

Arrogant level faith.... in that and their own egos.



I have relatives with same "issues".

[Evolve Dammit]

30. I have relatives exactly the same. They won't make it across the threshold if they show up.

Hope you're OK in two weeks. It is really insensitive and arrogant on their part(s).

[mountain grammy]

31. I'm so sorry..

I honestly don't know what I would do if one of my children was a trumper.. My husband no longer speaks to his brother, but it was his brother who hung up.. My hubby would never do it.

[blueinredohio]

32. Don't feel bad, I have one too.

[brooklynite]

33. My 86 YO MIL told us "no"

Didn't want us to fly out west and visit. Trip cancelled.

[Cousin Dupree]

34. I'm sorry. I know you wanted to see them badly. But you should have demanded that they wear

masks.Because if they brought Covid to you, you are going to be the one suffering. I pray that they didn’t. Take care.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

35. If they try to do it again, I'll help you tell them no.

How insensitive that they didn’t even ask you. I would have been terrified. Are you able to use FaceTime, or something else like it?

[Warpy]

38. I'm so sorry, istting in isolation is no damned fun

especially when the groceries start to run a bit low.

The difference in seriousness of illness in people with type A blood is "statistically significant." That usually means it's there but it's often vanishingly small. On an individual basis, it shouldn't be a worry. It's something for epidemiologists and molecular biologists to haggle over.

You have a good chance of dodging this bullet because illness rates in most parts of the country are low, and we've barely passed the 1% mark in known cases, overall. Things that raise the odds are cramming a lot of people into an indoor space, the more people, the higher the odds, and encouraging things like singing, that produce a huge amount of fine aerosols.

If you don't have masks, get some. I found them reasonably priced on Amazon. Cloth masks are out there, just make sure they're at least 3 layers of fabric, preferably WHO compliant. Get more than one so you can slap it onto your sadly witless offspring's face when she comes back.

Just realize the chance is small at this point. Check your temperature if you feel weird at all. And keep this site handy: https://covid19healthbot.cdc.gov/ It's a quick questionnaire that will let you know whether to ride it out, go in for a test, or go to the hospital.

[Cha]

41. I'm so sorry you have to deal with that along with

everything else we're going through, flamin lib

[flamin lib]

42. I'm okay. nt

[uponit7771]

44. Do this, get a information source you BOTH trust to some degree and go with facts from there....

... 9 chances out of 10 you'll blow their logic out of the water.