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Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:00 PM Jul 2020

First-hand account (another) Portlander goes downtown to talk to federal officers.




Thomas Cobb
7h
This is not normal.
I went to the protest last night, my first trip since the feds arrived, with an unusual goal: I wanted to speak with a federal officer.
In theory, the feds are here to "help" quell the protests. I thought they might want to hear from a citizen. Since Chad Wolfe has not yet responded to my tweets, I decided an "in person" attempt might be best. I planned to put my hands in the air, walk slowly towards the doors of the Justice center announcing my intent, then speak with some officers about their intervention here. "Do you have plans to deescalate this? Do you need help making one? What would you consider a viable outcome, here?" Laughable, I know, the outsized confidence of an average middle-aged white man. Still, all of our elected and appointed leaders haven't been able to work something out, and its not getting better. I love and fear for my city. What do I have to lose?
The doors are all covered in plywood, so I thought about knocking on them for a chance to talk, but I didn't want to alarm them. I think the federal officers must be frightened–they got shipped here from whatever their other jobs are, US Mexico customs, Marshalls etc. Internal DHS documents state that they haven't had crowd control training. If your day job is hunting bad guys, then you suddenly have to defend a federal building against moms chanting "please don't shoot me" and kids with umbrellas and leaf blowers, well I wouldn't know what to do.
The front row of Antifa protestors suggested that I not stand in between them and the doors–"the feds come out unannounced, throw tear gas and beat people". They seemed young to me (it's hard to tell) but were prepared with home made shields, hockey sticks to knock back tear gas, gas masks left over from Vietnam. This seemed like good advice, so I went looking for another route. I will note that they were unfailingly polite.
I walked through the square. The protest was about what I expected: messy and rowdy for sure, but not more so than the anti war protests back in 2001 and 2003. Socially distanced, nope. Angry, yes.
I found the row of moms and spoke with an organizer about my plan to talk to an agent. She warned me against it. "Another guy tried this a couple of days ago. They just beat him. They don't talk, they just come out, throw tear gas and push people down or beat them, you can't talk to them".
Me: "Have the feds ever come out to just talk with protestors?"
Her: "no, not that I've seen"
This became my main question for everyone I met. No one had witnessed the feds actual speaking with protestors in the square. Just tear gassing, beating, brandishing weapons, and pulling people out of cars.
These do not strike me as the behaviors of a police force. They do not even seem like the behaviors of our military–aren't our military commanders in the middle east supposed to have tea with the village chief, hand out candy to kids, win hearts and minds? Isn't that how we "win the peace?"
Perhaps I could get an introduction from someone friendlier? I walked to the Portland Police Bureau headquarters a block away. I had heard the PPB police union chief on the radio yesterday saying that DHS isn't coordinating with them. This seems scary to me, cops and feds, each on the street with military weapons and gas masks, not knowing what the other is doing? PPB is also plywooded over, so you can't see in the glass front door. But I saw people occasionally coming and going, so I thought I would give it a go. I walked up and knocked on the door.
No luck. I could see the guard inside. He could see me. I gave a little "I'm friendly" wave. Not having it.
I made my way back through the protest. More chanting, more singing. I tried to find something one might call a "riot". The closest thing I saw – a few protestors had climbed up on sculpture to lead a chant. Admittedly, I was only there for about an hour and a half but didn't see anything that rose to a level above "street fair" or "music festival" though with an angrier vibe.
I had decided to take another pass at PPB and had walked around the north side of the protest when I heard it: a cracking sound like a building had broken. I assume these are the crowd control munitions they are using. I saw some people running and came around the corner in time to see the feds marching out of the back of the Justice Center. Helmets, masks, guns, armor and an immense cloud of tear gas. The walked the opposite direction, and I decided to follow at a distance. Never said I was smart.
More cracking sounds. More people running. I didn't get far before my eyes and throat started to burn. While I had read a bit on tear gas prep, I didn't want to look like a target and intentionally wore only my regular glasses and face mask, as well as a bike helmet. I am a citizen, and should be able to walk downtown without special respiratory equipment. I had to get a block away before the tear gas abated enough to breathe.
At this point, I was about 2 blocks east of the protest, but couldn't come any closer because of the tear gas. Other, non protest-y things were happening on this street. People were going in and out of their condo. Someone was walking their dog. I saw some folks who didn't seem to get the memo start up the street then turn and walk quickly away. Clearly, one could get gassed just by living, working, walking or biking here.
I had to walk back toward the protest because. I had found a sweet parking spot (#blesssed) just a block away from the justice center, but the gas was still wafting towards me, so I circled a block south and headed west again.
This was when I got my moment.
There was a man, all in black, with a gun at the end of the block.
I put my hands up meekly and walked towards him. I couldn't tell if he was police, feds, or a protestor at first, then I saw "less lethal" on his gun and decided he must be official.
"Are you an officer? Police or Fed?" I asked.
He looked at me but didn't say anything.
He had an immense gas mask, like super sci-fi. I wondered if he could even hear me.
I wanted to ask if the police or feds had a plan to deescalate the situation.
"Is it safe to go this way?" I asked
No words, but he stepped away back towards the PPB headquarters. I took this as him giving me some room to move.
I took some tentative steps down the sidewalk, then slowly made it back to the car.
I can't tell you how disturbing this all is.
At this protest, the only people who demonstrated any concern for my safety, a clueless NOOB, were protestors and the dreaded ANTIFA army. The police could not be bothered and the feds had no avenue to communicate with them. Does this seem upside down to you?
We are not at war. We are a city that is protesting. IMHO, when you react to a protest ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE with some real NEXT LEVEL POLICE VIOLENCE then you create a vicious cycle.
If Homeland Security truly wants to protect our homeland, my suggestion would be that they leave. The protest has grown 10X since they arrived. We should be aware of intents as well as OUTCOMES. And if they best way to do your job is to not be there, it might be time for some reflection.
We don't need flash bombs, tear gas, and soldiers hunting people through our streets. WE ARE CITIZENS. Our ancestors fought a revolution against just this very thing.
The current situation is fragile and will not hold. If someone is killed, then this gets worse on all sides.
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First-hand account (another) Portlander goes downtown to talk to federal officers. (Original Post) Grasswire2 Jul 2020 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #1
Ever notice how repubs in Washington just don't Captain Zero Jul 2020 #2
it is bizarre that there are no solutions... stillcool Jul 2020 #3
Beautifully written. Laelth Jul 2020 #4
I fear Delphinus Jul 2020 #5
I think it's pretty plain that deescalation is not the aim. crickets Jul 2020 #6
Trump wants violence so he can be seen as the hero saving America from Antifa terrorists. CaptainTruth Jul 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jul 2020 #8
Do you have the original link to this? I'd like to share it from there, if possible. n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #9
I went looking and found: Sentath Jul 2020 #10
Thank you!!! n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #11
Does anyone wonder if they aren't talking so we don't hear an accent? Tech Jul 2020 #12
Such as from another hemisphere, like Ilsa Jul 2020 #15
I wonder where they got all these officers and why they agreed to do this to Americans IronLionZion Jul 2020 #16
Good points Ohioboy Jul 2020 #20
Going in unmarked was a ploy by Russia when they went in to Crimea Ohioboy Jul 2020 #21
K and R Ferrets are Cool Jul 2020 #13
We were warned.... Dan Jul 2020 #14
On the upside, KPN Jul 2020 #17
Escalation is the purpose. In service of Dump's attempt to get elected. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #18
Thanks for posting Ohioboy Jul 2020 #19
K&R - I want to get back to this. calimary Jul 2020 #22
Thank you UpInArms Jul 2020 #23

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
2. Ever notice how repubs in Washington just don't
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jul 2020

Want to talk to us. Like McConnel? Just ignore. I think it is part of their plan. Just act better than us at all times.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
3. it is bizarre that there are no solutions...
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:23 PM
Jul 2020

to these Federal Gestapo encroachments into American cities and streets. If there is no solution, will someone tell 'we the people', it's all over?

crickets

(25,980 posts)
6. I think it's pretty plain that deescalation is not the aim.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jul 2020

Good to hear the firsthand account though, and glad to see the fellow made it home okay.

CaptainTruth

(6,591 posts)
7. Trump wants violence so he can be seen as the hero saving America from Antifa terrorists.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 09:53 PM
Jul 2020

It's all a desperate attempt to get re-elected.

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
15. Such as from another hemisphere, like
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jul 2020

Eastern European, or Russian? Or are you thinking something else?

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
16. I wonder where they got all these officers and why they agreed to do this to Americans
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jul 2020

The people who apply to join ICE and CBP are often a bit prone to racism and abuse but this is a lot of officers very quickly. The House Dems should have oversight over their budgets and procurements

Dan

(3,562 posts)
14. We were warned....
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jul 2020

We were told before the 2016 election that Donald Trump was a Clear and Present danger to the nation. He has been proving this everyday since he lied while taking the oath.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
18. Escalation is the purpose. In service of Dump's attempt to get elected.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:26 PM
Jul 2020

I believe he may ultimately be trying to trigger a civil war, to move the country farther in the direction of autocratic rule.

There are NO good intentions on DHS's part. I hope these people understand that.

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