They will announce an effective vaccine by the end of October

[edhopper]

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whether it is actually ready or not. Trump will take ALL the credit for it.

The question is will that sway enough gullible voters to swing a few States. The way the Comey bullshit did last time.

I put little faith in the intelligence of a large part of the American voters, and this has me up at night.

[NightWatcher]

1. They wouldn't stay home when advised. They wouldn't wear a mask when advised.

They're not going to rush to take a vaccine, because they make the earth flat and cause windmill cancer.

It will be a flop on top of all the other flops.

[edhopper]

6. Not talking about the Trumpers

They don't matter in November, it's the independent swing voters in the swing States. Just like last time.

[empedocles]

2. However, a plausible announcement to reinforce pre-existing hopes and beliefs,

could effectively fool enough fools.

[soothsayer]

3. The whole world will react. This isn't a US-only affair

Will be difficult to snooker all but the most gullible.

[edhopper]

8. Like the ones who switched their votes

because of the Comey announcement last time?

[SlogginThroughIt]

13. How exhausting it must be

How exhausting it must be to constantly find ways in which we lose the election.

[edhopper]

16. We had it in bag last time too.

"Be prepared"

[SlogginThroughIt]

18. Rrrrrriiiiight. You are really helping things

Which direction you are helping in I am mot sure.

[edhopper]

24. I choose not to put my fingers in my ears

cover my eyes and think happy thoughts that everything will be fine.

I choose not to underestimate Trump and the GOP.

The idea that worrying about the shit they will pull is just being a negative Nelly is bullshit.

[SlogginThroughIt]

28. Sure. Okay.

[NCDem47]

4. "Under MY leadership..."

Trump will act as if he were Dr. Jonas Salk in the lab personally overseeing the vaccine.

Pence will be orgasmic in awe of Trump's "decisive, bold, visionary guidance and direction."

[Hortensis]

5. If you think there's any danger that could cause you to sleep

through election day, maybe be sure to vote early. We plan to.

Anyway, I don't think you should get too upset about the prospect of an effective vaccine being developed, even if first doses were available -- highly unlikely. It's not going to bring our dead back or rebuild devastated lives and economy.

[edhopper]

9. But will it sway

a few thousand voters in Key States?

[Hortensis]

14. Probably. But what makes you think positive action by

heroes of science will encourage more people to vote for Trump? Hope and relief cause positive reactions.

Antagonism, meanness, hostility, despair, are all dark, negative emotions generated by anxiety and inability to feel hope and lead to voting for the dark side. That's why the Republicans do their best to keep them stoked up.

[edhopper]

17. He just needs a few thousand to believe he did it.

the way a few thousand last time heard Comey's bullshit and helped sway the election.

[Hortensis]

27. He has those anyway. It's the others he's hemorrhaging,

the not entirely crazy ones.

Every day, more and more people know someone who's died or been badly hurt by illness.

And of course every day more and more people lie awake worrying about how they're going to keep the electricity on and how much longer until the rear tires have to be replaced, but how? How are those tricked into believing Trump got them a tax break doing with all that "extra" money now?
Real estate prices are falling.

[Thekaspervote]

7. Dr Fauci has said there will not be a vaccine in that time frame

No pharmaceutical co will bite on one that is ineffective. Not to mention, to have enough doses by October they would have had to start manufacture at the bare minimum 10 months ago

[edhopper]

12. Not saying one will be available

just the announcement that there is one.

Have you not seen the constant false announcements from this Administration.

Remember, the head of one of the companies has an office in the White House.

[Doodley]

10. By then we could have 250,000 deaths already and if Democrats are smart,

it will be much more widely understood that the reason is because of Trump and if they are smart more people will see other nations are almost back to normal with very few new deaths. Him announcing a vaccine won't exonerate him. In fact, it could have the opposite effect.

[KPN]

11. They are already playing that card. They are now in the the vaccine is imminent,

manipulate voter "anticipation" phase of the strategy. As far as building more votes, it could actually work for them, but hopefully not enough.

The truth is, while there may be an actual vaccine by year's end, there won't be a decidedly safe one for a year or more. But anticipation often surpasses reality, e.g., market investing, recreational experiences, etc.

[BootinUp]

15. You already have the answer. Unless Trump can

Regain the voter trust he has clearly lost on this issue.

[edhopper]

19. You don't think a vaccine announcement

will regain some trust? Maybe enough to take a close State.

[global1]

20. Here's $1.95 Billion For A Vaccine By Oct 2020...

I can hear Trump saying to Pfizer CEO the following: 'I don't care if you just put water in those vaccine vials - just have them ready by Oct so I can get re- elected.'

[edhopper]

22. Exactly this

^^^

[hunter]

21. So long as we are speculating, maybe Trump will be dead by then.

It could happen.

Alas the Republican Party would probably have his corpse stuffed with animatronics and all the talking heads on television would be swooning over his sudden surge of energy as he approaches the finish line.

[edhopper]

23. This isn't idle spleculatiuon

it is a very real possibility that could impact the election.

[hunter]

25. The talking heads on the television will swoon all the same...

... he's so presidential with his vaccine.

Television made Trump. Television needs to die.

[SpaceNeedle]

26. If a fake vaccine is announced

The scientific community would demand data and immediately poke holes in the vaccine calling it snake oil. The scientists developing the vaccine have their careers at stake and they won't sacrifice them for a couple of weeks worth of glory knowing that Trump will be defeated.

Scientists and companies that announce a vaccine will be tarred and feathered forever. Corporations don't like bad publicity especially when it will stay with them for the rest of their existence.

I don't think any of the vaccine manufacturers would risk it.

On edit -- the studies would need to show lasting immunity by Cytotoxic T cell studies and antibody retention as well as memory over a period of at least 6 months if not a year. So it is highly unlikely that significant data would emerge before January since the Phase 3 studies got underway in June.

[edhopper]

30. They are already announcing

"promising" vaccines way before it is prudent to do so.

[SpaceNeedle]

32. Everything is "promising" until it is not

In medicine and drug development, of 100,000 promising things, maybe one pans out.

[edhopper]

33. We are talking politics

not science. And voters who don't take time to search things out or even think things out.
Comey.

[SpaceNeedle]

34. I don't think anyone who has gone away from Trump is going back.

There will be very few true undecideds in this election. Trump will have his racist base which will vote for him vaccine or not. No one will buy the vaccine story with caveats - especially in October.

I suspect that even remdesivir's approval will be reversed by the FDA - it is really not effective and I know people are cringing about it.

Remdesivir was approved with a lot of fanfare but didn't give Trump a bounce.

[edhopper]

37. I applaud your optimism

and hope you are right.

[duforsure]

29. Coming from serial liar trump

No thanks. I would never trust anything he claims as truer. He'll pressure them to give him anything , rushing procedures and bypassing most of them to claim this for himself. I will refuse it while he 's in office.

[edhopper]

31. Not you

those that switched from Hillary to Trump because of Comey.

[beachbumbob]

35. I doubt a great segment will not believe anything

On a release of a vaccine, especially those at risk like older voters.

[Johnny2X2X]

36. 100% they will

Could backfire though. Could help voters with getting to the polls.

[Vogon_Glory]

38. The voters might vote against Donnie anyway

Donnie lacks the advantages he had in 2016. He’s a known quantity and a lot of the novelty interest of the lame-stream corporate media has worn off.

The Corona virus is chipping away at his voting strength. Older voters are vulnerable, they know they’re vulnerable, and many of them will remember who screwed up the response for the first nine months.

There’s also the viral recession: the assistance may help voters some, but a lot of people will be evicted or displaced as the landlords and mortgage-holders start proceedings. Oh, did I forget to mention the unemployment? I did, didn’t I?

A lot of mushy Trump fans got wised up: the burned hand DOES teach best.

Also, Joe has an extra advantage. People are angry, even if we aren’t all out on the streets. People laughed at Donnie in 2016, they sneered at Donnie in 2016, But they didn’t detest or hate Individual One like they do today. I think a lot of the 2016 Team Donkey sideliners will come out to kick his @$$ at the polls.

And even if Donnie does have a vaccine come out, do enough people trust him to get it to the people who need it fast enough?

I don’t think so.