The Real Oct Surprise: Trump to Drop Out -Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a Nov drubbing

[Demovictory9]

The Real October Surprise: Trump to Drop Out
Mike Pence to run in Trump’s place, following extensive pardon deal granted Trump by Pence and arranged by Bill Barr.

By Stephen D. Wrage, July 26, 2020



Will Mike Pence run in Trump’s place -- following an extensive pardon deal granted to Trump and arranged by Bill Barr?
Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing. He felt compelled to lie about his numbers in the 2016 election -- even though he won it.

Trump will make a deal with Pence -- just as Nixon did with Ford. You get the presidency -- I get protection from prosecution.
Trump’s White House escapades are hurting his brand. When he launched his presidential campaign in June 2015, he didn’t expect to win -- he expected free publicity.

Pence may give Biden a real challenge. He is younger than him, acceptable to moderate Republicans, loved by evangelicals and popular in Midwestern states.

I predict that by November 3rd Donald Trump will be off the ballot, ensconced at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate, and busy launching a new stage in his reality TV career.

Trump will walk away from the White House and dedicate the rest of his life to pushing two storylines. The first is that he was the United States’ greatest but most abused president.

The second is that he and his followers — the “real people” — were stabbed in the back by the liberals, the Clintons, the Bidens, the Deep State, Fake News, George Soros, the radical left and Antifa. But why would Trump quit?

Reason #1
Trump is too emotionally frail to ride out a November drubbing. He felt compelled to lie about his numbers in the 2016 U.S. presidential election even when he won that election.

This time, when he might get roundly trounced, there would be no fiction he could turn to for cover. His ratings are everything to him.

Reason #2
Trump is a confidence man — and con men know when a con has run its course.

Investigators are closing in on his taxes, the tell-all books from the staffers he has fired and the relatives he has alienated are getting bigger headlines than he is. Also, his pretenses and postures are getting more extreme and fewer people are buying them.

https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/

[captain queeg]

1. I think it's quite possible. Would really mess up the republicans if it happens.

They’ll try to pitch some idea to delay the election or something. Fuck them, let them go down with the sinking ship that they’ve foisted on us for the last nearly 4 years.

[mr_lebowski]

2. Pence can only pardon him for Federal Crimes ...

And don't you have to actually say what the pardons are for? Can a President Pence just issue a blanket 'whatever crimes he committed, no matter when it was or when it's discovered ... are hereby and forever pardoned?'. And then nothing he ever did can be investigated by any federal authority?

Pence would starting off his term looking incredibly shady if he did such a thing.

I'm sure there's plenty of state crimes he's committed as well, so not sure he'd feel 'safe' under such an arrangement.

[fierywoman]

3. What I dream of is tRump leaving with the assurance from Pence that he'll pardon him and

then once he's gone, Pence "somehow" never gets around to pardoning him.

[JI7]

5. me too and of course Pence would lose the election also

[fierywoman]

29. Oh yes! Definitely lose the election.

[mr_lebowski]

11. That would pretty sweet ... and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pence secretly despises IQ45

Then again I can't fathom that anyone aside from perhaps his immediate family wouldn't despise that whiny asshat.

[Luz]

21. That's generous, but I think even immediate family despise

his ass. If he died today no one but ivanka would shed a tear, and that would be for her "poor me" photo shoot.

[JHB]

44. Yes, that would a "too good to hope for" turnabout.

[murielm99]

14. What was Nixon pardoned for?

Was it specified? After all, he was never indicted for anything. That was a blanket pardon.

[mr_lebowski]

16. Wasn't it at least specified as 'crimes related to the Watergate break-in

and associated cover-up' or something to that effect?

I'm asking cause I don't know the answer.

[True Blue American]

18. Federal crimes can be pardoned.

But Trump has so many state crimes he will be bankrupt. His money pot will be gome when he leaves the WhiteHouse.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. I Looked It Up Yesterday

It specifically said the pardons were for crimes against the United States that "may have been committed".
May have been.
Quite the large blanket, and this means there's precedent.

[NewJeffCT]

34. Glenn Kirschner thinks any Pence or Trump pardons

related to Trump, his family and associates/lackeys (Stone, Manafort, Flynn, etc) should be challenged in court on the basis of corrupt intent.

(Lackey is my word, not Glenn's)

[Rollo]

15. Yes, Pence can issue a blanket pardon for Federal crimes...

Look up President Ford's blanket pardon of Nixon after Nixon resigned back in the 70's....

However time is running out for Trump to do a Nixon resignation and get his get out of jail free card.

[mr_lebowski]

17. It was for any and all federal crimes? It wasn't a pardon for all things related to Watergate?

If so, I did not know that.

That's incredibly shady if true.

Trump's would have to be extremely open-ended to cover his voluminous ass.

[Orangepeel]

24. all crimes he committed or may have committed as president

Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-4311-granting-pardon-richard-nixon

[mr_lebowski]

41. Thanks. Wow.

I cannot believe that 'flew'. Seems like a major abuse of the system.

[JI7]

4. Pence also can't win without cheating

[duforsure]

6. I think as a lot more gets exposed on trump

He'll be so overwhelmed as it comes out, he and his family will flee to escape prosecution. He knows he's failing to keep everything hidden, and he knows he and others are going to go to prison . The rats are already starting to jump ship, and abandon him. He won't make it to the election, and the information will crush any chances of his remaining their candidate.He's dragging down so many republicans now they will turn on him.

[Thomas Hurt]

7. yeah, but these arguments ignore his narcissism.

My own opinion, hope it is wrong, is that Trump's narcissism won't let him walk and he really thinks he should be America's version of Putin. President until he drops dead because only he can save America from the libs.

It doesn't matter what actually happens in the end, Trump will absolutely try to remain in the WH if he loses.

This is not a matter of making a business decision, it is a matter of emotional and mental derangement.

[BigmanPigman]

20. He's likely going to stay since

his niece said that his narcissism drives him.

[lagomorph777]

33. No way he'll quit. Narcissists never quit.

[Andy823]

45. Exactly!

My brother in laws wife never stopped attacking people till the day she died. She was a terrible person just like trump.

[lagomorph777]

46. Anybody who's witnessed this type close-up knows these things.

Not meant as a criticism; most of us will be fortunate if we never have to learn this stuff.

[cbdo2007]

42. I don't get the narcissism argument...

If he thinks he will lose then the narcissistic thing to do would be to quit and claim the presidency is below him and that he could have easily won if it hadn't been the media and everyone treating him unfairly.

He has quit at things many times in his business career because he is an expert gambler and knows exactly when to hold em and when to fold em.

A narcissist would never live down losing to Biden, that's actually why I think he WILL quit...it will be much better for business.

[lagomorph777]

47. You've definitely never lived with one.

A narcissist is literally incapable of recognizing any reality that threatens their sense of self-worth. In Trump's mind, he is going to win because he deserves it. If he has to slaughter thousands of people in the COVID wards or in the streets, he is entitled to do so; it is justified by his inevetable win. No matter what he has to do, he will do it. Losing or quitting are simply not possible.

[cbdo2007]

52. Look at his bankruptcies and out of court settlements...

I'm just looking at Trump and his history, and quitting is totally part of his M.O. He has done it many times when he knows that is what is best for him. There is one thing that is too priority for Trump and his narcissism...his name and his money. Losing would hurt his name, legacy, and financial prospects...quitting would allow him to ride off into the sunset and make millions more dollars always claiming he was the victim.

[lagomorph777]

54. You have to understand what the game was in the first place in his business dealings.

The game was never to run a successful business. The game was to fleece the marks: investors and banks. Bankruptcy was no humiliation; it was the exit plan all along.

Being President is the first game he's actually cared about living the part instead of fooling the mark.

[CTyankee]

57. My first husband was and still is a narcissist. He's been in therapy for it for about 40 years.

At a grandchild's graduation I was sitting across from him at dinner and he started talking about his narcissism therapy (he is 86 years old) and I said I wasn't interested because I didn't care. His eyes widened and he said "You don't CARE?"

Narcissists are so wrapped up in themselves they don't get it when people tell them they don't want to hear about it.

[TeamPooka]

8. He won't resign because he thinks Russia can win this for him. That's why we have to win HUGE

When he loses though I do not believe he will go to Biden's inaugural.
His ego can't take that kind of public humiliation and he can't be a gracious loser in any situation.

[NanceGreggs]

9. Pence is too tainted ...

... to gain any traction among voters who have decided that Trump is corrupt.

Pence has also not stood up to Trump in situations where "WWJD Christian values" have warranted push-back, i.e. locking children in cages, and taking all necessary steps to keep citizens from dying from a pandemic.

Pence is, for all political intents and purposes, a non-entity.

I don't doubt that Donald might resign rather than face a humiliating defeat in November - but any thoughts of Pence being elected are beyond ludicrous.

[hlthe2b]

28. I also think Trump would recoil at the likes of Pence (who he clearly believes highly inferior)

--and truly subservient to him-- succeeding him. So, if he allowed it to happen so that he could secure a Federal pardon, my guess is he would do and say things to undermine him sufficiently that he'd not have a chance to be elected on his own right--and that is assuming the act of pardoning did not destroy Pence (as it did Ford).

[WhiteTara]

10. Have you seen his new fence?

It looks like he's trying to make sure no one can get in and make him leave.

[lagomorph777]

35. Fine. Entomb the WH in concrete, like Chernobyl.

Build a new WH on top of the artificial hill.

[Wanderlust988]

12. Trump's name will still be on the ballot

That can't change in October. Remember, a lot would have voted early by then anyway. It's too late to change the ballots.

[Awsi Dooger]

13. This should be accompanied by a laugh track

Who thinks of this crap? Trump is not going to volunteer as a No-Mas president. That would be humiliation. The entire premise is stupidity. Trump is not worried about charges leveled against him. That's a bias from this side. The entire thing is written from the same type of brainstorming that makes Mitt Romney the next GOP nominee.

[lagomorph777]

36. +1. The author clearly has never lived with a narcissist. That is not how they operate.

[jimlup]

19. I think this is a very real possibility

We need to prepare strategically for this.

[no_hypocrisy]

22. Unless this is done now, there will be a notable amount of cast, mail-in votes cast

five to six weeks from now. And no do-overs . . . . .

[smb]

23. No "Real Challenge"

Too many of the MAGAtroid peanut gallery would accept no substitutions and would turn their backs on the "RINO" party that (in the inevitable conspiracy theories) stabbed their Mango Messiah in the back.

[honest.abe]

25. Ballots cannot be changed in Oct.

The deadline for most states is early Sept.

If Trump is going to resign it will need to be done at the GOP convention.

[Retrograde]

48. My ballot gets mailed to me 30 days

before the election. The deadline for changes in early in September - it takes time to lay out, print, check, and mail those things.

So to be off the ballot, Trump would have to resign right about - now. I don't think the full magnitude of how much he's hated has hit him quite yet.

[ProfessorGAC]

27. Disagree On Pence

He's a cardboard cut out. His only value in 2016 was to prevent Evangelical voters from staying home because of PINO's multiple marriages & philandering.
He's not charismatic, has no cult of personality, and would be the "incumbent" of an administration in disgrace if PINO steps aside, and he issues a blanket pardon.
This plan ONLY benefits some down ticket Republics that hitched their horses to close to the wagon. And, probably only a little.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

30. For a pardon

Wouldn't that require that Pence/GOP actually admit that Trump committed crimes while in office? And then expose their outright complicity?

[BannonsLiver]

31. Well we all know what they say about opinions

[karynnj]

32. Pence was not even popular in Indiana when he was chosen

[NewJeffCT]

37. I think it's more likely that Donny throws Pence under the bus over Covid-19

and has Nikki Haley or another woman as his running mate in an attempt to win back the woman's vote.

[maryellen99]

39. I think it's going to be $$$

Promising anywhere between $2000-$5000 a month in stimulus money

[jalan48]

38. Wishful thinking. It's not just Trump who's corrupt, others like Barr, Nunes, McConnell, etc. have

too much at stake to see Trump drop out at this point.

[Whiskeytide]

40. I don't think so. Тяцмр Has already...

... laid the groundwork for a claim that the election was rigged against him. That will Be amped up in the coming months, and will be his fall back if he loses. If he quits, his cult will turn away from him. If he loses a rigged election, they will rally to him. That’s all he cares about because that means ratings for his teevee appearances.

He believes he can tie up prosecutions for years, probably until he dies. He could care less about others being prosecuted - including his family.

He won’t be affected by a loss if he has a way to claim he didn’t lose.

[DeminPennswoods]

43. This would not surprise me at all

[themaguffin]

49. Anything is possible BUT I'll believe it when I SEE it. This has been discussed for a while now.

[wishstar]

50. He and his kids are grifting too much money out of his campaign and side deals to quit

No way in hell that his kids would let him quit and give up the gigantic cash flow of the Trump/RNC campaign slushfund where they are siphoning off millions between Trump Hotel in DC where all the Repub events are held and his golf places where taxpayers pay exorbitant fees every weekend plus the big salaries being paid to Jr. and girlfriend and Eric's wife for running the fundraising events.

Plus Kushner has numerous secretive investment and loan deals some with foreign investors that hinge on Trump remaining in WH at least until next January.

[KWR65]

51. Sigh! This is silly. You can say a lot of bad things about Trump, but he is not a quitter.

[hamsterjill]

53. This is a pipe dream and it's not going to happen.

Trump is all about ego. He believes his own bullshit. As long as he can convince himself that he has loyal followers, his ego won’t let him stop.

Heaven knows, I’d love to be wrong, but I don’t think I am.

[spanone]

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[Xolodno]

56. Not gonna happen.

Even if he loses, he'll say it was rigged, fake news, liberals, etc. He'll try to challenge his loss in the courts, which will get shut down.

Then he'll resign saying the deck was stacked against him, he didn't really lose and the election was stolen from him. But resign none the less, because the RINO's and liberals won't work with him.

Pence will take over and warm the seat. And give Trump a blanket Pardon to sweep everything under the rug...as the GOP will not want dragged out investigations that can hurt them in the next mid-terms.

And those who think State Investigations will occur.....dream on. They will get tied up in appeals, claim they were federal crimes and thus no standing, etc. And given states don't have the resources, they will drop it for easier fish to fry.

Add to that, given Trump's health and mental condition, I don't think he'll be around much longer. His kids will fight among themselves over the empire, dump the name and liquidate all the assets. Then restart from scratch under a new name with an unknown company behind it. It wouldn't surprise me either if some of them lose it all and end up like Ayn Rand.