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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****GUARANTEED FRESH TRUMP APPROVAL Poll**** 36% Approval 61% Disapproval
https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/07/27131850/200781_crosstabs_CORONAVIRUS_CONTENT_RVs_v2_JB.pdfFor those of you who worried his change of tone would boost his standing it didn't!
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,082 posts)This is the opposite of what he needs to happen.
Joe should just run out the clock at this point.
ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)The more panicked PINO gets, the worse he'll perform.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,052 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)Sun comes up, goes down, and it's the next day!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He's in trouble too.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)I would have failed to vote for him in the B-ball HoF because of that abomination.
They had to make rule changes because that approach was killing interest in college basketball.
Shot clock, defensive 3 seconds, 5 second rule.
Three or four major rule changes because of that cowardly, and boring, tactic.
I hope he regretted it in later life.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)With 2 hall of fame players on the roster at the same time!
What he was great at was recruiting talented, very smart kids who could play great & not sweat the classes.
He was brilliant at that.
I also think the 4C cost Phil Ford millions because if his points & assists were what they should have been, he would have gone to Portland, #1. Five years later, he would have been playing with Drexler. Instead, Ford went to the Kings who have been an operational mess for all but 5 of the last 45 years.
Chichiri
(4,667 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,082 posts)B rated, same ranking as Gallup and PPP.
Yavin4
(35,444 posts)Trump is headed for a historic defeat. Different samples. Different methodologies. National. State. You name it. They're all pointing to a historic defeat.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)29%?
20%?
15%?
10%?
How bigly badly will his ego get damaged?
NutmegYankee
(16,200 posts)Those that stuck with W at his lowest are unlikely to disapprove.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)...is the floor for over a year, now.
Seeing the R approval numbers, and I numbers, I guesstimated 30%.
It made me feel better when it had a 45% approval. I looked at it as only 15% of the other 70% approval.
I don't see it ever going below 30.
You may be dead solid correct about 33.
calimary
(81,366 posts)ROYALLY had.
NOBODY wants to admit to that. I'd say about 33 percent of those polled. Yep, they've been "poled" alright...
ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)The switchers might be those who thought he might be fake, but tried the "non-politician" option.
Might be easier to acknowledge you did that and realized it was a bad idea.
If one actually voted PINO, because they thought health insurance would be cheaper & better, or thought manufacturing jobs were actually coming back from eastern Asia, or thought other countries would pick up more of the tab, then one was suckered.
Those groups fit your root cause. They can't admit they were flim-flammed.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)It has no chance to drop to that level or anywhere close. Trump is absolutely beloved within the GOP. You guys who keep insisting 30% are somehow in denial about that. I played golf today with Trump supporters everywhere in sight. There are Trump signs ringing the course and all the way back home.
Trump dropped to 35% very early in his term, when his language and behavior were somehow shocking. Now that level has no chance to show up again because everything is baked into the electorate.
I don't think it will ever get below 39% before election day. I actually think we are at low right now and the 538 number will move upward toward 42%.
Of course, as a handicapper I always value the totality above the extremes. This is not a primary where everyone thinks the same. You guys with the 30% continue to believe it is like a primary. Meanwhile the nation is 36% conservatives. That should tell you right there about the potential to drop to 30%. This is not George Bush 43 late in his second term when even many of his most adamant supporters had grown weary and were no longer fighting for him, dropping approval below 30% on Gallup.
ProfessorGAC
(65,110 posts)And you don't seem to understand what I mean by floor.
The floor is the number that binds the data. It will never, under any circumstances fall below that.
Only 25% of voters identify as R. 92% approval among Rs. 92% of 25% is 23%.
Then there are the small government radical Independents. 42% self identified. His approval among that crowd is now around 40%. There's the 39%.
The I's that can be swayed is like a quarter. Take 9 or 10 away, you get around 30.
I didn't pull my estimate out of thin air, Awsi.
What's your math look like?
Demsrule86
(68,618 posts)depression we face. And Bush killed thousands a Katrina...but not hundreds of thousands in a dangerous pandemic. He also didn't send the Gestapo into American cites...Trump will lose badly. This may very well be a realignment election.
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)30 to 35%. So I don't see him going much lower until the election. He might though.
Demsrule86
(68,618 posts)PNW-Dem
(244 posts)Strange that Trump seems to be hanging in there when his significantly down in the other swing states.
Demsrule86
(68,618 posts)and have good shot of taking this state. Millions out of work here and our pandemic is worsening.
PNW-Dem
(244 posts)Don't get me wrong, that's great news. My point is, why is it even close? What makes about 50% of Ohioans think that Trump is a good choice?
NCDem47
(2,250 posts)So much of America is cynical and can see through his bullshit if they didn't already before 2016. I hope the stress of him trying harder to clamp down with opposite results drives him mad. No Donnie. You're not dominating anything here.
Walleye
(31,032 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I think people can figure out he was against masks and social distancing before he was for it and only changed his stance when the polls changed.
Happy Hoosier
(7,347 posts)Happy Monday!!!!
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)It has to keep going down though. The Repugs will pull out every stop to steal the election.
oasis
(49,394 posts)🚽
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)I should be careful.
He may take my advice.
Stay safe moms!
Good Trouble!
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Get ready for a popcorn shortage. At least on our "side of the aisle".
bucolic_frolic
(43,236 posts)Posted on Mon, Jul 27th, 2020 by Darragh Roche
Conservative Bill Kristol Predicts Trump Will Drop Mike Pence as VP
Conservative Bill Kristol thinks Donald Trump will drop Mike Pence from the Republican ticket in an attempt to steal the Democratic National Conventions thunder.
The veteran commentator linked the Presidents decision not to throw out the first pitch at the Yankees game in New York next month.
Because of my strong focus on the China Virus, including scheduled meetings on Vaccines, our economy and much else, I wont be able to be in New York to throw out the opening pitch for the Yankees on August 15th, Trump tweeted on Sunday.
Aug. 15 is about when Trump will announce hes replacing Pence with Haley or someone else. The timing would be intended to steal the spotlight from the Democratic convention which is the next week. https://t.co/3w4vAfdaOr
Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) July 26, 2020
ffr
(22,671 posts)This is just getting better and better by the day!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)PuppyBismark
(595 posts)After tRump loses the election, he will pardon all his buddies, family, and Pence. Then tRump will resign and Pence will pardon him. If tRump were to pick a new VP, then Pence could be mad enough to not pardon tRump. tRump needs that pardon to avoid any federal prosecution.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He has lost the suburban vote. Especially the white females.
And while picking Haley may win a few of them, she is hated by his base.
She is not Anglo Saxon, she is first generation Christian and still celebrates her Hindu families holidays and more than anything, she removed the confederate flag from the S Carolina state House. His base blames her for the confederate statue removal trend.
And she is young and too smart to tie herself to this shit show. First one to bail on him.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Nor would I expect anybody to buy it - even his fecal followers.
lanlady
(7,135 posts)She'll have to spend the next couple of months defending Trump and then, when he loses, she'll have his stench all over her, especially if he loses bigly.
Haley is young. She'd be better off biding her time until 2024.