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Nevilledog

(51,127 posts)
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:06 AM Aug 2020

Those of us who warned America that fascism was coming were called hysterical -- but we were right...

Those of us who warned America that fascism was coming were called hysterical — but we were right about Trump all along

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/those-of-us-who-warned-america-that-fascism-was-coming-were-called-hysterical-but-we-were-right-about-trump-all-along/


Do you remember “Trump Derangement Syndrome?”It was a cute phrase that likely first appeared in 2015, deployed by prominent voices across the political spectrum to demean, mock, reject, dismiss and deflect the warnings that Donald Trump was a fascist, an authoritarian and a white supremacist, not to mention a vile and dangerous human being with apparent mental pathologies who posed a massive threat to American democracy.

Such truth-telling patriots were called “hysterical” and “alarmist,” or told they were “out of touch” and overly “bitter” about Hillary Clinton’s defeat thanks to the antiquated mechanism of the Electoral College and Russian interference. Those who first raised the alarm about Trumpism as a new version of fascism were also assured that “the institutions were strong” and fascism could never take hold in America — and most certainly not in the form of a proudly ignorant wrestling-heel wannabe and reality-TV huckster.

When Trump won the presidential election in 2016, there were some on the left eager to dance on Hillary Clinton’s grave. A few even gave Trump the totally unearned benefit of the doubt: He claimed to oppose globalization, neoliberalism and “endless war,” and to speak for the “white working class”.

Centrist Democrats and the so-called mainstream American news media also rejected the existential threat to democracy that Trump represented. They convinced themselves, over and over, that the supposed power and gravity of the office would normalize and mature him. He was a “businessman” and a “pragmatist” eager to make deals, not an ideologue — so why worry? Trump was “brash” and “unconventional,” but America’s political institutions were strong.

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Those of us who warned America that fascism was coming were called hysterical -- but we were right... (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
The ones who didn't think or care that he was a threat are the ones that did not support and Vote JI7 Aug 2020 #1
Fascism is a word that's often misused, but sometimes it's appropriate. Poiuyt Aug 2020 #2
:) Those who waited for Trump to realize were trailing the drum so badly Hortensis Aug 2020 #3

JI7

(89,252 posts)
1. The ones who didn't think or care that he was a threat are the ones that did not support and Vote
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 02:09 AM
Aug 2020

for Hillary Clinton.



Poiuyt

(18,126 posts)
2. Fascism is a word that's often misused, but sometimes it's appropriate.
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:26 AM
Aug 2020

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. :) Those who waited for Trump to realize were trailing the drum so badly
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 07:34 AM
Aug 2020

before then they probably couldn't even hear it. But people don't need to hear it now because they can smell it.

As I recall, the usual method of denial was to claim the very definition of fascism meant the European fascist nations of the early 20th century. Those were destroyed, and we couldn't be that in any case, so it's not fascism, or fascistic.

Oh, and of course, the tactic that fascism is "very difficult" to define. Funny how many of those screeds leave fascism in this era still undefined, and seemingly undefinable, at the end.

And what smell? So what if, as pointed out last night, 52% of Republicans said three years ago (how many now?!) they'd approve cancelling the next election. That's not fascism. True, and none of the other classic tactics of fascistic takeovers we're seeing are either -- in themselves.

Btw, most authoritarian-controlled governments that exploit, neglect, persecute as desired, and even kill off their populations are not fascist. Fascism demands organization and control of a dutiful populace thinking and serving as the state needs. I can't help thinking fascism's a huge bother most sensible autocrats could care less about, useful as its takeover tactics may be, especially with automation creating unneeded people in future.

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