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Nevilledog

(51,121 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:15 PM Aug 2020

If Trump loses two more states it's 'ballgame over': AP reporter

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/if-trump-loses-two-more-states-its-ballgame-over-ap-reporter/


Appearing on MSNBC’s ” Morning Joe,” Associated Press White House correspondent Jonathan Lemire explained Donald Trump’s chances of being re-elected have reached the point where, if he loses the electoral votes of one more, he will be out of luck and out of office.

Speaking with co-host Joe Scarborough, Lemire was asked where Trump stands in the battleground states he so desperately needs.

“Both campaigns agree that there are six battleground states to decide this election: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida,” he began. “Now the president has to play defense and has had to spend resources and had to go the past week to places like Ohio, Texas — Georgia is another one where he has to play defense. We don’t see, outside of perhaps New Hampshire, a place where Democrats have to do the same now that the Trump campaign has ceded Michigan.”

“So they can afford to lose one more … they can lose Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, but they have to win the rest of them,” he added. “If they lose two the ball game is over, they can’t get 270 electoral votes. They are concerned about where they stand in some of the states. Arizona in particular has been a place of worry for the president’s team of late. That’s a state hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic. It’s not a coincidence that the president had the governor of Arizona here at the White House for an event last week where he talked about things getting better, played up how the federal government has stepped up for Arizona that was with an eye towards November. They can’t win at all, and there’s no path to victory without Florida — they’re trailing there but feel reasonably confident about Florida and North Carolina too. but it’s the states: Pennsylvania and Wisconsin where they know they’re down and need to reverse fortunes as quickly.”

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If Trump loses two more states it's 'ballgame over': AP reporter (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
The only way he'll lose my part of Wisconsin is if the anti-maskers all die off. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #1
not true. it was reliably Dem for years SiliconValley_Dem Aug 2020 #12
I'm just speaking for the Bug Tussle to Hooterville area where I currently reside. CaptYossarian Aug 2020 #21
The Executive Orders this weekend were a very big play underpants Aug 2020 #2
the GOP will win Florida the way they always do...by cheating... Sancho Aug 2020 #3
Yup. Ratfucking is all they've got... abqtommy Aug 2020 #4
So if you live in Florida, don't bother to vote. Dream Girl Aug 2020 #6
last I heard, Democratic voters have requested 600,000 more mail ballots.. Sancho Aug 2020 #10
Negativity toward Florida and optimism toward Texas Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #13
I agree that we could do a better job of GOTV in Florida... Sancho Aug 2020 #16
So what you're saying is, it's impossible for Democrats to win Florida. bearsfootball516 Aug 2020 #7
...it's not impossible for Biden to win Florida, but they have to overcome the real obstacles... Sancho Aug 2020 #17
Florida has flipped back to Dem in the past and will again SiliconValley_Dem Aug 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Aug 2020 #5
Colorado is NOT going red maxrandb Aug 2020 #8
Oh shit, my map switched it, self deleting, thanks Celerity Aug 2020 #9
Thanks for catching that, I am posting from the subway Celerity Aug 2020 #11
Exactly what I was going to say. KPN Aug 2020 #15
If they feel confident of North Carolina, then they have the voting machines fixed by russia BComplex Aug 2020 #18
Whoever wins Ohio will be the next president. No doc03 Aug 2020 #19
That won't necessarily be true in this case. bearsfootball516 Aug 2020 #20
I agree but it remains no Republican has ever been elected president without doc03 Aug 2020 #22

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
1. The only way he'll lose my part of Wisconsin is if the anti-maskers all die off.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:23 PM
Aug 2020

These people are totally nuts.

 

SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)
12. not true. it was reliably Dem for years
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:47 PM
Aug 2020

he win Wisconsin by the thinnest of margins last time. the margin over Clinton was smaller than number who voted for Jill Stein

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
21. I'm just speaking for the Bug Tussle to Hooterville area where I currently reside.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 03:34 PM
Aug 2020

Every day here is like an episode of Hee Haw, with some unfortunate scenes from Deliverance. Add crystal meth and shake well.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
2. The Executive Orders this weekend were a very big play
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:27 PM
Aug 2020

Something else is bound to happen big in one or both campaigns.
Trump will claim there is a vaccine. The cult will believe it.
Trump’s plan clearly is to keep his people tight and suppress voting by any way possible. Remember the DOJ let the restrictions on the GOP going back to the 80’s lapse. They are going to be free to pull all kinds of crap.

It’s all about turnout for us.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
3. the GOP will win Florida the way they always do...by cheating...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:31 PM
Aug 2020

-butterfly ballots
-hanging chads
-hacked DREs
-manipulated voter roles
-removing polling stations
-checking IDs
-disallowing signatures on mailed ballots
-losing mailed ballots
-throwing away mailed ballots
-refusing voter registration
-cutting early voting
-moving poll stations
etc., etc.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
10. last I heard, Democratic voters have requested 600,000 more mail ballots..
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:44 PM
Aug 2020

...so there's a chance Florida will turn blue...

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
13. Negativity toward Florida and optimism toward Texas
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:47 PM
Aug 2020

That is mind boggling density. One state has 36% conservatives and the other 44%. Oh sure, let's whine about a handful of close defeats in the toss up state and play make-believe in the state where we're seldom within single digits.

The GOP outworks the Democratic Party in Florida. I have reported that constantly here, after experiencing it since moving back from Nevada. The ground games and sophistication and outreach are not remotely comparable. One side prioritizes all year long and the other side tries to cram with the final 2 months. Notice we just hired a coordinator of the Hispanic messaging. That should have been done 2 years ago.

This year is perfect opportunity for Biden to win this state. Just don't believe any nonsense polls with him 5 points ahead.

More than anything we need to hire a team of experts to figure out Florida and prioritize every area and every reachable demographic. It is ludicrous to under perform to such dependability in this state.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
16. I agree that we could do a better job of GOTV in Florida...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:53 PM
Aug 2020

...and maybe Biden will win.

With all the folks on Medicare and the large International population, you would think Florida would be solid blue.

I also suspect that Florida has been the front line for GOP cheating for the last 20 years.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
7. So what you're saying is, it's impossible for Democrats to win Florida.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:40 PM
Aug 2020

Thanks for doing your part to suppress the vote!

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
17. ...it's not impossible for Biden to win Florida, but they have to overcome the real obstacles...
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:57 PM
Aug 2020

...and the GOP here runs wild with election trickery.

Maybe this is the year that changes it. I hope so.

I've seen a DRE flip votes, and I stood in front of the machine demanding that it be impounded until the ES had me escorted out.
I know it happens here.

At least mailed ballots leave a paper trial.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
18. If they feel confident of North Carolina, then they have the voting machines fixed by russia
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 02:25 PM
Aug 2020

or one of their hackers.

doc03

(35,346 posts)
19. Whoever wins Ohio will be the next president. No
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 02:44 PM
Aug 2020

Republican has ever been elected president without Ohio.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
20. That won't necessarily be true in this case.
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 03:21 PM
Aug 2020

Joe only needs to flip Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to win the White House, and they all run noticeably to the left of Ohio.

He could very well flip those states, make significant ground in Ohio while still losing by 3 points (compared to Hillary’s 8 point loss there) and win the presidency.

doc03

(35,346 posts)
22. I agree but it remains no Republican has ever been elected president without
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 03:49 PM
Aug 2020

Ohio still stands until it doesn't.

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