So Russia has a vaccine....Talk me down.

[Boxerfan]

There was a thread here on DU with people a lot smarter than I....

It is purported that if Russia has come up with a vaccine for Covid-19 in such a rapid fashion it meant the probability of them having engineered / released it is almost certain.


I know this is conspiracy level stuff but it is not out of the possible. If anyone has any actual facts to add to or disprove this please chime in.

[sarcasmo]

1. Vlad stole Donnie's October surprise.

[NightWatcher]

2. Or its bullshit RusProp

Like some have said, it's probably little more than Plaquenil soaked in bleach

[DonaldsRump]

3. Probably radioactive tea?

You will DEFINITELY not die of Covid-19!

[dalton99a]

4. There is zero published data.

Zero, zilch, nada.

But it is the best vaccine EVER - very strong and powerful.

[Initech]

5. It's Russia though. Do you really think that they have a real vaccine?

Saying that they do at this point in the game is like saying that you won the Stanley Cup when you're in the first period intermission of game 1.

[Ilsa]

6. I'm sure trump wants to buy it at $1,000,000 per dose

to give to all of his supporters who can afford the $3,000,000 price tag. (Trump gets his cut, also.) Trump says the fact that it glows in the dark is a good thing.

[CanonRay]

14. That comment made me realize

that if it really existed, the Sheldon Adelmans of the world would be lining up to buy it. Haven't heard that story about them jetting off to Moscow to a private clinic to get a shot, have you?

[Ilsa]

36. nope. More Putinesque propaganda. nt

[HAB911]

7. How long before Trump finds $500M

to buy 100,000 doses from Putin?

[soothsayer]

8. If they'd weaponized the virus in the first place they would have already had a vaccine

(Presumably) and would have at least given it to their own people early.

At least, I think they would have.

This doesn’t seem to be the case.

[Ilsa]

9. And this is another reason to be a dues-paying

member of WHO.

[dawg]

10. We have a vaccine, too.

Many of them, actually.

None of them have gone through phase 3 testing. The Russian vaccine hasn't either.

In fact, it's not as far along as several other candidates under development in the various Western countries.

The only difference is that Putin has declared this one "approved".

[CanonRay]

15. And Putin does not care if he kills a couple million Russians

[BannonsLiver]

22. It's the Russian way

They used to shoot their own troops in WW2 if they retreated. I have a very low opinion of Russia and Russians in general.

[2naSalit]

24. Surely would like to...

Kill a couple million Americans.

[Cetacea]

25. Sounds like his asset here.

[GoCubsGo]

11. Putin's alleged vaccine has not been tested.

It's a rush job, and we have no idea of it's safety, let alone its effectiveness. Are you saying you actually trust anything out coming from Putin???

[unblock]

12. in the unlikely event that this "vaccine" is actually safe and effective and provides 70%+ immunity,

then we can have this discussion at that point.

until then, it's far more likely that it's a simply a lousy, poorly tested vaccine that they rushed into production so they can say that had "something".

[roamer65]

13. It's either a rush job OR they had some sort of advance knowledge.

Putin is an utter scumbag, so we cannot tell which it is.

One truth. Do NOT trust Putin.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

16. Russia--what are they most known for?

propaganda or cutting edge pharma

[Sherman A1]

17. Russia says a lot of things

[suegeo]

18. My post speculation, conspiracy, and most def. NOT talking you off a ledge

There was an explosion at a lab in Russia in Sept 2019.

[link:https://thebulletin.org/2019/11/what-happened-after-an-explosion-at-a-russian-disease-research-lab-called-vector/#|


The lab is one of two that store the small pox virus. So biological weapon-type work goes on at the Serbian ? lab.

The puppet was rushed to Walter Reed for "the first part of a physical", I guess shortly thereafter. It was never explained, and the GOP lies lies lies.

There was a thread on Twitter by someone (Soychicka?) that there was a group of Italian scientists was in Russia for some reason, a reason I've forgotten. But there was a link to Europe/Italy and Russia.

Again, speculation. But what else can I do--with a Soviet puppet in the WH and a Senate collaborating with the Russians--other than speculate.

Senate is run by McConnel, who has an aluminum deal with an Russian/Ukrainian oligarch. And Ron Johnson, a dick senator from WI, is spreading Russian propaganda, etc. etc.

[hedda_foil]

20. We don't need this kind of Q-type dot linking here.

[suegeo]

35. Russia Starts Testing Potential Coronavirus Vaccine

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2020, 03:19 PM - Edit history (1)

So that explosion at Vector (Fall 2019) didn't slow them down.

[link:https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/17/russia-starts-testing-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-a69652|

Russian scientists have begun to test vaccine prototypes for the new coronavirus, and plan to present the most effective one by June, a laboratory chief at a state biotech institute said.

Russia has reported 93 cases of infection but no deaths, according to official numbers published Tuesday.

"The prototypes have been created. We are starting laboratory testing on animals, to ensure effectiveness and safety," Ilnaz Imatdinov of the Vector Institute in Siberia told the Vesti Novosibirsk television channel on Monday.

"In June we will present one or two showing the best results."

Vector Institute is a state virology and biotechnology center in Novosibirsk, which previously worked on vaccines for the Ebola virus.

Thing that make me go huummmmm. Connect the dots, la la la.

[hunter]

21. If Russia wants to experiment on their own people we can't stop them.

Russia is a mess. This virus has been a disaster for them, much as it's been a disaster here in the U.S.A..

This vaccine, whether effective or not, is being promoted in Russia to reduce the threat of widespread civil unrest.

I don't think it's about us.

There's a tendency in the U.S.A. to think everything is about us.

[AleksS]

23. My bet is that it's nothing but water that

Russia can sell to the US for a billion dollars using their willing orange tool, as a quick cash grab as Donnie two-scoops is voted out the door.

It’s a scam and a con to steal money from the US and Donnie is going to go right along with it.

[2naSalit]

26. It's BS.

Another squirrel to chase after, means nothing but bluster.

[greenjar_01]

27. 1. They didn't engineer it. 2. They don't have a vaccine

[panader0]

28. Sure they do. Russia has an aircraft carrier too. One. It had to be towed to get repaired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov

[brooklynite]

29. The basis of your conspiracy is that Russia can be trusted when it says it has a working vaccine...

Think about that for a minute.

[Greybnk48]

30. Typical. Russian. Bullshit.

This is what they do. They have nothing, and no money.

[HotTeaBag]

31. How does it follow that if they have developed a vaccine (dubious claim), that it's almost certain

that they 'engineered/released' it?

[Hav]

32. Let's be clear what the reason for this kind of thinking is:

It's ignorance, the starting point of every conspiracy theory.

[HotTeaBag]

33. Yeah, I get that - I just didn't expect to find 'Plandemic-ish' type stuff here.

Figured that collectively DU was a touch more enlightened.

[Act_of_Reparation]

37. Nonsense.

COVID-19 was not designed. Here's how we know: https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2020/03/28/where-did-sars-cov-2-come-from/

The virus has other similarities to coronaviruses in other animals; it’s not a de novo construct, but is a member of a large family of viruses. The modification to the spike protein is unusual. It works, but it’s not one that scientific experts would have used — they would have used something that would have been previously modeled. Then also bioengineers have lots of clever tools that could be used to stuff a desired sequence into a virus, but they all leave tool marks, little scraps of the molecule used to do the replacement. Those marks aren’t there. The best explanation is that we’re just seeing natural selection amplifying random variations in the spike.

[Xolodno]

38. Did they create the virus? Oh hell no.

But, unlike the pumpkin in the oval office...they took this shit seriously. Before China even admitted they had a problem, Russia sealed its border with them. They actually believe in their intelligence services...imagine that?! And probably started working on a vaccine immediately, despite looking like they were going to come out of this fairly well.

Where they fucked up at, was Iran. Because Russia, China and Iran have close relations, Iran got hit pretty hard and by the time Russia reacted, it was too late.

I suspected they would have a vaccine a bit early because, one, they were already working on it. And two, they are willing to take on more risk with incomplete studies. But they did hack into other countries developing a vaccine. But I suspect its more like the spying done during the Manhattan Project. Just looking for confirmation that they were on the right track.

With that said, I still canceled our plans to visit Russia next year. Decided it would be safer to visit Cancun, we'll do Russia after that.