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Hit piece in the NYT? (Original Post) CTyankee Aug 2020 OP
Definitely a hit piece Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #1
I was wondering if he found out something we don't know... CTyankee Aug 2020 #4
Just the tip of the OPO iceberg. Zoonart Aug 2020 #2
bret stephens... spanone Aug 2020 #3
That is exactly what I was going to point out, his climate denying change bullshit. One of the still_one Aug 2020 #6
I did the same earlier this year... spanone Aug 2020 #8
I guess great minds think alike still_one Aug 2020 #11
I've really enjoyed the WP spanone Aug 2020 #12
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2020 #26
People are commenting about this on Twitter Mike 03 Aug 2020 #5
The Bedbug Guy Kid Berwyn Aug 2020 #7
It's an op ed frazzled Aug 2020 #9
It doesn't matter who Joe picks thinkingagain Aug 2020 #10
"He can't even swim! Walks on water" soothsayer Aug 2020 #17
Exactly thinkingagain Aug 2020 #29
I don't believe it is going to be Susan Rice.... Pachamama Aug 2020 #13
Opinions are like assholes... Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #14
A hit piece, but all appears to be true - just facts being used to go after her. HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #15
I didn't realize how deep the hit could be with Rice. I supported her for her foreign policy cred CTyankee Aug 2020 #18
I'll admit to being taken aback by the piece as well. HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #22
Kamala Harris won't be a walk in the park either. Nobody in public life is stainless...or made to CTyankee Aug 2020 #25
Yeah, Joe is kind of in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't position. HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #27
We'll find out soon, then we can steel ourselves for further hits. CTyankee Aug 2020 #28
Here We Go Again Me. Aug 2020 #16
A New York Times columnist can't find fresher material? CTyankee Aug 2020 #19
Are you looking for the Times to offer only liberal opinions that you agree with? brooklynite Aug 2020 #20
Oh, I know, I know...but I gotta take that shot... CTyankee Aug 2020 #21
Yeah, pretty much. Paladin Aug 2020 #24
There will be hit pieces on WHOMEVER Biden chooses SoonerPride Aug 2020 #23
Meh. Foreign policy is a tricky business. BusyBeingBest Aug 2020 #30

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
4. I was wondering if he found out something we don't know...
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 10:47 AM
Aug 2020

then I read his bio. He is bound to do this, as a conservative. He wants to undermine her on the day that she might be chosen.

But this is a warning. These guys don't play nice.

spanone

(135,835 posts)
3. bret stephens...
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 10:46 AM
Aug 2020

The New York Times should not have hired climate change bullshitter Bret Stephens

May 1, 2017, 9:30am EDT

Earlier this month, the New York Times hired conservative Bret Stephens, longtime writer for the Wall Street Journal, as a columnist for its opinion page.

It really shouldn’t have.

For one thing, though the paper defends the hire in the name of opinion diversity, Stephens is a very familiar sort of establishment conservative — a cosmopolitan, well-educated, reflexively pro-Israel war hawk (who once wrote a column on “the disease of the Arab mind”) who thinks anti-racists are the real racists but moderates on select issues to demonstrate his independence.

It is difficult to imagine a perspective more over-represented in DC political circles, at least relative to its representation in the actual conservative movement. In terms of intellectual contribution, his main credential seems to be that he has opposed Donald Trump.


https://www.vox.com/2017/5/1/15482698/new-york-times-bret-stephens

still_one

(92,190 posts)
6. That is exactly what I was going to point out, his climate denying change bullshit. One of the
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 10:49 AM
Aug 2020

several reasons I dropped my subscription to the NYT and switched to the WP


frazzled

(18,402 posts)
9. It's an op ed
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 10:51 AM
Aug 2020

The editorial pages publish a spectrum of views from lefty to conservative voices from op ed columnists. That's what "opinion" means. We can agree or disagree with those opinions.

Once we start demanding that only certain opinions are publishable, we're going down the rabbit hole. Let's get over it: Times readers are smart enough to form their own opinions about columnists' opinions.

thinkingagain

(906 posts)
10. It doesn't matter who Joe picks
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 10:51 AM
Aug 2020

Things like this will come out as trying to destroy the persons reputation.
Heck even if Joe picked Jesus as his running mate we could expect to see things like.
“ seriously the man never shaves.”
“ but he was a criminal they brought him up on charges”
“ he is wacky spent 40 days in the desert”
And of course
“ He was crucified I like people who weren’t crucified”

So expect trashing to happen and be prepared to defend or ignore the fake stuff.

I believe Joes got it handled and is ready and so is his pick.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
13. I don't believe it is going to be Susan Rice....
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 10:56 AM
Aug 2020

So Bret Stephens just wasted his effort to smear the future the VP...

I do believe she will however be future Sec Of State....

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
15. A hit piece, but all appears to be true - just facts being used to go after her.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:07 AM
Aug 2020

If it's this easy to take her record down, why would Joe want to have to deal with it moving into the election?

Seems like an unnecessary burden - more prudent to go with someone as VP with less baggage that can be so easily attacked.

Just bring her into the administration when it's all over.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. I didn't realize how deep the hit could be with Rice. I supported her for her foreign policy cred
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:16 AM
Aug 2020

and the fact that her presence reminds folks of the good Obama admin. Now I see exactly where they are going to attack her.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
22. I'll admit to being taken aback by the piece as well.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:25 AM
Aug 2020

I've been a big supporter of her for the last few weeks based mostly on her appearances on MSNBC and the like and just figured they'd go after Benghazi if Joe picked her, which has been adjudicated over and over and would be relatively easy to manage.

But there's so much more fertile ground for attack that even though I think she'd be a great asset to the Biden Administration, I'm not so sure that picking her as VP would be the best course of action (though I admittedly know next to nothing).

Having Susan Rice on the ticket would be a shiny object for Trump campaign (and more importantly, the media) to go after rather than focusing on the disaster that has been the last three and a half years of Donald Trump in the White House.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. Kamala Harris won't be a walk in the park either. Nobody in public life is stainless...or made to
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:35 AM
Aug 2020

seem so. The closest we got was Obama. No extramarital affairs, no grifting, etc. He was damn near perfect, in that respect. They didn't like some things he wrote but he didn't call for riots in the street. So here we are.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
27. Yeah, Joe is kind of in a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't position.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:39 AM
Aug 2020

There isn't a single 'home run' on his short list as it's being reported. Though my hope is still for Warren - though it seems to be fading fast.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
28. We'll find out soon, then we can steel ourselves for further hits.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 12:31 PM
Aug 2020

This won't be pretty but I think we'll win. Gotta be ready with legal teams ready to stop what they can of the cheating attempts. I trust that Biden's team has got what it takes to do just that.

Paladin

(28,261 posts)
24. Yeah, pretty much.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:31 AM
Aug 2020

If they have to give right-wing spewers a platform, they can sure as hell do better than douchebags like Bret Stephens or Ross Douthat.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
23. There will be hit pieces on WHOMEVER Biden chooses
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 11:31 AM
Aug 2020

Expect tons of "serious think pieces" taking the knives to whoever his running mate is.

There will be tons of concern trolling and outright lies spewed.

Brace yourself.

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
30. Meh. Foreign policy is a tricky business.
Tue Aug 11, 2020, 01:44 PM
Aug 2020

I mean, Bob Gates said Biden has been wrong on every foreign policy decision, ever. So I guess he shouldn't accept the nomination, then?

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