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(5,640 posts)I wish she had more time to speak.
A minute to win it!
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Ocasio-Cortez, an early endorser of Bernie Sanders' presidential bid, will be part of a segment nominating the senator from Vermont at the convention on Tuesday night, the officials said, and she also will be featured in a video airing on Wednesday. The congresswoman's participation further highlights the Biden campaign's efforts to bring the progressive wing of the party into the fold.
New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro will also have roles in next week's event, Democratic officials tell CNN. While the exact schedule is still being finalized, the lineup comes as the party seeks to highlight the diversity of its members and supporters as Joe Biden officially becomes its presidential nominee.
Gov. Lujan Grisham and Sen. Cortez Masto, who were among the early names mentioned as possible contenders for the Democratic vice presidential nomination, will have individual speaking slots at the convention along with California Secretary of State Alex Padilla, who endorsed Biden during the primaries.
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, who delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2012, will be part of a segment featuring former 2020 presidential candidates.
Several Latino elected officials who endorsed Biden during the primary will also have roles in the convention -- Nevada state Sen. Yvanna Cancela, Long Beach, California, Mayor Robert Garcia and Texas state Rep. Victoria Neave.
"Latinos are an integral part of the fabric of this nation, which is why we are making significant efforts to ensure Latino voices and experiences are highlighted throughout the Democratic National Convention," said Julie Chávez Rodriguez, a senior adviser to the Biden campaign.
Her classy and authentic tweet might have mentioned how honored she is to be a speaker among such distinguished company. We have many fine, honorable Hispanic members of congress, of course. Ocasio-Cortez's supporters should be pleased that she's been given speaking time because it's all about them.
cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)Gee, and I thought I had said something nice for once...I can't seem to do anything right.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)does a freshman congressperson expect that she should be given ANY time to speak at the convention?
JoeOtterbein
(7,701 posts)...Kamala's VP in 2024!
Upthevibe
(8,051 posts)less than one month before the election that year,. It will be November 5th, 2024- AOC turns 35 on October 10, 2024....
JoeOtterbein
(7,701 posts)Jan. 20 2025.
I can't wait!
Celerity
(43,382 posts)when she would be sworn in.
Buttigieg was born January 19th, 1982, so technically he could have run in 2016 and made it by one day.
Biden (born November 20, 1942) turned 30 after his first Senate election in 1972, but before January 3rd, when Congress is sworn in.
George II
(67,782 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)it will be Gretchen Whitmer.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)or Ocasio-Cortez would have to join the ruling RW cabal and start there if she wanted to stay in politics without risking prison.
Let's face it, the little LW class-warfare revolution isn't even a player as RW authoritarianism surges. With the way the RW's purging women from power, though, I wouldn't hold out much hope for her chances of matching her current position, much less bettering it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)babylonsister
(171,066 posts)She sounds grateful.
And she is very popular and smart as a whip. I wish she had more time.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)not just voters in one, typically gerrymandered congressional district.
Voltaire2
(13,037 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)about her particular district, by all means look it up.
The point is that ALL candidates for the senate have to appeal to a much, much, much broader range of voters, or they won't get elected. Upper NY is famously conservative, for instance.
At this point, it may be unpleasant to admit it, but she's really a niche product. Among 235 Democrats, her "quad" is currently a trid as Ayanna Pressley quietly mostly disassociated; in the new year it will once again presumably be a quad, and who knows, maybe even a quid.
If Ms. Ocasio-Cortez wanted someday to run for the senate in NY, she would have to become more of a Schumer or a Clinton. She's already joined the roughly 100-strong Democratic House Progressive Caucus that Sanders (before) and the Only True Progressives claim doesn't exist and is corrupt anyway. And now she's one of them, even if she doesn't talk about it to her non-constituent donor base. So...we'll see.
Voltaire2
(13,037 posts)insinuation that Ocasio-Cortez represents a Gerrymandered district.
Well done.
lapucelle
(18,258 posts)We've sent Republicans to both the senate and to the statehouse, and they served very long terms.
still_one
(92,190 posts)lapucelle
(18,258 posts)snip==================================================================================
Biden will speak Thursday night, and the focus will be on what he offers as a candidate. Besides Newsom, speakers will include Bidens family and former 2020 presidential candidates Sen. Cory Booker and Pete Buttigieg.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-Kamala-Harris-Nancy-Pelosi-get-15475215.php
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JudyM
(29,250 posts)When I read that shed only been granted a minute I thought shell do great if she thinks like a poet. She is way ahead of most of us.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)She's parlayed her position into a level of celebrity and is certainly more influential than the average congressperson--even veterans.
In fact, I'd wager more people could name AOC than could name more than 1-2 veteran congresspeople from their own state.
She sets right-wingers heads on fire like virtually no one else. That fact ALONE could have justified more AOC time at the convention.
She motivates people, brings "cool" to the convention, and drives right-wingers crazy. In addition to all that, she ALSO happens to be a freshman congressperson. Glad she gets a minute, wouldn't have thought it inappropriate for her to have more time either.
...one googleplex!
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)I loved that dance vid with her college buddies. That was cool, and the GOP tried to use it against her. Remember how bad that backfired on them?
And her speaking truth to power, how she handles herself on the floor - those are inspiring. A great future has AOC.
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the difference they're able to make in the lives of their constituents. Sharice Davids is a fine example of someone who spends much of her time at home, listening to her constituents, and working for them... being available for them... and improving their lives. She's one of the most impressive congressional freshmen I've seen. She's all about the work... she's about results. She doesn't need fame or celebrity or limelight. The thanks she gets from her constituents is enough for her. I like politicians like that.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)AleksS
(1,665 posts)I however like convention speakers to be exciting, motivational, enthusiastic, fired-up, popular, and yes, celebrity.
I also dont have a problem with a politician ALSO being a celebrity if theyre also doing the job for their constituents. Which the constituents can decide by re-electing or not re-electing their representatives. Its not an either-or scenario.
Ambition is not a bad thing. Women especially are targeted as being too ambitious far too often. I remember when the same criticism was levied against HRC when she was First Lady. And against Kamala Harris, and against basically every woman whos self-promoted. We need ambitious women. Its not a bad thing.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)AleksS
(1,665 posts)People we want to energize voters, drive turnout, and motivate our people.
I wasnt aware laws were being made at the DNC? I was under the impression its a Democratic National Convention whose purpose is to motivate and drive enthusiasm among democratic voters.
Ill go rewatch my schoolhouse rock video on How a bill becomes a law and see if I missed the part about speaking opportunities at the national party conventions.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)If it helps to sell the party, its candidates and agenda.
Malmsy
(297 posts)Speaker Pelosi was considered a bad choice by many on DU for Speaker for that very reason.
She is a freshman congressperson. Whatever reason she's been given that length of time, that's what she has accepted.
Others are free to give up some of their time to give her, I would imagine.
It's not like the Convention is the only place she has a mic. I don't think that giving her a longer time is going to make anyone who doesn't think conventions are "cool" to change their mind.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)I thought that was Joe Biden this year?
I thought this was about a speaking role at the DNC? A chance to hype and drive enthusiasm?
Shes got a minute. Which is fine, but certainly, as a firebrand, energetic, well known, cool, diverse, female, Latina face of the Democratic Party, a compelling case could certainly have been made to give her more time. I certainly wouldnt have argued against giving her more time.
Malmsy
(297 posts)I gave a very relevant example of how disastrous that is.
justgamma
(3,666 posts)lapucelle
(18,258 posts)not one of a group all of whom were allotted one minute.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I don't see AOC boycotting the gig out of outrage.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She has declined debates with primary challengers.
She has not declined an opportunity to speak even if it's for one minute at the convention. She apparently feels that it's worth it, even if it's not as long as she wanted.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And was an unparalleled speaker, even then - which is why he was given a keynote address.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)the invitation.
So it appears that she had expectations of more.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)Do you think when Dr. Mays wrote it, he was expressing disappointment and ingratitude?
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)when it come to Representative Ocasio-Cortez. Frequently to the point of absurdity.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)despite one's need to see them.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)because of what she stood for and said, but when she was tested in executive leadership, something else altogether became apparent.
No, I am not comparing AOC and Aung San Suu Kyi, but pointing out that sometimes exceptional hype and celebrity for someone who is just becoming known may become a exceptional disappointment when the demands of higher office become reality.
I remember being at Bill Clinton's inauguration with all of the hope and excitement after 12 years of Reagan and GHWB, and thinking, "This is an awful lot of expectation and adoration being heaped on him. If he makes one mistake, it will be pounced on by his enemies, and the disappointment will be outsized. Let's hope hubris this could inspire doesn't trip him up and make him feel invincible."
The fall from the pedestal is usually particularly vilified in women.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)with the depth and prescience you bring to every discussion. Now that I know how amazing you are i will want to pay rapt attention to your evey opinion. Or something.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm married.
Sorry. Or something.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,431 posts)from Illinois gave the keynote at a Democratic convention. That worked out well, don't you think?
murielm99
(30,741 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,431 posts)There's nothing wrong with coming from a working-class background, holding low-paying jobs, and becoming a success.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)She grandstands. Obama worked hard. He did not seek publicity for himself. I find it insulting to Obama to compare the two of them in any way.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,431 posts)in different ways. It's not an insult to think she might emulate the success and competence of someone like Obama. AOC has proved herself in the last two years, she's also more than just a "freshman" or "celebrity".
murielm99
(30,741 posts)Anyway, I would rather spend my time working to GOTV and flip a few seats. I am done arguing about someone I whose actions I don't care for.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)AOC's parents bought a home in an affluent suburb in Westchester county, Yorktown Heights, from the time she was school aged, because they wanted a better public school education than she would get if she grew up in the Bronx. Her father owned a business, and when she was in college he died, and that's when the real struggle with money for her family started.
The bartending job was a second job to help out with extra money for her mother's bills while the estate was in probate, while being the Educational Director at at the National Hispanic Institute, which is a professional, not a working class, low paying job. She graduated from Boston University. The "bartender from the Bronx to congresswoman" narrative makes for great campaigning, but it has it's own pitfalls, because there are who dismiss her as "a bartender," then she gets irritated and then brings up the rest of her resume. When one campaign on that, one needs to expect that it could come back and bite them.
Obama was also not from a working class background. His mother was highly educated, and he lived with his grandparents - with his grandmother being the vice-president of a local bank, going to a very prestigious prep school on scholarship from the time he was 10. And no, he didn't take working class low income jobs like bartending, even between undergrad and law school. He never claimed to be from the working class or have taken low paying jobs - his career identity was a "Community Organizer" because that's was his day job, his vocation.
Someone who truly grew up in a Bronx working class background, held low paying jobs and made it to Congress was Alan Grayson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Grayson#Early_life_and_education
I have a master's degree, but worked in various restaurants and temp jobs out of school, because I took out loans. I would never state that my carreer identity was "a waitress" if I was to run for office at that time. I would say that I had worked low paying jobs, and know what it's like, but would never call myself working class, because I have an advanced degree, as do both my parents.
I would also not say that I was 'from' somewhere that I had not lived since I was five years old.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Celerity
(43,382 posts)now you know
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)biggest mortgage servicing companies back in 2012 and get an $18 billion settlement for CA after walking away from a smaller offer.
That was Kamala Harris who did that. What made a young, fresh, inexperienced Attorney General decide she could do that?
AOC might be a freshman but she has great personal power that is based in morality and she has charisma. She will go far. You might not like her, but she does represent her constituents, and I'm thinking the Millennials are now telling the older members of Congress who are telling them to shut up for a few terms to stuff it because they want to be heard now.
Maybe we Boomers ought to have done that, too.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)Has she ever opened the second office in her district?
demmiblue
(36,853 posts)murielm99
(30,741 posts)I can't ask that question?
demmiblue
(36,853 posts)and I will keep on laughing!
Voltaire2
(13,037 posts)Oh wait....
flying_wahini
(6,594 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,998 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,201 posts)babylonsister
(171,066 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,701 posts)...keynote speaker for Kamala!
Imagine...
still_one
(92,190 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,701 posts)...VP of the good old USA!
still_one
(92,190 posts)and she has plenty of life long friends from the Bay Area from the SF days who would be more appropriate for a keynote speaker for Sen Harris
I notice in your profile you are still undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,701 posts)...for those 60 seconds. You will be impressed.
still_one
(92,190 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)on her win. Oh , retweeted Sanders but Omar and Tlaib tweeted their own statements.
still_one
(92,190 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,258 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)party either
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,921 posts)Where there are at least a couple liberal parties and a couple conservative and some special interest parties? She would be in the more liberal/progressive party and Biden would be a little more to the center liberal party. Why is that a bad thing to say? It's true.
still_one
(92,190 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,431 posts)It was no insult, no matter how much some might wish it were. Just the fact that was pointed out, which some want to ignore.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)this party is supposed to be a big tent.
The reason I like her is she has personal power, charisma and guts. The thing that totally impressed me is she said she was going to do the right thing, and if she was defeated after one term, so what?
Got to admire political courage, you know. And young ones who show it should be encouraged, not squashed.
still_one
(92,190 posts)That isnt my statement, but hers.
What I would like to see is how she does in a statewide, or national election, such as governor or senator.
As for you comment that I seem to dislike her, no, I dont dislike her. I dont agree with her approaches on some things though
However, I am glad she is in the House to go after the nazi in Ga 14th district which unfortunately I suspect, Marjorie Greene will win in that district
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)lifetime, and I'm nearly 62. He had like NO experience when he decided to run for president. A freshman Senator fresh from being a community organizer. But look how he did. Stellar.
I'd say give AOC a chance. I'm going to. I do predict she has quite a future at the national level. Have you watched footage of how well she handles herself when questioning people called to testify before her committees? Questioning Cohen? The bank executives? She's great.
Sometimes I think we tend to get too caught up in ideology. I mean, it has surely happened to me. I'm quite progressive about some things, and surprisingly conservative about a couple things, and centrist on others. I've said this before, because as I watch things unfold locally in my own community, I see it happening. When conservatives, progressives and people toward the center sit down at the table, hash out the problems that face us, negotiate - sometimes negotiate hard - and then compromise for the sake of moving forward, that is exactly what the founders intended. They knew if we have someone in power like Trump with his party in lockstep behind him, we can go the wrong direction awfully fast, so they purposely set it up to require debate and compromise to move forward.
See, the thing I think these Republican idiots have been missing since around 1980 is the willingness to actually do the work of debate and compromise - what it takes to govern. They've sold out for the sake of money and power.
Our people, on the other hand, whether far left, or closer to the center, or even a bit right of center, have something these Republicans do not have - they have a real desire to govern us. Oh, there are a few we might argue that point about, but for the most part, our people go into it in good faith. That's how I see AOC. She speaks from the heart, and acts with spirit - sometimes brash, but that will go with age and experience.
But she WANTS to govern us. She is willing to go to the table and argue passionately, but in the end she wants to govern and not obstruct.
Gosh that was wordy, wasn't it? Sorry. But I do like AOC - I've got a soft spot for her, for sure.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,431 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)statewide elections, and a measure of popularity outside a district
However, I am glad she is in the House, and may have the opportunity to go after the nazi in Gerogias 14th district, which unfortunately I suspect, Marjorie Greene will win in the GE in that district
Her being part of Bidens climate change task force, and other things, will determine determine how effective she is
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)Good choice.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)in the late 80s and early 90s. He served in the Illinois State Senate from 97 to 04. He wasnt fresh fresh from being a community organizer when he ran for the US Senate. Thats Republican propaganda.
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)in terms of being president. And I'm not saying there's anything at all wrong with community organizing, and he did use those skills as president. But organizing -> state legislator -> freshman US Senator still didn't give him the massive base of experience that Biden has at this point. Which was my point in the beginning.
Malmsy
(297 posts)POTUS requires far, far more skills than a freshman in congress, even if they are old enough to run for POTUS.
Obama's first act in congress was not to protest the speakers' office.
Obama also relied on the counsel of those far more experienced that he was, Speaker Pelosi for instance. He did not run on promises of smashing the "establishment" but repairing it, building on the parts that work, and create hope and confidence in, not anger at the role of the federal government in helping people.
He did not run on a platform of "rebuilding the Democratic party from scratch," which implies dismantling it.
I am a big fan of AOC's, but I think she needs to mature and gain some expertise in working the system. My respect for Madame Speaker has grown by leaps and bounds since Trump was installed, and experience is now much higher on my list of qualifications in a candidate.
stopdiggin
(11,308 posts)And while undeniably true -- it IS a little hard to see that statement as something other than an anti-endorsement of sorts.
I defend her right to say what she thinks. And also the right for others to say, "Well, that was a little -- unwise."
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lapucelle
(18,258 posts)especially for anyone breathlessly awaiting Winnie Wong's reaction:
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)greblach
(257 posts)We need more like her, unfortunately they are rare...
KS Toronado
(17,237 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)All the others get zero minutes.
As the OP quoted:
Only a tiny little minute,
But eternity is in it.
She will need to figure out what point she wants to make, then make it. She can do this.
George II
(67,782 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)It's a chance to speak, briefly, to a huge audience.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Maybe I missed that one.
JoeOtterbein
(7,701 posts)...powerful!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)I know AOC and Kamala have been working in unity for the past year on that climate equity bill. Maybe they have gotten to be good friends....
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)why is it AOC bashers don't get called on for bashing Democrats?
Celerity
(43,382 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)demonstrate that in concrete terms.
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)North Shore Chicago
(3,316 posts)I do love AOC!