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(57,073 posts)mysteryowl
(7,390 posts)leftieNanner
(15,114 posts)Did someone sue the RNC about this? I wonder what prompted the judge to do this.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Trump's gonna have to fire this judge.
triron
(22,006 posts)dragonlady
(3,577 posts)It's a lifetime appointment.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Kaiserguy
(740 posts)in PA trying to stop vote by mail. A this point the only way anyone should vote by mail is if you can drop off your ballot at the PO at the county seat (or at a official drop box.) That way in should go right into the county mail box without delay. Since Trump has screwed up the PO so badly it could take so long that it doesn't get counted. I know any letter I mail goes from PA to Rochester NY and then back to PA unless it is address within the town.
AZ8theist
(5,470 posts)Star-Thrower
(309 posts)and the Sierra Club, are part of the lawsuit.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania/index.html
Blue Owl
(50,391 posts)Nice to know there are some Americans who care about these crimes being openly committed. The criminals are not even trying to hide the evidence.
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WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)will use the example that dogs and cats are getting ballots? He seems to like that one.
grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)AZ8theist
(5,470 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)vote blue!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)is really mad he hasn't gotten his ballot yet!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Are you sure that your cat isnt some right wing, teabagging, Qanon supplicant?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Is that why Trump doesn't think USPS can handle mail-in ballots?
safeinOhio
(32,685 posts)Well, lots of people are saying it.
Darwin2019
(217 posts)Told him to show some spine
Did not waste my time on the useless Rick Scott
Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Eugene
(61,899 posts)The matter is pending before Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania.
Judge orders Trump campaign to produce evidence of voter fraud in Pennsylvania (CNN)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania/index.html
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/trump-campaign-says-voting-groups-cant-join-in-ballot-suit
Trump for President v. Boockvar
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)spanone
(135,841 posts)Takket
(21,573 posts)Stallion
(6,474 posts)as I remember after about 5 Years they could come up with less than 100 questionable instances of voter fraud. There's a New York Times article from 2007 behind paywall on this Bush administration fiasco which was the most comprehensive legal attempt to prove voter fraud in the courthouse
chriscan64
(1,789 posts)otherwise known as Fox & Friends.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)no good.
jaxexpat
(6,831 posts)Since when did Trump or his people respond to a court order? A summons? A judgement? A congressional decree?
Send in US Marshalls and enforce these basic laws. The president's administration is NOT immune to them. Is it gonna take a shoot out in the oval office to get the country back to competence or at least normalcy?
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)That one proved bullshit on Trump too
CaptainTruth
(6,592 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Guilty of every damn thing they accuse others of.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)I have been working on voter protection issues for a long time and have followed a number of cases. In the Kobach case on the Kansas proof of citizenship in order to register to vote case, Kobach put on a couple members of trump's voter fraud task force In the ACLU v. Kobach case, Kobach attempted to manufactured evidence to justify the Kansas voter registration/citizenship law using the same evidence cited by trump as proof of voter fraud and relying on an asshole who used to be on the federal election commission.. The judge had fun pointing out how Kobach's so-called experts were not experts and how they failed https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/kobach-witnesses-judge-opinion
She said that misleading evidence and preconceived beliefs about this issue were the basis of the testimony given by one member of President Trumps now-defunct voter fraud commission, which Kobach once led. The author of a report Trump allies once touted as evidence of mass voter fraud offered estimates of Kansas non-citizen registration that were individually flawed and wildly varied, Robinson said. Additionally, the top researcher at an anti-immigration think tank who argued that the Kobachs law did not affect voter turnout was not qualified to make such a conclusion, Robinson ruled, excluding large parts of his testimony.
Kobach as part of a test an appeals court said the district judge should use to evaluate his voter law needed to prove that voter fraud, and specifically non-citizen registration, was a substantial problem in Kansas. The experts he called appeared to be the best options he had to back that claim and they fell well short of convincing the judge.
The Court will not rely on extrapolated numbers from tiny sample sizes and otherwise flawed data, she said.
Hans von Spakovsky is a bush recess appointee to the FEC and is now with the Heritage Foundation. This asshole is cited by trump and the other vote suppressors even though Hans von Spakovsky is a total idiot. I love the way that the judge treated this idiot.
She also picked apart other claims von Spakovsky made about voter fraud based on reports outside of Kansas, and knocked him for failing to correct or supplement his expert report when obvious flaws were pointed out to him during the proceedings.
"The record is replete with further evidence of Mr. von Spakovskys bias, she said.
These so-called experts will now be challenged if they attempt to testify in the future. This opinion really makes me smile
I doubt that the trump admin will be able to provide evidence of voter fraud
Link to tweet
catbyte
(34,393 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)marble falls
(57,097 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Thank you and
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Laughed the cat right off my lap
.. and catbytes post..
calimary
(81,297 posts)Illumination
(2,458 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)fraud is so minimal as to be laughable to and or only intends to hear Trump and the GOPs bogus claims of it existing and then render a verdict that restricts mail in voting.
Granted its likely not to hold up but as a delaying action it could help stop enough people from voting for Biden therefore costing him the election.
Cha
(297,270 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Deacon Blue
(252 posts)Saw this in the Election Reform group, cool level of detail here. Fun to watch a judge savage a clueless prostitute expert like that (as long as theyre not your expert).
So, Federal civil procedure contemplates an interim appeal of pre-trial rulings, including discovery orders. The litigant resisting discovery can ask the trial court to reconsider, or for the appellate court to reverse the trial court, then ask the entire appellate bench to reconsider the three-judge-panels decision, ask for that denial to be reconsidered, and then head over to the Supremes. Unlikely that this discovery abuse (text-book example, appealing pre-trial rulings in bad faith to drag on and avoid a painful facing of the music) would result in meaningful sanctions, and money (i.e., litigation fuel) is not in short supply...
No idea what scheduling orders are in place, but the opportunities for delay are manifest. And this delay strategy is Litigation 101 for the Trump lawyers across the board in every forum. Its just sad.
Democracy2020
(176 posts)The link below allows you to open a complaint with the USPS Inspector General regarding Trumps interference in our elections. Take a stand!
https://www.uspsoig.gov/
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)Help Trump Cheat - Close the USPS
you know, just to cue everyone into what's going down?