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BREAKING: Federal Judge ORDERS Trump Campaign/RNC to prove "vote by mail fraud" (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2020 OP
K&R! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #1
TRUMP APPOINTED JUDGE !!!! mysteryowl Aug 2020 #34
Good News leftieNanner Aug 2020 #2
No - Trump/RNC have been bringing suits to suppress voting by all means possible. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #5
Thanks. triron Aug 2020 #11
He can't fire the judge dragonlady Aug 2020 #46
I know; that was my attempt at humor. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #52
Trump sued all the countries Kaiserguy Aug 2020 #29
With over 35,000 lawsuits, I'm pretty sure he's sued every "country"... AZ8theist Aug 2020 #38
The Democratic Party Star-Thrower Aug 2020 #53
Hey! Something is happening! Blue Owl Aug 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Frustratedlady Aug 2020 #13
Trump doesn't have time for subtle gestures. The postman always rings twice. WheelWalker Aug 2020 #31
Do you think that trump Andy823 Aug 2020 #4
Yeah, but are cows getting ballots? grumpyduck Aug 2020 #10
Only on Devin Nunes' farm... Wounded Bear Aug 2020 #14
Lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 madinmaryland Aug 2020 #22
BOVINE DISCRIMINATION!!! AZ8theist Aug 2020 #39
Remember to tell them Andy823 Aug 2020 #21
Hey, my cat didn't get one! What's with that? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2020 #17
Yeah my dog Andy823 Aug 2020 #23
Well. Blue_true Aug 2020 #41
There are 95.6 million cats in the US and 89.7 million dogs. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2020 #26
Here is their proof... safeinOhio Aug 2020 #6
Called Senator Rubio about the USPS Darwin2019 Aug 2020 #7
"You just have to read the books. Look at the manuals." Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #8
Is this in relation to a case before the court? Details please! gristy Aug 2020 #9
Yes, please. triron Aug 2020 #15
The case is Trump for President v. Boockvar Eugene Aug 2020 #25
'Well we got away with it real easy in 2016' /nt bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #27
Thanks, Eugene. gristy Aug 2020 #28
K&R spanone Aug 2020 #12
Drumpf's hand picked commission already disproved this!!! Takket Aug 2020 #16
During George Bush Administration a Similar Order Resulted in Bush Administration Failing Miserably Stallion Aug 2020 #18
Trump heard it during daily briefing chriscan64 Aug 2020 #19
Wasting court time with delusions bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #20
The courts are wasting court time with opinions...... jaxexpat Aug 2020 #32
Just like his voter fraud investigation into the 2016 election world wide wally Aug 2020 #24
I tweeted some proof... CaptainTruth Aug 2020 #30
It's always projection with them. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2020 #45
The GOP has no proof of voter fraud Gothmog Aug 2020 #33
+1. yonder Aug 2020 #40
Trump submits Exhibit A 😂 😂 catbyte Aug 2020 #35
Good one, catbyte! Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #50
Good one! JudyM Aug 2020 #56
Their argument is going to sound like a mule eating peanut butter. marble falls Aug 2020 #36
"Sound like a mule eating peanut butter." PRICELESS! MFGsunny Aug 2020 #42
That was funny I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2020 #51
This whole thread is a keeper! calimary Aug 2020 #37
Bravo! Standing up to a bully! Illumination Aug 2020 #43
Might be a trap where the judge has already decided to toss any evidence that proves that any cstanleytech Aug 2020 #44
FREAKING WOW! No shit?! Cha Aug 2020 #47
KNR Lucinda Aug 2020 #48
Don't Hold Your Breath: Expect Foot-Dragging Deacon Blue Aug 2020 #49
Take a stand against Trump's interference in our elections Democracy2020 Aug 2020 #54
Is there any reason we can't post signs bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #55

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. No - Trump/RNC have been bringing suits to suppress voting by all means possible.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:07 PM
Aug 2020

Trump's gonna have to fire this judge.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
29. Trump sued all the countries
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:03 PM
Aug 2020

in PA trying to stop vote by mail. A this point the only way anyone should vote by mail is if you can drop off your ballot at the PO at the county seat (or at a official drop box.) That way in should go right into the county mail box without delay. Since Trump has screwed up the PO so badly it could take so long that it doesn't get counted. I know any letter I mail goes from PA to Rochester NY and then back to PA unless it is address within the town.

Blue Owl

(50,391 posts)
3. Hey! Something is happening!
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:06 PM
Aug 2020

Nice to know there are some Americans who care about these crimes being openly committed. The criminals are not even trying to hide the evidence.

Response to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
4. Do you think that trump
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:07 PM
Aug 2020

will use the example that dogs and cats are getting ballots? He seems to like that one.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
26. There are 95.6 million cats in the US and 89.7 million dogs.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:44 PM
Aug 2020

Is that why Trump doesn't think USPS can handle mail-in ballots?

Darwin2019

(217 posts)
7. Called Senator Rubio about the USPS
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:12 PM
Aug 2020

Told him to show some spine

Did not waste my time on the useless Rick Scott

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
18. During George Bush Administration a Similar Order Resulted in Bush Administration Failing Miserably
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 03:18 PM
Aug 2020

as I remember after about 5 Years they could come up with less than 100 questionable instances of voter fraud. There's a New York Times article from 2007 behind paywall on this Bush administration fiasco which was the most comprehensive legal attempt to prove voter fraud in the courthouse

jaxexpat

(6,831 posts)
32. The courts are wasting court time with opinions......
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 04:54 PM
Aug 2020

Since when did Trump or his people respond to a court order? A summons? A judgement? A congressional decree?

Send in US Marshalls and enforce these basic laws. The president's administration is NOT immune to them. Is it gonna take a shoot out in the oval office to get the country back to competence or at least normalcy?

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
33. The GOP has no proof of voter fraud
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:00 PM
Aug 2020

I have been working on voter protection issues for a long time and have followed a number of cases. In the Kobach case on the Kansas proof of citizenship in order to register to vote case, Kobach put on a couple members of trump's voter fraud task force In the ACLU v. Kobach case, Kobach attempted to manufactured evidence to justify the Kansas voter registration/citizenship law using the same evidence cited by trump as proof of voter fraud and relying on an asshole who used to be on the federal election commission.. The judge had fun pointing out how Kobach's so-called experts were not experts and how they failed https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/kobach-witnesses-judge-opinion

In a 100-plus-page decision knocking down Kansas’ proof-of-citizenship voter registration law, U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson spent some two-dozen pages dismantling the testimonies offered by the so-called experts called by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to defend the law.

She said that “misleading evidence” and “preconceived beliefs about this issue” were the basis of the testimony given by one member of President Trump’s now-defunct voter fraud commission, which Kobach once led. The author of a report Trump allies once touted as evidence of mass voter fraud offered estimates of Kansas non-citizen registration that were “individually flawed and wildly varied,” Robinson said. Additionally, the top researcher at an anti-immigration think tank who argued that the Kobach’s law did not affect voter turnout was not qualified to make such a conclusion, Robinson ruled, excluding large parts of his testimony.

Kobach — as part of a test an appeals court said the district judge should use to evaluate his voter law — needed to prove that voter fraud, and specifically non-citizen registration, was a “substantial” problem in Kansas. The experts he called appeared to be the best options he had to back that claim — and they fell well short of convincing the judge.

“The Court will not rely on extrapolated numbers from tiny sample sizes and otherwise flawed data,” she said.

Hans von Spakovsky is a bush recess appointee to the FEC and is now with the Heritage Foundation. This asshole is cited by trump and the other vote suppressors even though Hans von Spakovsky is a total idiot. I love the way that the judge treated this idiot.
“He later admitted during cross-examination that he had no personal knowledge as to whether or not any of these individuals had in fact falsely asserted U.S. citizenship when they became registered to vote and that he did not examine the facts of these individual cases,” the judge said.

She also picked apart other claims von Spakovsky made about voter fraud based on reports outside of Kansas, and knocked him for failing to correct or supplement his expert report when obvious flaws were pointed out to him during the proceedings.



"The record is replete with further evidence of Mr. von Spakovsky’s bias,” she said.

These so-called experts will now be challenged if they attempt to testify in the future. This opinion really makes me smile

I doubt that the trump admin will be able to provide evidence of voter fraud

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
44. Might be a trap where the judge has already decided to toss any evidence that proves that any
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 11:05 PM
Aug 2020

fraud is so minimal as to be laughable to and or only intends to hear Trump and the GOPs bogus claims of it existing and then render a verdict that restricts mail in voting.
Granted its likely not to hold up but as a delaying action it could help stop enough people from voting for Biden therefore costing him the election.

Deacon Blue

(252 posts)
49. Don't Hold Your Breath: Expect Foot-Dragging
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:38 AM
Aug 2020

Saw this in the Election Reform group, cool level of detail here. Fun to watch a judge savage a clueless prostitute expert like that (as long as they’re not your expert).

So, Federal civil procedure contemplates an interim appeal of pre-trial rulings, including discovery orders. The litigant resisting discovery can ask the trial court to reconsider, or for the appellate court to reverse the trial court, then ask the entire appellate bench to reconsider the three-judge-panel’s decision, ask for that denial to be reconsidered, and then head over to the Supremes. Unlikely that this discovery abuse (text-book example, appealing pre-trial rulings in bad faith to drag on and avoid a painful facing of the music) would result in meaningful sanctions, and money (i.e., litigation fuel) is not in short supply...

No idea what scheduling orders are in place, but the opportunities for delay are manifest. And this delay strategy is Litigation 101 for the Trump lawyers across the board in every forum. It’s just sad.

Democracy2020

(176 posts)
54. Take a stand against Trump's interference in our elections
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:15 AM
Aug 2020

The link below allows you to open a complaint with the USPS Inspector General regarding Trumps interference in our elections. Take a stand!

https://www.uspsoig.gov/

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
55. Is there any reason we can't post signs
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 09:37 AM
Aug 2020

Help Trump Cheat - Close the USPS

you know, just to cue everyone into what's going down?

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