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global1

(25,251 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:40 PM Aug 2020

Isn't There Some Way We Could Get An Injunction To Stop The Destruction Of The USPS?.....

Isn't there some judge out there that can stop this madness by Trump? Isn't there some technicality in a law or any law or in the initial formation charter/mission of the USPS that prohibits such deliberate tampering of it?

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RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
1. Agreed
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:41 PM
Aug 2020

TRO is the way to go - likelihood of immediate irreparable harm should be a fairly easy bar to clear for a limited period of time.

Response to global1 (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
3. Someone with legal standing might apply for a writ of mandamus.
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:45 PM
Aug 2020

Mandamus is a court order from a court to a public authority to do or refrain from doing something that entity is obliged under law to do (or not do). 28 U.S. Code § 1361 gives federal district courts "original jurisdiction of any action in the nature of mandamus to compel an officer or employee of the United States or any agency thereof to perform a duty owed to the plaintiff." I'm sure there are lawyers working on some kind of remedy already.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
5. I should think a veterans group representing those who aren't getting their meds from VA on time
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:48 PM
Aug 2020

would have standing. Perhaps a voter rights advocacy group. Certainly the Chamber of Commerce on behalf of small business?

global1

(25,251 posts)
6. I Just Found This On Wikipedia - Maybe It Is Helpful......
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:49 PM
Aug 2020

The Postal Reorganization Act of 1970 was a law passed by the United States Congress that abolished the then United States Post Office Department, which was a part of the Cabinet, and created the United States Postal Service, a corporation-like independent agency with an official monopoly on the delivery of mail in the United States. President Richard Nixon signed the Act in law on August 12, 1970.[1][2]

The legislation was a direct outcome of the U.S. postal strike of 1970. Prior to the act, postal workers were not permitted by law to engage in collective bargaining. In the act, the four major postal unions (National Association of Letter Carriers, American Postal Workers Union, National Postal Mail Handlers Union, and the National Rural Letter Carriers Association) won full collective bargaining rights: the right to negotiate on wages, benefits and working conditions, although they still were not allowed the right to strike.[3]

The first paragraph of the Act reads:[2]

The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.

The Postal Reorganization Act (at 39 USC 410(c)(2)) exempts the USPS from Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) disclosure of "information of a commercial nature, including trade secrets, whether or not obtained from a person outside the Postal Service, which under good business practice would not be publicly disclosed".[4]

MY COMMENTS:

HOW ABOUT A POSTAL STRIKE?

Maybe all the employees of the USPS should go on a country wide strike to protest what is happening.
A complete shut-down of the USPS right now - could bring Trump and the Repugs to their knees and be forced by the American People to save the USPS - well before the November election.

Think about how such a strike would effect the American People as well as American businesses. I'm sure that the outcry by the People would be loud, forceful and effective in getting Congress and Trump to respond.

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
9. A postal strike to protest the mail being slowed down?
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:01 PM
Aug 2020

Wouldn't that slow it down even further and endanger those whose medicines were delayed by a strike?

Seems like that would turn public sentiment against the USPS.

global1

(25,251 posts)
10. Trump Is Working Towards Shutting It Down USPS Anyway So It Helps Him In November.....
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:12 PM
Aug 2020

I'm just saying that we accelerate this shut-down and give Trump what he wants right now.

I believe that such an action by the employees of the USPS - if it was communicated to the American People why they are striking - to prevent Trump and the Repugs from taking away the American People's Right To Vote - would cause Trump to back off on his November plan.

If the postal employees strike now - Trump's whole plan would back-fire on him and he'd have to back off.

Let the people experience now - what Trump has in store for them in November. There would be such an outcry from the People that it would bring Trump to his knees with his plan.

It wouldn't have to be a long strike. Just long enough to illustrate to the American People the pain they would suffer under Trump's plan. Or maybe - just the threat of a strike would do the trick.

Again - it's standing up to the bully. Calling him on the crap he's pulling.

We just can't let Trump get away with this kind of crap. Come on now - you don't want another four years of this criminality - do you?

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
12. Interesting topic for discussion, but it would never happen
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:13 PM
Aug 2020

Nobody wants 4 more years, but the chances of a complete USPS strike are virtually nill.

global1

(25,251 posts)
13. What About Just A Threat Of A Strike By Postal Workers?......
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:19 PM
Aug 2020

Could that cause Trump to back down?

Again - he's a bully.

When you stand up to a bully - they back down.

I think that -when dealing with a guy like Trump - you have to fight fire with fire.

Or how about - not a complete USPS strike - but making sure that medications get delivered but - bills from credit card companies; financial statements; advertisements; catalogs, and the like - don't get delivered.

I don't know if businesses would just sit back and let that happen. I believe they would put pressure on Trump.

We have to do something to prevent him from suppressing the mail-in vote during a pandemic.

What he is doing is criminal. He must be made to pay for this.

global1

(25,251 posts)
7. I Keep Thinking If The Shoe Were On The Other Foot & This Kind Of Crap Was Being Pulled By A Dem....
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:52 PM
Aug 2020

President - that the Repugs would react forcefully.

So I'm asking - 'what would the Repugs do'?

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
15. +1, the PG would be in jail by now legally or illegally and they could care less if they're sued in
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 07:21 PM
Aug 2020

... court over the matter.

They go to the nth degree to cheating or illegal shit and act like it was never done

Timewas

(2,195 posts)
8. I think
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 05:56 PM
Aug 2020

That the ones that have the power to ge things done(congress) have abdicated to the white house....

kurtcagle

(1,603 posts)
16. The Dems in Congress Can't Do Anything Here
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 09:36 PM
Aug 2020

What is happening now is that the issue is going to play out in the courts.

What most people do not understand is that while the Dems have the power of obstruction - the House is keeping Trump from actually funding anything - but not much else. They do not approve judges or officials, cannot fire cabinet officials, and can at best only reprimand them. They can, and have, impeached the President, but without any power in the Senate, they cannot remove a president or any other official.

That's not to say the House is powerless: it HAS kept Trump from actually doing much of anything, and after what happened with the stimulus money last time, the House is also demanding a lot more accountability be put into place. However, at this stage their primary role is to act as a dam.

Blue Owl

(50,391 posts)
11. Can't tell me the majority of Americans support this travesty
Thu Aug 13, 2020, 06:33 PM
Aug 2020

It should not be up to any president to do any such thing.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
17. Just make a great ad
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:06 AM
Aug 2020

and show it in red states. Trump is against Christmas Cards, vets getting their medicine, many people getting their Social Security checks, add to the list. It's the Trump war on Christmas.

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