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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 04:53 PM Aug 2020

Had a chat with my post man this morning

He had absolutely no clue what was going on. He told me he "never votes." I told him he might want to consider doing so this time and to vote blue!

He seems like a very nice fellow who told me he will retire when he turns 66 next summer.

So, of course, I enlightened him. He was horrified and asked "where do you get that kind of information?" So I told him normal (non-Faux outlet names).

I kept repeating to "vote blue to save your pension."

He was particularly disturbed to learn that DeJoy is a logistics guy who has contracts with companies are direct competitors of the USPS. That stung.

Anyway, he said he has not seen any difference in the way things are being done. He said they cut overtime years ago in this area (Memphis suburb). He said, if you are out on a route and your time is up, they literally send out a contract worker to relieve you of your route. And said they pay overtime to contractors but not to employees.

He said management does not communicate with workers at all, so he knows nothing about any of what's going on.

I did ask him to talk to his coworkers to inform them to VOTE BLUE.

That's about all I got out of him, except maybe one blue vote!

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Had a chat with my post man this morning (Original Post) SheltieLover Aug 2020 OP
That's great. Timing is perfect. LakeArenal Aug 2020 #1
Thanks! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #6
He could also follow the Postal Workers Union on Twitter soldierant Aug 2020 #34
Great idea! Ty! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #39
If he's permanent full time It would be the National Association of Letter Carriers as his union. Scruffy1 Aug 2020 #46
Ty! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #48
There are a few like that. Scruffy1 Aug 2020 #61
Ty for sharing SheltieLover Aug 2020 #63
The NALC is the carrier's Union. Proud member alfredo Aug 2020 #76
I just found that out today, soldierant Aug 2020 #88
I'll take a look alfredo Aug 2020 #89
Good for you! smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #2
I sure hope so! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #7
Excellent! Bayard Aug 2020 #3
Thx! You should see me in grocery stores. LOL SheltieLover Aug 2020 #10
Gosh Ohiogal Aug 2020 #4
Especially when it's HIS job and pension... LakeArenal Aug 2020 #8
Good point! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #49
Good question SheltieLover Aug 2020 #12
Sad to see in an older adult. Ohiogal Aug 2020 #16
Yup, bovine stares SheltieLover Aug 2020 #21
It doesnt surprise me he's not aware of and engaged in politics... VarryOn Aug 2020 #14
I know what you mean SheltieLover Aug 2020 #50
To be his age and never voted is really a sad reality MagickMuffin Aug 2020 #5
It just shows the hopelessness so many feel. LakeArenal Aug 2020 #9
It's surreal here, sadly SheltieLover Aug 2020 #17
I know what you mean! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #13
About the 2016 election I was the alternate judge MagickMuffin Aug 2020 #83
So sorry to hear SheltieLover Aug 2020 #84
No, staying home MagickMuffin Aug 2020 #86
I wil do in person early voting SheltieLover Aug 2020 #87
does he know Blue means dems? If he doesnt vote and doesnt watch the news he may be confused.. samnsara Aug 2020 #11
Oh yes - good question though SheltieLover Aug 2020 #18
How could a guy work there his whole life and belong doc03 Aug 2020 #15
Yup, I know precisely what you mean! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #19
A lot of union guys who lived near my parents were the same way. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #20
We had some people that made over $100000 a year doc03 Aug 2020 #22
It's shocking how people can behave. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #23
Yea we had that too they came up with a two teir doc03 Aug 2020 #28
😱 wtaf???? SheltieLover Aug 2020 #33
Ugh. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #42
Right! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #47
Management at my last job... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #56
You are so right! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #37
Yup SheltieLover Aug 2020 #35
My husband retired Rebl2 Aug 2020 #26
I could never understand SheltieLover Aug 2020 #32
Well Union employees voted Democrat but doc03 Aug 2020 #41
It's unfathomable, but it's a thing. Grokenstein Aug 2020 #78
Taked to a postal person yesterday TimeToGo Aug 2020 #24
This guy truly didn't know SheltieLover Aug 2020 #29
I would estimate less than 25% of Americans know about this Awsi Dooger Aug 2020 #40
Yup SheltieLover Aug 2020 #54
Sure TimeToGo Aug 2020 #85
I see he said they pay overtime to contract employees, not union. patphil Aug 2020 #25
Absolutely! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #27
Outstanding SheltieLover! kairos12 Aug 2020 #30
Ty SheltieLover Aug 2020 #53
You made the effort. That's what counts! Fla Dem Aug 2020 #31
Of course! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #55
My jaw dropped when I read he is 65 and has never voted. Dem2theMax Aug 2020 #36
It's very very common here SheltieLover Aug 2020 #57
Anyone who doesn't vote is giving away their power to fascists and oligarchs who will steal... CousinIT Aug 2020 #99
I completely agree! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #100
How does a person who works for the post office not know these things ? This is kacekwl Aug 2020 #96
I know! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #101
Good Job! (nt) ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #38
Thank you, Professor. SheltieLover Aug 2020 #52
The guy's likely a scab. He seems clueless to what's in the union contract. nt oasis Aug 2020 #43
Maybe SheltieLover Aug 2020 #58
Full time carriers can sign up for overtime (8+hrs.) if they wish. Carriers oasis Aug 2020 #66
A previous post had the address for the postal union and encouraged the public to read it. Karadeniz Aug 2020 #44
TY! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #59
He's not a member of his Union then. Duppers Aug 2020 #45
That couldn't be his Union. Scruffy1 Aug 2020 #51
Ty! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #62
Sorry. It was the 1st site presented when I googled. Duppers Aug 2020 #79
Not sure SheltieLover Aug 2020 #60
many postal workers can be low information voters or non voters AlexSFCA Aug 2020 #64
Apparently so SheltieLover Aug 2020 #65
Thank you, SheltieLover! calimary Aug 2020 #67
Ty Calimary SheltieLover Aug 2020 #68
"I kept repeating to vote blue to save your pension." Good Hortensis Aug 2020 #69
Yes SheltieLover Aug 2020 #70
Sounds hopeful. :) Hortensis Aug 2020 #71
Postal retirees fall under the federal retirement system (civil service) oasis Aug 2020 #77
Spoke to my rural postal carrier too flibbitygiblets Aug 2020 #72
Yuk SheltieLover Aug 2020 #74
I imagine that some areas don't see slowdowns. This is like what we've seen for years with wiggs Aug 2020 #73
Thats precisely what I'm wondering about! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #75
yep renate Aug 2020 #81
I find it hard to believe the man is that clueless Skittles Aug 2020 #80
Well SheltieLover Aug 2020 #82
keep reminding him! jimlup Aug 2020 #90
I definitely will! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #91
Sounds like a lost soul never votes.....wow! BlueJac Aug 2020 #92
Sadly, very common here SheltieLover Aug 2020 #93
This does not surprise me at all DeminPennswoods Aug 2020 #94
Me either, tbh SheltieLover Aug 2020 #95
I've heard over the years that USPS has DeminPennswoods Aug 2020 #102
It's kind of appalling to me a 65 year old man babylonsister Aug 2020 #97
That's how many of these people are. SheltieLover Aug 2020 #98
Which may explain why he seems oblivious to workplace changes. live love laugh Aug 2020 #103
Mine was a brief message. qwlauren35 Aug 2020 #104
Nice! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #105
Younger. qwlauren35 Aug 2020 #106
That explains the difference! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #107
Did u also tell him he had to register to vote? Grins Aug 2020 #108
Absolutely! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #109
louis.dejoy@usps.gov 634-5789 Aug 2020 #110
Ty! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #111

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
6. Thanks!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:03 PM
Aug 2020

I hope he will go home and talk to wife (who he said does vote) and they do some research. I'm hopeful because his retirement is so close! Keeping fingers crossed. I will see him again, perhaps tomorrow, and I'll keep after him.

That "I don't vote" attitude is quite prevalent here. REVOLTING!

soldierant

(6,914 posts)
34. He could also follow the Postal Workers Union on Twitter
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:52 PM
Aug 2020

if he (or his wife) is on Twitter. @APWUnational is the handle.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
46. If he's permanent full time It would be the National Association of Letter Carriers as his union.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:26 PM
Aug 2020

The APWU represents mechanics, electronic technicians and clerks. Calling employees "Post man" doesn't quite fit since a lot are of other gender. Union membership is voluntary, but about 90% pay dues.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
61. There are a few like that.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:47 PM
Aug 2020

The vast majority of Letter Carriers are strong Democrats and good at volunteering to GOTV and donating to the union PAC. And like any large group there are exceptions. We even had some RR nut jobs in the APWU but not many. I really don't think you are going to make much difference to a 65 year old that is going to retire soon. For some the sports page is as far as they get with the news. Most Americans still think the USPS is part of the federal government even though it was split off in 1973. The president of the Saint NALC told me exactly how this game was going to be carried out in about 2010. His predictions were entirely accurate. The 10 billion a year prepayment for retirees insurance served two purposes. It left the government off the hook for when they privatized it and made sure their budget was stretched so that if a disaster hit they would be set up to fail. It's a textbook case of disaster capitalism. One of the problems is that if they show a profit they have to turn it over to the treasury so they can't keep reserves for hard times.

soldierant

(6,914 posts)
88. I just found that out today,
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:35 PM
Aug 2020

The postal workers had requested as many people as possible to follow them on Twitter to keep up - I'm not even on Twitter, but I'm trying to spread the word. Does the NALC have a Twitter account? I'll happily pass that on too.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. I sure hope so!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:04 PM
Aug 2020

I explicitly told him to talk to wife and coworkers about this - since it concerns their jobs and pensions. I'll keep on him.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
10. Thx! You should see me in grocery stores. LOL
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:09 PM
Aug 2020


I thank every single person I see working for their work and engage them briefly in a discussion about voting blue.

Not one single person I have ever spoken to here has known that they can register to vote online with a drivers license or state ID #. Nor has anyone known that non-drivers will be (usually) given a free state ID for voting purposes.

The attitude is usually, "I don't bother." I keep telling they'd better, as elections have consequences!

And I always, always ask them to spread the work among friends and family members. (People usually do what they are told, it seems.)

Ohiogal

(32,049 posts)
4. Gosh
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 04:58 PM
Aug 2020

Does he know Blue means Democratic?

It’s hard to imagine anyone so clueless about what’s going on!

Good for you relaying the facts to him, SheltieLover.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
12. Good question
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:12 PM
Aug 2020

Yes, I told him republicans are trying to privatize postal service and that chump was on the teeeeeveeeee saying he knows ruining the postal service will keep people from voting and he's doing it anyway and not funding it. (I repeated the negative republican stuff too, as this nice man isn't too bright.)

Oh, you would not even come close to fathoming the stupidity here. I never knew such people existed. So I try to enlighten them politically.

BTW, no mask on postman. He might not know about virus for all I know. (I spoke from a distance.)

Ohiogal

(32,049 posts)
16. Sad to see in an older adult.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:19 PM
Aug 2020

When my son worked at a bakery, I used to stay around and chat with his boss, who was a good Democrat. Boss told me all the young kids working there were absolutely clueless about the issues and government. (my kid the exception). He’d say to them, “Don’t you care?” Get blank stares in return.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
21. Yup, bovine stares
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:28 PM
Aug 2020

But I have to plant the seed and ask them to please vote with me to get rid of the racist in the white house.

Sometimes blank stares, sometimes nods, and every now and then I see a star being born with fire in their eyes and big thanks for speaking to them.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
14. It doesnt surprise me he's not aware of and engaged in politics...
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:15 PM
Aug 2020

Sometimes, I probe customers, coworkers and family to see what they know. Most know high-leve things (e.g. who's President? who's governor, Biden is Dem nominee, etc.), but you can forget their knowing something like the following:

--Who is our representative in Congress?
--Who is Sec of State?
--What are the three branches of gov't?
--What's Pelosi's title?
--Who's Chief Justice?

All stuff readers of DU would know in a hearbeat and cant fathom not knowing.

I mentioned to a friend last week that I needed to get home from our breakfast because I wanted to see some of the Sally Yates hearing. She asked me "who is that?".

Most people are trying to get by with life, and you and I are the weird ones with our obsession about politics. A couple days after the 2016 presidential election, I went over to my mother's and my brother was there. He commented on my sorrow and asked why "my panties were in a bunch." I told him that it was all because of Tuesday night. He genuinely asked me what happend on Tuesday.

We all just have to watch out for our fellow man/woman and coach them come Election Day.

MagickMuffin

(15,951 posts)
5. To be his age and never voted is really a sad reality
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 04:59 PM
Aug 2020

2016 working the GE we had a whole bunch of people who were voting for the first time. They were very ill informed and they were voting for the Demon Seed.

I had to help a lot of them cast their ballots. It really turned my stomach, but it was my sworn duty to help them no matter who they were voting for.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
17. It's surreal here, sadly
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:20 PM
Aug 2020

I try to inspire hope in the folks I speak with - mostly youngish people of color working in grocery, as I don't go anywhere else due to tRump virus.

Sometimes, I see the light really go on in their heads and it's exciting, even though it's just a brief encounter.

One young Black girl working at a restaurant during the time Stacey Abrams was running for gov of GA was mildly excited, but when I mentioned Oprah was campaigning for Stacey, her eyes got about the size of dinner plates and she repeated her name, as if it were some sacred phrase.

I guess I'm just different. Given the choice between Oprah and the 1st AA woman running for governor on a major party ticket, the latter would be more exciting, but I've never been so much into celebrities.

I hope she went back to GA where she said she was registered and voted for Stacey and I hope she became interested in politics, but one never knows.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
13. I know what you mean!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:15 PM
Aug 2020

It is very very sad. And many of the people of color I speak with about politics seem so out of touch, as if they have been so beaten down politically, they just don't care anymore. So sad, but I try to inspire hope in them for the Dem party!

Gawd, that must have been sickening to help people vote for the shit gibbon. But you maintained your personal integrity and for that I commend you!

MagickMuffin

(15,951 posts)
83. About the 2016 election I was the alternate judge
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:17 PM
Aug 2020

my mate was a clerk. We were both occasionally checking DU throughout the day. Which was extremely weird and strange is we were both on DU when the hack happened, I knew at that moment things were going to be bad for everyone on the planet. It made me sick at my stomach to say the least. And there I was helping his groupies cast their ballot for him "god emperor"


samnsara

(17,635 posts)
11. does he know Blue means dems? If he doesnt vote and doesnt watch the news he may be confused..
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:10 PM
Aug 2020

...good for you for enlightening him!

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
18. Oh yes - good question though
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:23 PM
Aug 2020

I repeated several times that the republicans are trying to close down the post office & that tRump was on the teevee saying he knows not funding the post office will hurt mail-in voting, but was not going to fund it anyway.

And that democrats are fighting for the postal workers and all Americans, as we all very much need and appreciate postal workers.

I'll see him again, if not tomorrow, next week. I have a willing audience, no worries, we will continue to chat. And I will keep reminding him to read from a variety of sources: CNN, NYT, WAPO, NBC, etc.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
15. How could a guy work there his whole life and belong
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:17 PM
Aug 2020

to a union and know nothing. Nevermind we had guys in the steel mill that belonged to the Union and took all the benefits but hated the Union and voted Republican. I worked for AT&T for a while we had 30 something employees in our unit but there was one that wouldn't join the Union. This was in VA a right to work state. Most people can tell you who won the World series in 1960 and name all the players but can't tell you who their Senator is.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
19. Yup, I know precisely what you mean!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:26 PM
Aug 2020

That is the main attitude here, especially among youngish AA persons working in grocery stores, as I rarely go anywhere else. They just don't care. At least until I speak with them. I engage each worker, briefly, thank them for the work they do and ask if they're registered to vote.

Not one has known they can register to vote online with a state ID or DL #, or that the DMV will (usually) provide a free voting picture ID for non-drivers.

And I always ask them to spread the word.

Every now and then I see a light go on behind their eyes and it makes ti all worth it.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
20. A lot of union guys who lived near my parents were the same way.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:27 PM
Aug 2020

I reference the past because union workers are pretty rare in these parts now.

I graduated from high school around the time that new union employees could get paid better elsewhere (after recent bargaining agreements), but the older union employees were still paid like professionals.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
22. We had some people that made over $100000 a year
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:30 PM
Aug 2020

had 5 weeks vacation and all total free healthcare but hated the Union.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
23. It's shocking how people can behave.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:39 PM
Aug 2020

I BRIEFLY worked for a local GM plant after high school, and quickly realized it was for the dogs... especially after dues were taken out of my paltry checks too. The much better-paid older workers would boast about trips in their big boats and all kinds of stuff, like they didn't give a damn that such a life would forever be impossible at my low pay rate. They got theirs!

People have been self-absorbed, with little sense of community, for years.

Edit: My oldest brother worked at Wright-Patt AFB after college, and he described most of his coworkers as being whiny Republicans too. They'd talk about how it was so awful, and a young guy like himself should seek better opportunities at privately-owned businesses. My brother eventually followed their advice and regretted it. He had some well-paying jobs at places like Honeywell and Cray Research (supercomputers) as an engineer, but he said it was a lot of hard work with long hours... and with no real security. He looked back on WPAFB and said, "Those crybabies had it easy! That was the best job in my whole life! I even had some leftover energy after work to play softball with those guys!" (My brother also went blind in middle-age, which probably would've been accommodated at WPAFB.)

doc03

(35,363 posts)
28. Yea we had that too they came up with a two teir
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:48 PM
Aug 2020

wage where the older guys kept theirs and new employees got 1/2 the wages. That was forced on us by the bankrupcy court and guess who Wilber F--'g Ross.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
42. Ugh.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:10 PM
Aug 2020

I think government needs to step-up and offer more bare minimums to its citizenry, because so many of the private tyrannies will just toss people into the streets, without a care in the world, if it improves their bottom-line. (The libertarian "experiment" in Chile provides a glaring example.)

I'm convinced that many businesses would adopt actual slavery again, if it was allowed. Then more reluctant businesses would do the same, arguing that it's "regrettable" but necessary in order to compete.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
47. Right!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:26 PM
Aug 2020

Many businesses in south run on what employees frequently refer to as "plantation mentality."

2 jobs - 1 in NC, 1 in OH absolutely forbid employees to take ANY breaks during 8 hr shift, including lunches.

Illegal? Only in the civilized world where the Constitution & laws matter.

Just 1 example of the crap that happens here.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
56. Management at my last job...
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:38 PM
Aug 2020

... brought up breaks, reminding us that they weren't required to offer them and we should appreciate how they're so nice to us.

That came from the people sitting on their butts constantly, irritated if anyone interrupted their personal chit-chatting to actually make a decision on the production floor. (The occasions when production workers caught glimpses of their idleness in their air-conditioned offices. And it's not like they made good decisions in those situations, but it was required for them to be "the deciders" sometimes. If the more knowledgeable employees did it, they'd get in trouble.)

Reminds me of feudalism, with a collection of privileged lords and vassals while the serfs do the actual work. Well, it seems like it's been going more that direction in this country over the last few decades anyway.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
37. You are so right!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:53 PM
Aug 2020

Sense of community is important & Joe's plan for a $15k 1st time homeowner's program will help!

Rebl2

(13,544 posts)
26. My husband retired
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:45 PM
Aug 2020

from the p.o. and most of the people he worked with were republicans. I don’t get it. They vote against their own interests.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
32. I could never understand
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:49 PM
Aug 2020

How any person who works for a living could even consider voting repuke. Brainwashed, I guess.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
41. Well Union employees voted Democrat but
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:04 PM
Aug 2020

when they became upper middle class they became Republicans. I got mine screw everyone else.

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
78. It's unfathomable, but it's a thing.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:36 PM
Aug 2020

My job's blue collar, IAM. It's an airline job, meaning it's potentially on the chopping block. And not only were a lot of my co-workers gleeful that Trump "won," some remain faithful to this very day. Misogyny and bigotry run rampant among them. Here's a typical comment from a IAM local's article about Kamala Harris:

Quit pushing your political garbage. These so called Democrats you endorse are the same ones pushing the pandemic for political purposes. The ones that you say care about union jobs are the same ones costing us union jobs. You can’t have it both ways!!


Spoiler alert: Nobody complains about "political garbage" when Republicans get credit, as was the case in an article praising Tom $#&@ing Cotton for endorsing an industry bailout.

Brainwashed, yes, but also self-centered and short-sighted.

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
24. Taked to a postal person yesterday
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:42 PM
Aug 2020

Asked about the problems, he said he didn't what I was talking about.

I think they are being told to say that.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
40. I would estimate less than 25% of Americans know about this
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:02 PM
Aug 2020

That is probably extremely high. People going about their daily lives have no idea. Any specialized interest always assumes vast awareness, when it's not anything close to that.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
54. Yup
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:35 PM
Aug 2020

Especially in this area. I was shocked when he asked where I go to learn these things.

Cripes, doesn't everyone live to research? 😳 i know they don't.

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
85. Sure
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 08:51 PM
Aug 2020

Of course there are a lot of low information voters. But that’s not who we are talking about. These are postal employees. They’re jobs are being changed. Their orders are changing. There are pileups of mails in the post office. There would be water cooler talk if nothing else.

patphil

(6,204 posts)
25. I see he said they pay overtime to contract employees, not union.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:43 PM
Aug 2020

That keeps the union worker's pension lower than it should be.

A deliberate screw job to the union employees.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
53. Ty
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:33 PM
Aug 2020

Just sharing info (& digging for clues lol). I had a feeling the guy was clueless, so he needed to know!

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
55. Of course!
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:37 PM
Aug 2020

I wondered what info I might glean, then quickly realized I had a precious blue vote potential! 😍😍😍

We will get into social security next week. 👍

Dem2theMax

(9,653 posts)
36. My jaw dropped when I read he is 65 and has never voted.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 05:53 PM
Aug 2020

I can't understand it.
I feel like it is my duty as an American to vote.
Both of my parents were veterans of World War II.
I understand what they did, so that I can vote.

I wonder if that's where this comes from in all of us, 'us' being those of us so involved in politics, and making sure we vote.

Did we all have someone influence us in some way? How do these other people walk through life and not care about voting? How do they not realize that their vote impacts their life, or their lack of a vote?

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
57. It's very very common here
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:40 PM
Aug 2020

And, with many of the women, it seems that "I never voted" is a bragging point.

I see it as disempowerment which, to me, is 1,000% intolerable!

My dad was a union steward. Lol

CousinIT

(9,256 posts)
99. Anyone who doesn't vote is giving away their power to fascists and oligarchs who will steal...
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:13 PM
Aug 2020

...their wages, pensions, healthcare, social security and USPS. Then they'll blame the Democrats. And the non-voters will suffer and also blame Democrats.

That's how it works. Ignorance and laziness and - sorry but not voting is just freaking lazy.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
100. I completely agree!
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:16 PM
Aug 2020

And to speak with women who seem to wear the "I've never voted in my life" as a badge of honor makes me physically sick!

kacekwl

(7,021 posts)
96. How does a person who works for the post office not know these things ? This is
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 09:38 AM
Aug 2020

Why we have 30% turnout for elections. This is how trump is president. Where are these people and what DO they care about ?

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
101. I know!
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:24 PM
Aug 2020

I was shocked the way he whipped around & asked "really?" When I told him about sorting machine removals.

Clueless.

This is in a suburb of Memphis.

Among the caucasian women I have attempted to engage, they seem to be proud of never having voted. 😳

This sort of unawareness is very very common in this area, esp among younger poc in my experience, although this carrier was caucasian.

As stated above when I grocery shop, I engage the youngish workers to thank them for their work, many poc, and to encourage them to "vote the racist republicans out."

Most haven't a clue and little interest but, occasionally, I see a star being born when the light of empowerment clicks on as we chat.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
52. Thank you, Professor.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:32 PM
Aug 2020

When Hillary was running, I'd walk around, slowly shopping for hours, chatting with folks. Cannot take that chance of exposure now.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
58. Maybe
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:44 PM
Aug 2020

But he has been my carrier gor 2 years & seemed quite bitter about ot pay for non full time employees.

oasis

(49,401 posts)
66. Full time carriers can sign up for overtime (8+hrs.) if they wish. Carriers
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:58 PM
Aug 2020

who don't sign up for overtime, but feel they can't complete their route in 8 hrs. because the mail is extra heavy on certain days, advise their supervisors. The supervisors then assign other carriers to work the excess street time hours.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
51. That couldn't be his Union.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:30 PM
Aug 2020

If he's a letter carrier, his union would be the National Association of Letter Carriers. Joining is not mandatory.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
79. Sorry. It was the 1st site presented when I googled.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:36 PM
Aug 2020

From the American Postal Workers Union site:

The APWU represents more than 220,000 USPS employees and retirees, and nearly 2,000 private-sector mail workers. Depending on their occupation, APWU members belong to the Clerk, Maintenance, Motor Vehicle, or Support Services divisions.


But not the letter carriers. Yikes. I overlooked that pertinent fact. Thanks for making that clear.

Was just thinking he should be aware of the Union's activities in opposition to TRump#s PMG.

Unfortunately, southerners traditionally don't favor unions anyway.




AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
64. many postal workers can be low information voters or non voters
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:53 PM
Aug 2020

it takes a genius to properly reach out to those people by candidates.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
65. Apparently so
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 06:55 PM
Aug 2020

Everyone should try to speak with their postal carrier, imo. I was waiting for him today.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. "I kept repeating to vote blue to save your pension." Good
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:11 PM
Aug 2020

deed in more ways than one. This man badly needs a babysitter.

oasis

(49,401 posts)
77. Postal retirees fall under the federal retirement system (civil service)
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:33 PM
Aug 2020

monthly payments are made through the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

The USPS can crash and burn, hopefully it doesn't, but if it does, former employees will still recieve their pensions. For life.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
72. Spoke to my rural postal carrier too
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:16 PM
Aug 2020

she also had no clue what was going on

Tragically, she's Ultra religious and thinks gawd will work out out

Religious people have always frightened me for exactly this reason. Those are the same people I see not wearing masks. Not because "freedumb", but because "gawd".

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
73. I imagine that some areas don't see slowdowns. This is like what we've seen for years with
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:17 PM
Aug 2020

pulling voting booths out of college areas and poorer areas to create long lines.

There aren't long lines to vote in redder, more wealthy areas. They likely wouldn't cripple USPS in red areas right before an election.

renate

(13,776 posts)
81. yep
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:39 PM
Aug 2020

I live in a red suburb of a blue city in a blue state, and I would never have noticed a thing.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
82. Well
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 07:41 PM
Aug 2020

It is surreal. He was very interested in what I had to say, shared about his tenure & retirement.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
93. Sadly, very common here
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:58 AM
Aug 2020

Many women seem to think this is a bragging point.

It's surreal, to say the least.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
94. This does not surprise me at all
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 09:09 AM
Aug 2020

There always seems to a lot of consternation when word of top level management shake ups comes out, but these managers are so far removed from the day-to-day operations of any gov't agency, they have little impact on the civil servants actually doing the work.

AFAIK, the mail trucks are equipped with GPS so the post office manager knows where every truck is. The mailcarries are tracked pretty relentlessly it seems.

When I worked in DoD, assistant secretary for this, that and the other thing came and went. So did SecDefs. Little changed for those of us peons doing the work where the rubber hits the road. I still chuckle at the time all our command's managers went on a retreat for the day. Those of us left behind were happy we had an entire day to do our work and not be bothered by "the bosses".

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
95. Me either, tbh
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 09:25 AM
Aug 2020

Some DUers have posted that their carriers had been given new directives and that is what I was initially fishing for.

I know what you mean though & have been in non-govt positions that were run the same way.

What did somewhat amaze me, though, was that this carrier was astounded to learn what's happening with the USPS! And that he did not know where to look for news! 🤯 but I was happy to inform him.

His body language, questions, and peaked listening told me he was intently interested.

As a carrier of nearly 20 years set to retire next year, I'm hoping to get he and his family & coworkers to vote blue! Wouldn't it be something if chumputin's attack on our beloved USPS turned TN blue in Nov? It could happen, if and only if, people get off their asses & register & vote!

Perhaps chumputin is worried. I saw & posted an article yesterday informing that kanye west filed papers to be on ballot in TN. same is true for a few other red states. Speaks volumes, I think!

Anyway, I will keep talking with my carrier, encouraging him to read from a reliable base of news sources, to register and vote blue, as well as to share the info he learns with family, friends & coworkers. He just might, as this could well cost him his retirement!

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
102. I've heard over the years that USPS has
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 PM
Aug 2020

a lot of ex-military and is run like the military, very controlling of its employees. Also that the rank and file hates management. I have no first hand knowledge, just what I've heard said.

I'm not really surprised that a mailman wouldn't know all the current machinations. I'd say that's because whatever is happening is not really affecting them. They're just coming in to work each day and doing their job.

The people who would really know work at the sorting facilities. There's a big sort facility not far from where I live on the North Side of Pittsburgh. So far, no stories in the local media about changes there.

Also, there's a reason gov't agencies are referred to as a bureaucracy. Changes do not move quickly regardless of who's in charge. It makes me think some of the letter sorting machines may have already been planned to be moved or changed out to make way for package sorting before DeJoy even got there. Mail has been declining for awhile. It makes sense to me that planning would've been underway to adapt to less mail/more packages for awhile, too. This is something that House Dems should be able to find out via USPS budget documents.

Anyway, good job to put a bug in your mailman's ear about voting and especially voting in his own interest.

babylonsister

(171,081 posts)
97. It's kind of appalling to me a 65 year old man
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 11:27 AM
Aug 2020

doesn't watch or listen to news. Maybe that keeps his stress low, but seriously.

qwlauren35

(6,150 posts)
104. Mine was a brief message.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 01:49 PM
Aug 2020

I told him how much I appreciate him, and thank him for all that he does. He said we'll try to fix it in November.

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