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Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:23 AM Aug 2020

HUGE STORY not getting much press. First time in USA history, the USA gov't controls stock prices.




HUGE STORY not getting much press. First time in USA history, the USA gov't controls stock prices. The Fed and Mnuchin are buying $1,250,000,000,000 (yep Trillions) of corporate bonds resulting in spikes in the stock prices of those companies."


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HUGE STORY not getting much press. First time in USA history, the USA gov't controls stock prices. (Original Post) Demovictory9 Aug 2020 OP
Give him nothing... LakeVermilion Aug 2020 #1
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Aug 2020 #2
Pkay here is am actual source story whistler162 Aug 2020 #3
Rt! Cha Aug 2020 #4
Stocks had been falling back down when Fed propped up market with this scheme wishstar Aug 2020 #5
K&R ck4829 Aug 2020 #6
The Piper will be Paid.... ashredux Aug 2020 #7
The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT the government James48 Aug 2020 #8
+1 melm00se Aug 2020 #15
Thank you. The Federal Reserve is owned by ten big private banks, not the govt. nt Nay Aug 2020 #23
trumps using the treasury to make the markets look better for political gains duforsure Aug 2020 #9
Of course! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #10
+1, ... and if Biden wins America will get bent 4th quarter this year. At minimum the stock market uponit7771 Aug 2020 #12
The Chair of the Fed did say there was no limit to how much money would be put into the market. kentuck Aug 2020 #11
Trillions to be used for his political benefit duforsure Aug 2020 #13
Is this the same old story the TWO SANTA CLAUSE shuffle with a twist. What individuals are getting.. usaf-vet Aug 2020 #14
This is a good maneuver... reACTIONary Aug 2020 #16
I told my sister that I feel the NYSE is being converted into Jarqui Aug 2020 #17
That is the capitalism that the right loves to worship Chainfire Aug 2020 #18
Printing money? keithbvadu2 Aug 2020 #19
Their capitalism is really socialism for the rich. cbdo2007 Aug 2020 #20
So far M1 money supply YoY is up 38 pct. roamer65 Aug 2020 #21
Maybe, but maybe not. James48 Aug 2020 #24
If they keep it up, it will start a currency crisis. roamer65 Aug 2020 #27
President Biden, and Kamala Harris bluestarone Aug 2020 #22
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #25
Buying up bonds does not raise stock prices. Amishman Aug 2020 #26
Hey, when the govt controls stock prices, isn't thaaaaaaat..... Yavin4 Aug 2020 #28
Dun dun dunnnn! ck4829 Aug 2020 #29
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
3. Pkay here is am actual source story
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:58 AM
Aug 2020

not just some twit tweeting?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/the-fed-is-buying-some-of-the-biggest-companies-bonds-raising-questions-over-why.html

"The Federal Reserve is continuing to buy corporate bonds, following up on a pledge it made in March.
Corporate America titans such as Microsoft, Apple and Home Depot have been among the beneficiaries.
Questions have been raised over “moral hazard” as the Fed buys debt from companies that don’t seem to need the central bank’s help."

Remember back in 2008/2009 the Federal government's bailout of the auto industry bought a stake in that in that industry until they purchased it back from the feds.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
5. Stocks had been falling back down when Fed propped up market with this scheme
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:55 AM
Aug 2020

The recovery of the stock market was faltering despite the huge stimulus money provided earlier this year by Congress. All along the Fed and Mnuchin pulled out one trick after another each time there were drops in market until they ran out of tricks and came up with the corporate bond purchases to infuse massive amounts of money virtually interest-free with no strings attached to some of the largest companies, not just those like the airlines that were in trouble.

Big part of Repubs unwillingness for a 3rd stimulus is because the Fed has successfully kept market up with the huge corporate bailouts.
Other reason is that they want to force unemployed to be so desperate they have to take any job which will lower unemployment numbers to help keeper monster in WH.

James48

(4,436 posts)
8. The Federal Reserve Bank is NOT the government
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:13 AM
Aug 2020

They are a quasi-private entity, that is not directly controlled by the government. Yes, it’s members are appointed by the President for 14 year terms, but they don’t take day to day direction from the executive branch.

Just saying-

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
9. trumps using the treasury to make the markets look better for political gains
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:15 AM
Aug 2020

So he can brag and use it to claim how great his economy is, when in reality its not , and guess who pay for it, we will. When he loses he'll stop, use it as a weapon causing it to crash then to claim its from electing Biden and Democrats. trump will threaten the country and all Americans more until election day , then he'll get worse when he loses.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
12. +1, ... and if Biden wins America will get bent 4th quarter this year. At minimum the stock market
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:39 AM
Aug 2020

... will go nowhere, somethings wrong with the markets and all money folk know it.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
11. The Chair of the Fed did say there was no limit to how much money would be put into the market.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:36 AM
Aug 2020

Yes, it has been happening.

It appears that much of the stimulus that was meant to save small businesses has been going to Wall Street to protect the stocks of big business.

And Trump gets to brag about the stock market.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
13. Trillions to be used for his political benefit
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:53 AM
Aug 2020

While nothing for the people starving them back to work ,, and he'll back lower wages, less benefits , less health care, and to weaken unions , then onto destroying Social Security , Medicare, and then to allow companies to drain and destroy pensions and their funds . We'll pay dearly for the trillions he's using for this, and it will be a lot more than we know now.

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
14. Is this the same old story the TWO SANTA CLAUSE shuffle with a twist. What individuals are getting..
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 07:04 AM
Aug 2020

.... richer with the market manipulation using taxpayer $$$$ to bolster an otherwise failing economy? My guess would be the Trump insiders (grifters).

So when Biden wins he starts in a huge HOLE that Trump and his con men dug. The (Rs) will start screaming about the deficit.

This ruse is better known as the TWO SANTA CLAUSE THEORY.

When the republican are in charge the spend spend spend and raise the debt. Then when Democrats are in the WH the republicans whine about the deficit THEY increased.

See this posting for a complete explanation of this OLD republican ruse played over and over.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13881187



reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
16. This is a good maneuver...
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 08:15 AM
Aug 2020

... the Fed is doing it's job. We don't want our economy to collapse, we don't want a panic, we don't want a death spiral.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
17. I told my sister that I feel the NYSE is being converted into
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 08:54 AM
Aug 2020

a Trump casino - corrupt like his administration.
We know how his casinos end.

If Biden remains out front, they'll pull the plug on the bonds and tell voters it is Biden's fault.

James48

(4,436 posts)
24. Maybe, but maybe not.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:04 PM
Aug 2020

The inflation is going to be in the price of stocks, not the prices of goods.

The economy does need a small amount of inflation anyway- we used to get that triggered by minimum wage increases every year back in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.

Now we only get a minimum wage increase when Dems control both houses and the WH.

I hope that will be in January. We need to make a to-do list for the first 100 days, that includes some kind of a minimum wage boost, as well as other things.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
27. If they keep it up, it will start a currency crisis.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 08:19 PM
Aug 2020

Then we will get a whole gob of inflation at once.

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
22. President Biden, and Kamala Harris
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 10:07 AM
Aug 2020

Will have an ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE task when they win in Nov.! putin and RUMP, (with the help of EVERY RETHUGLICON senators) will Have this great country on it's knees! We know the stock market crash coming will DESTROY us. (my thoughts here) Gonna take GREAT SKILL to save us!!

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
26. Buying up bonds does not raise stock prices.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:08 PM
Aug 2020

If the bonds are previously issued, their changing hands has no impact on the parent company.

If they are newly issued, it adds long term debt which hurts their balance sheet - which would be expected to hurt their stock price.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
28. Hey, when the govt controls stock prices, isn't thaaaaaaat.....
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 08:33 PM
Aug 2020

big hairy, scary, SOCIALISM!!!!

Booga! Booga!

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