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Serious question - has any president in history ever held a funeral service for (Original Post) malaise Aug 2020 OP
Dunno. SheltieLover Aug 2020 #1
Trump wants people to come to him. He can't be bothered going to some funeral home or church. TheBlackAdder Aug 2020 #40
Yup - make it about himself SheltieLover Aug 2020 #46
There is no bottom to this pit. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2020 #2
Did you ever believe that there was a bottom to this pit? Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #3
I thought by now someone would have stepped in TheCowsCameHome Aug 2020 #13
I can understand the hope that someone would step in Sherman A1 Aug 2020 #19
I thought so, too SheltieLover Aug 2020 #47
We knew that pit was bottomless the moment he said "I'm running for president" In It to Win It Aug 2020 #56
You said it! smirkymonkey Aug 2020 #9
He should throw himself on the pyre Orrex Aug 2020 #4
It's all about feeding Trump's enormous ego dlk Aug 2020 #5
Holding it at the White House makes it more about Donald than Robert. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2020 #6
This!👆 SheltieLover Aug 2020 #48
He's going to make it a public spectacle for a reason. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #7
He still jealous of John Lewis. I know Bill Clinton's mom died while he was in office Walleye Aug 2020 #8
Why does he think anyone will Polly Hennessey Aug 2020 #10
That was my first thought when I heard! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2020 #11
Well, here's a slightly contrary view PJMcK Aug 2020 #12
The weddings held at the WH were the children of sitting presidents, Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #15
+1. dalton99a Aug 2020 #17
Right you are, TT PJMcK Aug 2020 #27
which makes dubious Dotard's claim treestar Aug 2020 #35
I guess when you have NO friends, a brother who Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #36
Barbara Bush funeral at a church in Houston, and buried at the GHWB Presidential Library muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #44
Oh, the joys of a failing memory. Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #50
Good points! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #49
See Totally Tunsie's response malaise Aug 2020 #20
Yeah, I know PJMcK Aug 2020 #23
LOL malaise Aug 2020 #24
HA! Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #29
and were children. n/t dixiegrrrrl Aug 2020 #55
Thanks for the history lesson, but it really isn't the same kcr Aug 2020 #52
So we pay the bill? pandr32 Aug 2020 #14
Post removed Post removed Aug 2020 #18
Who is paying for the family to travel from New York? malaise Aug 2020 #21
I think you have to go back to Lincoln frazzled Aug 2020 #16
So there was the funeral of a family friend malaise Aug 2020 #22
Not just a friend: the first Union soldier to be killed in the Civil War frazzled Aug 2020 #25
Important details malaise Aug 2020 #26
Willie Lincoln, their youngest child, his funeral eas at the WH. Same source irisblue Aug 2020 #37
A child is not the same as a sibling kcr Aug 2020 #53
No, no it is not, having read Lincoln in the Bardo recently irisblue Aug 2020 #54
Not many people know about Ellsworth's relationship appalachiablue Aug 2020 #57
Does Robert have a wife and children? treestar Aug 2020 #28
He married his mother's hairstyle malaise Aug 2020 #30
What is it with Trump hair? treestar Aug 2020 #31
Did you notice that he only married her in March of this year malaise Aug 2020 #32
Awfully close to the end of his life treestar Aug 2020 #33
That was the first thing that crossed my mind malaise Aug 2020 #34
President and Mrs. Kennedy's son Patrick's funeral and burial phylny Aug 2020 #38
Thanks malaise Aug 2020 #39
I think this stinks too MissMillie Aug 2020 #41
I'm thinking back here... jmowreader Aug 2020 #42
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Aug 2020 #43
Maybe they'll bury him in the rose garden mokawanis Aug 2020 #45
He's too damn cheap to pay for a funeral home Buckeyeblue Aug 2020 #51
Lincoln held a funeral for his son Retrograde Aug 2020 #58

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
2. There is no bottom to this pit.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:38 PM
Aug 2020

This will be another cheesey MAGA rally/praise fest. I hope Robert reaches up and pulls his evil brother with into coffin with him.

Every day it's something more outrageous than the day before.

(Did I mention I mention I hate this mass of snot with a purple passion?)

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. Did you ever believe that there was a bottom to this pit?
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:40 PM
Aug 2020

I'm actually surprised it isn't worse. Shows what a slacker this clown is.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
13. I thought by now someone would have stepped in
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:10 PM
Aug 2020

and brought this wretched POS under control.

I was wrong, and I admit it.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
19. I can understand the hope that someone would step in
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:42 PM
Aug 2020

but, that was never realistically going to happen. We are lucky that it isn't worse.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
47. I thought so, too
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:53 PM
Aug 2020

I love our country, but am appalled at what is going on & that no officials can stop him.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. You said it!
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:44 PM
Aug 2020

Every goddamned day it's a new low with this motherf***er! It is truly unbelievable. I am just gobsmacked right now.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
4. He should throw himself on the pyre
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:40 PM
Aug 2020

Or, at the very least, lie on top of the coffin as they bury it.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
5. It's all about feeding Trump's enormous ego
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:41 PM
Aug 2020

His brother may have been the on who died, but Trump will manage to make the event all about him.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
7. He's going to make it a public spectacle for a reason.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:42 PM
Aug 2020

That reason is to make himself a victim and give the RWNM a club to bludgeon any Liberal who dares to object as "Political".

At this point, we have to grit our teeth and ignore the insults.

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
11. That was my first thought when I heard!
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 12:55 PM
Aug 2020

Family funerals are a private matter unless the deceased served and was known at a national level - like John Lewis! Trump has no clue about tradition or decorum, and of course this has now become all about him!

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
12. Well, here's a slightly contrary view
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:09 PM
Aug 2020

My dear, malaise, I think you know of my Progressive and Democratic bona fides but here's a thought.

Both LBJ's daughter and Nixon's daughter were married in the White House. In fact, there have been about two dozen White House Weddings:

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/weddings-at-the-white-house

It doesn't appear that there have been funerals at the White House, however. When a president dies, the body usually lies in state at the Capitol not the White House:

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/a-presidental-funeral

Only one president has had a child born in the White House. It was Grover Cleveland.

Then on Sept. 9, 1893, (the Clevelands) welcomed a second daughter, Esther. She remains the only child born in the actual executive mansion.


More at: https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2011/0619/Father-s-Day-2011-How-many-presidential-babies-were-born-at-White-House

Regardless, the president lives in the White House and should be able to use it appropriately. If they can have a wedding and a birth, why not a funeral?

Of course, I know it's all bullshit and Trump is simply looking for a distraction or a chance to make himself the victim YET AGAIN! I just thought a little history would be interesting!

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
15. The weddings held at the WH were the children of sitting presidents,
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:16 PM
Aug 2020

and the WH was their home also. Robert tRump didn't live at the WH, and may not have even visited there. Line has to be drawn somewhere. AFAIK, the only parents honored in such a way were FLOTUSes, i.e. Barbara Bush.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
27. Right you are, TT
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:23 PM
Aug 2020

I was just thinking of other family events that have been held at the White House.

Trump can go fuck himself.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
35. which makes dubious Dotard's claim
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:59 PM
Aug 2020

that his brother was his "best friend." How come we've never heard of him before then? Stupid Dotard.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
36. I guess when you have NO friends, a brother who
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:02 PM
Aug 2020

send you a Christmas card might qualify as "best friend".

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
44. Barbara Bush funeral at a church in Houston, and buried at the GHWB Presidential Library
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:02 PM
Aug 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush

The Guardian says "Though private ceremonies are not common at the executive mansion, they are not unknown" without giving examples.

The Daily Mail (not always reliable, but it looks like they've made some effort) says

Although Trump did not say if he wanted to transport Robert’s body to Washington, D.C. for the service, only one known service for a non-president has taken place in the White House.

Willie Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln’s son, died in February 1862 of typhoid fever aged 11, and his family held a private service in the Green Room before his burial.

Woodrow Wilson’s first wife, Ellen Louise Axson Wilson died of Bright's disease in August 1914, although it is unclear if she had a funeral service in the executive mansion.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8635901/Donald-Trump-says-service-dead-brother-Robert-White-House.html

So that's just 2, who both would have lived in the White House.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
50. Oh, the joys of a failing memory.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 07:03 PM
Aug 2020

Thanks for the correction. I would have bet $$$ that BB had some funeral time in DC, but obviously I'd lose.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
52. Thanks for the history lesson, but it really isn't the same
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 07:15 PM
Aug 2020

If this were his child, you'd have a point.

pandr32

(11,589 posts)
14. So we pay the bill?
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:12 PM
Aug 2020

No doubt Trumpie will loot as much money as possible and use the event for sympathy. He is beyond vile.

Response to pandr32 (Reply #14)

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
16. I think you have to go back to Lincoln
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:16 PM
Aug 2020
The nation's capital mourned the president's death with several state functions. On Tuesday, April 18, huge crowds pressed through the White House gates to catch a glimpse of the president lying in state in the East Room. Then a work crew prepared the chamber for the next day's funeral. Immediately following the funeral a massive procession worked its way down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, witnessed by immense crowds. Inside the darkened Capitol Rotunda a select group of mourners attended a private burial service. On the following day the great Rotunda doors opened to all, allowing a brief opportunity to see the assassinated president.

On April 21 after early morning prayers and a final farewell from Cabinet members, veterans carried the president's coffin down the Capitol steps. Only blocks away a large crowd awaited the cortege at the railroad station. A special train bore the remains of Lincoln and his son Willie to Springfield, Illinois. It slowly passed along a similiar route to the one the president-elect took to Washington in 1861. Even more funerals honored the president in major cities such as New York, Indianapolis and Chicago. By the time the door to the cemetery's receiving vault clanged shut, millions of Americans saw some portion of the grand funeral drama.

Lincoln's East Room funeral generally followed customs dating from the rites for Presidents Harrison and Taylor, who died in office in 1841 and 1850, respectively. However, for one reporter old enough to remember, "the arrangements on those occasions were far inferior to the present." President Lincoln's funeral was the last of three held in the East Room during the war. The first, in 1861, memorialized 24-year-old Colonel Elmer Ellsworth, a friend of the family who was assassinated in Alexandria, Virginia. The second, in 1862, was a particularly heart-breaking service for the president's 11-year-old son Willie.

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/education/whfuneral.htm


frazzled

(18,402 posts)
25. Not just a friend: the first Union soldier to be killed in the Civil War
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:19 PM
Aug 2020

and a clerk in Lincoln's Springfield office. And yes, assassinated while taking down a Confederate flag.

https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/NtDXvhYeCwNi5MpvRPYGE07oZHM=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/


The image was taken around 1861 by an unknown portraitist in the New York studio of Mathew Brady, the photographer who would become indelibly associated with Civil War images. The photograph is a print from an original glass negative purchased by the NPG in 1981.

Ellsworth was a man with large military ambitions, but his meteoric fame came in a way he could not have hoped for: posthumously. At the age of 24, as commander of the 11th New York Volunteers, also known as the First Fire Zouaves, Ellsworth became the first Union officer killed in the war.

He was not just any Union officer. After working as a patent agent in Rockford, Illinois, in 1854, Ellsworth studied law in Chicago, where he also served as a colonel commanding National Guard cadets. In 1860, Ellsworth took a job in Abraham Lincoln’s Springfield law office. The young clerk and Lincoln became friends, and when the president-elect moved to Washington in 1861, Ellsworth accompanied him. A student of military history and tactics, Ellsworth admired the Zouaves, Algerian troops fighting with the French Army in North Africa, and had employed their training methods with his cadets. He even designed a uniform with baggy trousers in the Zouave style.

... On May 24, 1861, the day after Virginia voters ratified the state convention’s decision to secede from the Union, Ellsworth and his troops entered Alexandria, Virginia, to assist in the occupation of the city. As it happened, an 8- by 14-foot Confederate flag—large enough to be seen by spyglass from the White House—had been visible in Alexandria for weeks, flown from the roof of an inn, the Marshall House.

Ellsworth approached the inn with only four troopers. Finding no resistance, he took down the flag, but as he descended to the main floor, Jackson fired on Ellsworth at point-blank range with a shotgun, killing him instantly. One of Ellsworth’s men, Cpl. Francis Brownell, then fatally shot Jackson.

A reporter from the New York Tribune happened to be on the scene; news of the shootings traveled fast. Because Ellsworth had been Lincoln’s friend, his body was taken to the White House, where it lay in state, and then to New York City, where thousands lined up to view the cortege bearing Ellsworth’s coffin. Along the route, a group of mourners displayed a banner that declared: “Ellsworth, ‘His blood cries for vengeance.’”

“Remember Ellsworth!” became a Union rallying cry, and the 44th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment was nicknamed Ellsworth’s Avengers. According to Barber, “Throughout the conflict, his name, face and valor would be recalled on stationery, in sheet music and in memorial lithographs.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-death-of-colonel-ellsworth-878695/


I copied too much, I know ... but since folks rarely click on links, I thought it was both important to this discussion ... and oddly relevant to today, when those trying to remove flags and monuments to racists are being attacked as well.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
53. A child is not the same as a sibling
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 07:18 PM
Aug 2020

Minor children of presidents usually live at the White House, for one thing.

irisblue

(32,982 posts)
54. No, no it is not, having read Lincoln in the Bardo recently
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 07:27 PM
Aug 2020

I found it an interesting fact. YMMV.
enjoy your evening

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
57. Not many people know about Ellsworth's relationship
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 10:31 PM
Aug 2020

with the Lincoln family and his bravery in Alexandria, Va. I worked there and so know of him. His dealth was a big deal and memorialzed.

malaise

(269,063 posts)
30. He married his mother's hairstyle
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:37 PM
Aug 2020


https://www.thelist.com/237117/ann-marie-pallan-who-is-robert-trumps-wife/
<snip>
Ann Marie Pallan was born Anne Marie Monte, and her family owned what was once Brooklyn's oldest Italian restaurant, which was once a Prohibition speakeasy, and was an establishment of choice for Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. Like Robert Trump, she was previously married. Her first husband Thomas Pallan, is a doctor, but it is not known when they divorced. She has two children, a son, and a daughter. She is also a grandmother as her daughter has two children (via Heavy). 

It is not known when Pallan met Trump, although numerous newspaper reports say she was his executive assistant while he was a senior executive in the Trump organization (via New York Post). Page Six also says Pallan was a fixture in Trump's life as far back as October 2004 (four years before Robert and Blaine filed for divorce). Page Six reported on Blaine Trump's "accidental overdose," for which she was hospitalized for several days, after she learned that Robert had bought a house for Pallan worth $3.7 million in Long Island. After the divorce, Trump and Pallan stayed out of the spotlight but continued to be involved in charity work.

Pallan and her siblings opened a refreshed version of the old family restaurant in 2015, where Robert Trump used to be a regular on Friday nights. Pallan told Rural Intelligence that no Trump money was used to open the family diner, Monte's. Earlier this year, the restaurant used Facebook to announce that it would close on June 22 to reevaluate its future.

Read More: https://www.thelist.com/237117/ann-marie-pallan-who-is-robert-trumps-wife/?utm_campaign=clip

treestar

(82,383 posts)
33. Awfully close to the end of his life
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:52 PM
Aug 2020

hmmm, and his next heir would be Blaine's son he adopted. Will contest?

malaise

(269,063 posts)
34. That was the first thing that crossed my mind
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:55 PM
Aug 2020

This is going to be interesting - prohibition tearoom and all

phylny

(8,381 posts)
38. President and Mrs. Kennedy's son Patrick's funeral and burial
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:20 PM
Aug 2020

were in Massachussets. I hadn’t remembered that she had miscarried early in her first pregnancy and gave birth to a stillborn daughter as well. Five pregnancies total.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
42. I'm thinking back here...
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:53 PM
Aug 2020

...and I can't recall a time when a funeral for a president was held at the White House. They always go to a church like the National Cathedral.

No, no, there are two reasons Trump wants to hold his brother's funeral at the White House: because he wants to steal attention from the Democratic National Convention, and because every preacher they asked refused to allow a Trump funeral on their property on grounds that if they allowed more than one Trump inside, the building would catch fire.

mokawanis

(4,443 posts)
45. Maybe they'll bury him in the rose garden
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 06:09 PM
Aug 2020

Just dig a big hole and toss him in there. Give trump an excuse to the WH after he loses the election.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
58. Lincoln held a funeral for his son
Tue Aug 18, 2020, 10:31 PM
Aug 2020

who died in the White House.

WRT Robert Trump, wouldn't his wife have the deciding vote on his funeral arrangements? Unless he left specific instructions the next of kin generally decide funerals.

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