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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSerious question - has any president in history ever held a funeral service for
a sibling at the White House?
This fucker is out of his mind.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Yes, he is crazy. Convenient distraction.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I have no inside info, but I'll bet it was covid & casket will be empty.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)This will be another cheesey MAGA rally/praise fest. I hope Robert reaches up and pulls his evil brother with into coffin with him.
Every day it's something more outrageous than the day before.
(Did I mention I mention I hate this mass of snot with a purple passion?)
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I'm actually surprised it isn't worse. Shows what a slacker this clown is.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)and brought this wretched POS under control.
I was wrong, and I admit it.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)but, that was never realistically going to happen. We are lucky that it isn't worse.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I love our country, but am appalled at what is going on & that no officials can stop him.
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Every goddamned day it's a new low with this motherf***er! It is truly unbelievable. I am just gobsmacked right now.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Or, at the very least, lie on top of the coffin as they bury it.
dlk
(11,569 posts)His brother may have been the on who died, but Trump will manage to make the event all about him.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,842 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Campaign rally.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)That reason is to make himself a victim and give the RWNM a club to bludgeon any Liberal who dares to object as "Political".
At this point, we have to grit our teeth and ignore the insults.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)Polly Hennessey
(6,799 posts)pay attention. His brother died, that is private.
Rhiannon12866
(205,552 posts)Family funerals are a private matter unless the deceased served and was known at a national level - like John Lewis! Trump has no clue about tradition or decorum, and of course this has now become all about him!
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)My dear, malaise, I think you know of my Progressive and Democratic bona fides but here's a thought.
Both LBJ's daughter and Nixon's daughter were married in the White House. In fact, there have been about two dozen White House Weddings:
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/weddings-at-the-white-house
It doesn't appear that there have been funerals at the White House, however. When a president dies, the body usually lies in state at the Capitol not the White House:
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/a-presidental-funeral
Only one president has had a child born in the White House. It was Grover Cleveland.
More at: https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2011/0619/Father-s-Day-2011-How-many-presidential-babies-were-born-at-White-House
Regardless, the president lives in the White House and should be able to use it appropriately. If they can have a wedding and a birth, why not a funeral?
Of course, I know it's all bullshit and Trump is simply looking for a distraction or a chance to make himself the victim YET AGAIN! I just thought a little history would be interesting!
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)and the WH was their home also. Robert tRump didn't live at the WH, and may not have even visited there. Line has to be drawn somewhere. AFAIK, the only parents honored in such a way were FLOTUSes, i.e. Barbara Bush.
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)PJMcK
(22,037 posts)I was just thinking of other family events that have been held at the White House.
Trump can go fuck himself.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that his brother was his "best friend." How come we've never heard of him before then? Stupid Dotard.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)send you a Christmas card might qualify as "best friend".
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)The Guardian says "Though private ceremonies are not common at the executive mansion, they are not unknown" without giving examples.
The Daily Mail (not always reliable, but it looks like they've made some effort) says
Willie Lincoln, Abraham Lincolns son, died in February 1862 of typhoid fever aged 11, and his family held a private service in the Green Room before his burial.
Woodrow Wilsons first wife, Ellen Louise Axson Wilson died of Bright's disease in August 1914, although it is unclear if she had a funeral service in the executive mansion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8635901/Donald-Trump-says-service-dead-brother-Robert-White-House.html
So that's just 2, who both would have lived in the White House.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Thanks for the correction. I would have bet $$$ that BB had some funeral time in DC, but obviously I'd lose.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Chump wants campaign rally in WH.
malaise
(269,063 posts)Those children lived there.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)It's not really an argument I was trying very hard to win!
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)If this were his child, you'd have a point.
pandr32
(11,589 posts)No doubt Trumpie will loot as much money as possible and use the event for sympathy. He is beyond vile.
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malaise
(269,063 posts)This is madness
frazzled
(18,402 posts)The nation's capital mourned the president's death with several state functions. On Tuesday, April 18, huge crowds pressed through the White House gates to catch a glimpse of the president lying in state in the East Room. Then a work crew prepared the chamber for the next day's funeral. Immediately following the funeral a massive procession worked its way down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, witnessed by immense crowds. Inside the darkened Capitol Rotunda a select group of mourners attended a private burial service. On the following day the great Rotunda doors opened to all, allowing a brief opportunity to see the assassinated president.
On April 21 after early morning prayers and a final farewell from Cabinet members, veterans carried the president's coffin down the Capitol steps. Only blocks away a large crowd awaited the cortege at the railroad station. A special train bore the remains of Lincoln and his son Willie to Springfield, Illinois. It slowly passed along a similiar route to the one the president-elect took to Washington in 1861. Even more funerals honored the president in major cities such as New York, Indianapolis and Chicago. By the time the door to the cemetery's receiving vault clanged shut, millions of Americans saw some portion of the grand funeral drama.
Lincoln's East Room funeral generally followed customs dating from the rites for Presidents Harrison and Taylor, who died in office in 1841 and 1850, respectively. However, for one reporter old enough to remember, "the arrangements on those occasions were far inferior to the present." President Lincoln's funeral was the last of three held in the East Room during the war. The first, in 1861, memorialized 24-year-old Colonel Elmer Ellsworth, a friend of the family who was assassinated in Alexandria, Virginia. The second, in 1862, was a particularly heart-breaking service for the president's 11-year-old son Willie.
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/education/whfuneral.htm
malaise
(269,063 posts)assassinated during the war.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and a clerk in Lincoln's Springfield office. And yes, assassinated while taking down a Confederate flag.
https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/NtDXvhYeCwNi5MpvRPYGE07oZHM=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/
The image was taken around 1861 by an unknown portraitist in the New York studio of Mathew Brady, the photographer who would become indelibly associated with Civil War images. The photograph is a print from an original glass negative purchased by the NPG in 1981.
Ellsworth was a man with large military ambitions, but his meteoric fame came in a way he could not have hoped for: posthumously. At the age of 24, as commander of the 11th New York Volunteers, also known as the First Fire Zouaves, Ellsworth became the first Union officer killed in the war.
He was not just any Union officer. After working as a patent agent in Rockford, Illinois, in 1854, Ellsworth studied law in Chicago, where he also served as a colonel commanding National Guard cadets. In 1860, Ellsworth took a job in Abraham Lincolns Springfield law office. The young clerk and Lincoln became friends, and when the president-elect moved to Washington in 1861, Ellsworth accompanied him. A student of military history and tactics, Ellsworth admired the Zouaves, Algerian troops fighting with the French Army in North Africa, and had employed their training methods with his cadets. He even designed a uniform with baggy trousers in the Zouave style.
... On May 24, 1861, the day after Virginia voters ratified the state conventions decision to secede from the Union, Ellsworth and his troops entered Alexandria, Virginia, to assist in the occupation of the city. As it happened, an 8- by 14-foot Confederate flaglarge enough to be seen by spyglass from the White Househad been visible in Alexandria for weeks, flown from the roof of an inn, the Marshall House.
Ellsworth approached the inn with only four troopers. Finding no resistance, he took down the flag, but as he descended to the main floor, Jackson fired on Ellsworth at point-blank range with a shotgun, killing him instantly. One of Ellsworths men, Cpl. Francis Brownell, then fatally shot Jackson.
A reporter from the New York Tribune happened to be on the scene; news of the shootings traveled fast. Because Ellsworth had been Lincolns friend, his body was taken to the White House, where it lay in state, and then to New York City, where thousands lined up to view the cortege bearing Ellsworths coffin. Along the route, a group of mourners displayed a banner that declared: Ellsworth, His blood cries for vengeance.
Remember Ellsworth! became a Union rallying cry, and the 44th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment was nicknamed Ellsworths Avengers. According to Barber, Throughout the conflict, his name, face and valor would be recalled on stationery, in sheet music and in memorial lithographs.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-death-of-colonel-ellsworth-878695/
I copied too much, I know ... but since folks rarely click on links, I thought it was both important to this discussion ... and oddly relevant to today, when those trying to remove flags and monuments to racists are being attacked as well.
malaise
(269,063 posts)Thanks
irisblue
(32,982 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)Minor children of presidents usually live at the White House, for one thing.
irisblue
(32,982 posts)I found it an interesting fact. YMMV.
enjoy your evening
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)with the Lincoln family and his bravery in Alexandria, Va. I worked there and so know of him. His dealth was a big deal and memorialzed.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Who get a say in where the funeral is?
malaise
(269,063 posts)https://www.thelist.com/237117/ann-marie-pallan-who-is-robert-trumps-wife/
<snip>
Ann Marie Pallan was born Anne Marie Monte, and her family owned what was once Brooklyn's oldest Italian restaurant, which was once a Prohibition speakeasy, and was an establishment of choice for Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. Like Robert Trump, she was previously married. Her first husband Thomas Pallan, is a doctor, but it is not known when they divorced. She has two children, a son, and a daughter. She is also a grandmother as her daughter has two children (via Heavy).
It is not known when Pallan met Trump, although numerous newspaper reports say she was his executive assistant while he was a senior executive in the Trump organization (via New York Post). Page Six also says Pallan was a fixture in Trump's life as far back as October 2004 (four years before Robert and Blaine filed for divorce). Page Six reported on Blaine Trump's "accidental overdose," for which she was hospitalized for several days, after she learned that Robert had bought a house for Pallan worth $3.7 million in Long Island. After the divorce, Trump and Pallan stayed out of the spotlight but continued to be involved in charity work.
Pallan and her siblings opened a refreshed version of the old family restaurant in 2015, where Robert Trump used to be a regular on Friday nights. Pallan told Rural Intelligence that no Trump money was used to open the family diner, Monte's. Earlier this year, the restaurant used Facebook to announce that it would close on June 22 to reevaluate its future.
Read More: https://www.thelist.com/237117/ann-marie-pallan-who-is-robert-trumps-wife/?utm_campaign=clip
treestar
(82,383 posts)Mary is the only normal one.
Looks like Robert did not reproduce!
malaise
(269,063 posts)How interesting
treestar
(82,383 posts)hmmm, and his next heir would be Blaine's son he adopted. Will contest?
malaise
(269,063 posts)This is going to be interesting - prohibition tearoom and all
phylny
(8,381 posts)were in Massachussets. I hadnt remembered that she had miscarried early in her first pregnancy and gave birth to a stillborn daughter as well. Five pregnancies total.
MissMillie
(38,562 posts)but it's pretty low on the list of his offenses, IMO
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)...and I can't recall a time when a funeral for a president was held at the White House. They always go to a church like the National Cathedral.
No, no, there are two reasons Trump wants to hold his brother's funeral at the White House: because he wants to steal attention from the Democratic National Convention, and because every preacher they asked refused to allow a Trump funeral on their property on grounds that if they allowed more than one Trump inside, the building would catch fire.
malaise
(269,063 posts)He should have asked the Two Corinthians
mokawanis
(4,443 posts)Just dig a big hole and toss him in there. Give trump an excuse to the WH after he loses the election.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Retrograde
(10,137 posts)who died in the White House.
WRT Robert Trump, wouldn't his wife have the deciding vote on his funeral arrangements? Unless he left specific instructions the next of kin generally decide funerals.