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Three more Republican speakers added to DNC program... (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2020 OP
Why are we marginalizing ourselves? Lars39 Aug 2020 #1
Former Gov. Whitman, I can understand DFW Aug 2020 #2
All that's missing is Carly Fiorina RhodeIslandOne Aug 2020 #26
"...unless she has promised to use some of her famous acid comments on her Party's nominee"... George II Aug 2020 #59
Almost a Whitman sampler C_U_L8R Aug 2020 #3
A surprise inside every one! lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #20
I understand this MuseRider Aug 2020 #4
Agreed in toto. PCIntern Aug 2020 #17
It feels more and more that we'll be treated to the same 'Orange Man Bad' speeches over and over. HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #5
What is you basis for this assumption? brooklynite Aug 2020 #45
It's pretty much all there is and has been for weeks HotTeaBag Aug 2020 #51
Don't you remember David and Julie Eisenhower endorsing Obama MacKasey Aug 2020 #6
Republicans absolutely BGBD Aug 2020 #32
Well, at least they're encouraging their base to vote for Biden!! Budi Aug 2020 #7
What base? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2020 #27
They all have supporters. Old or new. And they speak to them & anyone hiding in shame from Trump Budi Aug 2020 #30
Are you sure about that? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2020 #31
Sure ok. Budi Aug 2020 #38
When they get to Dick Cheney, then I'll vent Bradshaw3 Aug 2020 #8
looking for W to endorse them over trump-putin. nt Ilsa Aug 2020 #13
I'll believe it when I see it Bradshaw3 Aug 2020 #16
Ok. Definately not Cheney! Budi Aug 2020 #33
Great to see Dems expanding the tent against Trump!! aeromanKC Aug 2020 #9
Same principle as the Lincoln Project EarlG Aug 2020 #10
I agree. MineralMan Aug 2020 #11
+1 2naSalit Aug 2020 #15
I agree Earl. This isn't about supporting republicans, but trying to motivate republicans to vote still_one Aug 2020 #18
+1 K&R onetexan Aug 2020 #42
Our airwaves & print media are controlled by rethuglicans; even public tv & radio. If rethugs want diva77 Aug 2020 #12
+1000 Cetacea Aug 2020 #24
Only thing I care about is winning. So be it. octoberlib Aug 2020 #14
exactly still_one Aug 2020 #19
Haven't we tried Pub Lite for years? Did it ever work? lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #22
no we never tried that. Only ones who say things like that ended up supporting Trump JI7 Aug 2020 #43
? I disagree. We drifted to the right for years; Gore, Kerry, even Clinton. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #47
I live in a purple state where our Senate and Presidential races are close, within 1-3 % octoberlib Aug 2020 #50
But Meg Whitman? Why? Who is she drawing in? Sympthsical Aug 2020 #56
3 Republican women are the ones Kasich was teasing yesterday? irisblue Aug 2020 #21
It sends the message to Republicans that it is OK to vote against the party. tinrobot Aug 2020 #23
Yeah, I agree with this Leith Aug 2020 #25
I don't care as long as the Biden campaign has SharonClark Aug 2020 #28
Let's keep our eyes on the prize here edhopper Aug 2020 #29
That's a big assumption. Doremus Aug 2020 #35
Then it's even more important we try to get other votes since people who claim JI7 Aug 2020 #40
If it makes people conclude that Biden's not serious about undoing Trumpism, lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #48
Exactly, if they sooo easily decide not to support Biden over this we can't rely on them JI7 Aug 2020 #49
Right, we should just discard decent people who are weighing whether to risk COVID etc. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #52
They aren't decent people if they don't vote for Biden over Trump. And republicans who vote Biden JI7 Aug 2020 #57
OK one more try. lagomorph777 Aug 2020 #58
They are not left leaning. They are right wing leaning. People can claim to be anything JI7 Aug 2020 #60
K & R Well stated. Budi Aug 2020 #36
So no need to watch tonight. Thanks for the heads up. nt Doremus Aug 2020 #34
Here's who you'll miss Budi Aug 2020 #37
I wonder what they want to watch if they don't care to watch any of these people JI7 Aug 2020 #41
I wish the poster would say why they have a problem with these people JI7 Aug 2020 #44
Right. Considering this entire Convention is a mandate against Donald Trump et al. Budi Aug 2020 #46
You might want to check in toward the end for Michelle Obama. nt crickets Aug 2020 #39
I will. Doremus Aug 2020 #55
Agree With This Tweet erpowers Aug 2020 #53
At least Ted Lieu threw down over Yang Sympthsical Aug 2020 #54

DFW

(54,408 posts)
2. Former Gov. Whitman, I can understand
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:31 PM
Aug 2020

The HP Whitman, I don't get, unless she has promised to use some of her famous acid comments on her Party's nominee. If THAT is the case, she can get really nasty, and I'd love to see Republicans reeling from getting bitten by their own pet rattlesnake.

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. "...unless she has promised to use some of her famous acid comments on her Party's nominee"...
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:30 PM
Aug 2020

She already did back in 2016, when she endorsed Hillary Clinton and contributed to her campaign.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
4. I understand this
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:35 PM
Aug 2020

but I do not like it. We never come out of these shake hands across the great divide without losing. I do understand this so I will not be critical but I sure wish we were keeping our convention for ourselves.

At least they are not just random choices who are simply R's with a slight liberal bent (or not) there is a good reason these people were chosen. Mostly I do not like Kasich since we know he is itching to run next time, we really do not want him to gain creds here.

Hoping for the best.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
5. It feels more and more that we'll be treated to the same 'Orange Man Bad' speeches over and over.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:36 PM
Aug 2020

I do hope that some of our speakers spend some time laying out the positives of having Joe and Kamala in the White House.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
51. It's pretty much all there is and has been for weeks
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:10 PM
Aug 2020

outside of a handful of ads.

Right now a great many people are voting against Trump and not for Biden and I hope that the convention will change that and people will gain more enthusiasm with regard to voting for Joe.

58% of registered voters who support Joe Biden in the 2020 election say their vote is more in opposition to President Trump than in support of Biden, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll out Sunday.


https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-poll-against-3afb9853-427c-4c85-8673-ed64d6a0a5f5.html

MacKasey

(987 posts)
6. Don't you remember David and Julie Eisenhower endorsing Obama
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:36 PM
Aug 2020

I don't believe they spoke at the convention, someone correct me if I am wrong, but Obama lined up republicans who supported him.

Biden is doing the same, showing that he can reach across the aisle and get things done for the good of the American people.

Anything that irritates Trump is a good thing!

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
32. Republicans absolutely
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:38 PM
Aug 2020

spoke at the 2008 Democratic Convention. He also appointed republicans to high level in his cabinet.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
7. Well, at least they're encouraging their base to vote for Biden!!
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:37 PM
Aug 2020

Bring em on board. This is not a typical election.

Trump HAS to be defeated.
Nothing happens without this 1st step.




 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
27. What base?
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:27 PM
Aug 2020

Every single one of them has been out of politics for almost 20 years or never won a fucking thing and drove companies into the ground.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
30. They all have supporters. Old or new. And they speak to them & anyone hiding in shame from Trump
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:35 PM
Aug 2020

They aren't invisible & they indeed bring supporters.


A vote for Biden is a vote against the catastrophy of Donald Trump.

It's pretty simple.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
31. Are you sure about that?
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:37 PM
Aug 2020

Meg Whitman got whipped in a governor's race by 14 points, 10 years ago in a heavy Republican year. Never. Won. A. Thing.

Who is clamoring for Meg Whitman's opinion? Really? Show your work.

Meanwhile, Katie Porter won a traditionally Republican district in the same state in 2018. She;s in OUR party!

But she's mean when she asks tough questions of Ben Carson or Nancy DeVos. I guess America doesn't want to hear someone like that.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
8. When they get to Dick Cheney, then I'll vent
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:41 PM
Aug 2020

Until then, so what. It's an opportunity to get as many swing voters as we can in order to win the presidency and the senate and save our democracy. That's all that matters.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
16. I'll believe it when I see it
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:00 PM
Aug 2020

Maybe but W has never been known for his backbone or morals. He was just as much a useful idiot of the economic elites as raygun.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
33. Ok. Definately not Cheney!
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:40 PM
Aug 2020

There's literally nothing he could say to get that invite.

I'd predict a mass revolt.
gross..
🤢

aeromanKC

(3,324 posts)
9. Great to see Dems expanding the tent against Trump!!
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:41 PM
Aug 2020

You just know MAGAt's are trying to dig up a Dem to talk at the RNC next week. Well, not going to be Webb this year. I think I saw he is on board with Biden this year. And Jill Stein doesn't count.

But regardless, great to see the Dems expanding their tent against Trump this cycle!!!!!!

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
10. Same principle as the Lincoln Project
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:41 PM
Aug 2020

Last edited Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:14 PM - Edit history (1)

If a bunch of Republicans want to get up there and speak on behalf of Biden while denouncing Trump, fine by me.

We have an incredibly broad range of political speakers at our convention this year, from Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at one end to John Kasich and Susan Molinari at the other. That would seem to indicate the size of the coalition for Biden this time around.

Who's Trump going to have? Richard Spencer and Jacob Wohl?

Getting rid of Trump is the ONLY goal this year. That said, I still don't buy into this idea that just because some Republicans are going to speak at our convention, it means the Democratic Party is suddenly going to be taking orders from Meg Whitman.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. I agree.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:45 PM
Aug 2020

If any of those Republican speakers can swing voters over to the Biden/Harris ticket, the more the better.

The enemy of my enemy and all that...

still_one

(92,219 posts)
18. I agree Earl. This isn't about supporting republicans, but trying to motivate republicans to vote
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:08 PM
Aug 2020

for Biden/Harris

diva77

(7,643 posts)
12. Our airwaves & print media are controlled by rethuglicans; even public tv & radio. If rethugs want
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 01:47 PM
Aug 2020

to vote for Biden/Harris, great, but we shouldn't be giving up what's left of our disproportionately minute slice of media, ESPECIALLY the DEMOCRATIC Convention.

Let rethugs broadcast their "come to the light" messages on rethug outlets.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
47. ? I disagree. We drifted to the right for years; Gore, Kerry, even Clinton.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 03:31 PM
Aug 2020

And, no, I can't imagine anybody on the left, like me, ever considering Trump to be anything but a horrible piece of shit.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
50. I live in a purple state where our Senate and Presidential races are close, within 1-3 %
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 03:54 PM
Aug 2020

Crossover voters , whether Independents or Republicans are a must here for us to win. So, yes, concerning the electoral college states , it does work.

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
56. But Meg Whitman? Why? Who is she drawing in?
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:04 PM
Aug 2020

She lost her major race spectacularly.

Put Katie Porter in there. Let's highlight our bench and get them more exposure. We have a great bench.

We do not need these people.

irisblue

(32,981 posts)
21. 3 Republican women are the ones Kasich was teasing yesterday?
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:14 PM
Aug 2020

Aged pale wealthy republicans?

Geeezzzzz

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
23. It sends the message to Republicans that it is OK to vote against the party.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:18 PM
Aug 2020

Well, at least it is OK this time.

I'm cool with that.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
28. I don't care as long as the Biden campaign has
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:29 PM
Aug 2020

reason to believe it will bring gop voters to Biden.

But I don’t want to see any republicans in the cabinet or other high appointments. There are plenty of Dems who can lead, we don’t need them to govern.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
29. Let's keep our eyes on the prize here
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

Will any of these speakers turn away any Dem voters? No.
Could these speakers bring over any conservative voters who don't feel good about Trump? Yes.

We want to win, not prove how pure our Party is.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
40. Then it's even more important we try to get other votes since people who claim
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:59 PM
Aug 2020

to be Democrats wil be turned away from voting Biden based on who speaks at a convention.

That means they can't be relied on if something like that makes them not vote.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
48. If it makes people conclude that Biden's not serious about undoing Trumpism,
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 03:33 PM
Aug 2020

some might sit this one out. And it could turn out to be the last election ever.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
49. Exactly, if they sooo easily decide not to support Biden over this we can't rely on them
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 03:37 PM
Aug 2020

They claim to be Democrats and to oppose Trump but then don't want to vote for Biden because there are anti Trump republicans that will speak in supporf of Biden over Trump.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
52. Right, we should just discard decent people who are weighing whether to risk COVID etc.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:11 PM
Aug 2020

... because we just might attract a couple of MAGATs.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
57. They aren't decent people if they don't vote for Biden over Trump. And republicans who vote Biden
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:08 PM
Aug 2020

are not MAGA.

So their objection seems to be that people are supporting Biden.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
58. OK one more try.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:28 PM
Aug 2020

Somebody who's left-leaning might conclude from the slate of speakers, that Biden is not going to actually save the country; maybe he'll just do whatever Republicans want.

Somebody who's right-leaning already has his guy; Trump.

Whose vote are we more likely to get? The right-leaning jerk, or the left-leaning discouraged person? The answer should be pretty easy. So why are we falling all over ourselves, again, to please the mythical "white working class" (euphemism for MAGAT) voter?

JI7

(89,252 posts)
60. They are not left leaning. They are right wing leaning. People can claim to be anything
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:37 PM
Aug 2020

I look at their actions. If they aren't voting Biden over Trump becsuse there are republicans that will speak in support of the Democratic candidate over Trump then those actions show their problem is with Biden getting support.

They prefer Trump by their actions. Just like Trump claims to not be racist we see by his actions he clearly is a racist.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
36. K & R Well stated.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:47 PM
Aug 2020

"We want to win, not prove how pure our Party is."

We have ONE shot at salvaging what remains of our country from a foreign coup.

ONE!
1
O.N.E

It's not a difficult decision.



 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
37. Here's who you'll miss
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 02:53 PM
Aug 2020

CONVENTION PROGRAM (09:00 PM - 011:00 PM)

Senator Amy Klobuchar
Senator Catherine Cortez Masto
Governor Andrew Cuomo
Governor Gretchen Whitmer
Representative Jim Clyburn
Convention Chairman Bennie Thompson
Representative Gwen Moore
Senator Doug Jones
-- Performance by Maggie Rogers
-- Performance by Leon Bridges
Senator Bernie Sanders
Former First Lady Michelle Obama

If none of these speakers are worth watching, then who are you waiting for?

I will record & watch as many as I want..over & over again.

You may do as you wish.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
46. Right. Considering this entire Convention is a mandate against Donald Trump et al.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 03:30 PM
Aug 2020

There are certainly some speakers that I don't care to hear from, but to write off an entire night of some of the best speakers we could ask for, is confusing.

Who does the poster want then?

Who doesn't want to hear the ever gracious & eloquent,.. the brilliance & purpose driven voice of Michele Obama.

Millions will tune in just because of her & I'm one of them.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
55. I will.
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 05:03 PM
Aug 2020

I didn't realize she's on tonight as I can only scan posts here once in a while during the day.

Thanks for the suggestion btw.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
53. Agree With This Tweet
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:47 PM
Aug 2020

I agree with most of what this tweet says. I think the DNC could have given these slots to up and coming Democrats. I disagree with the notion that Democrats need to try to get Republicans to vote for the Democratic Party. As far as I know, the real problem that Hillary Clinton faced in 2016 was that the Obama Coalition stayed home.

The slots that were given to Republicans could have been given to the Mayor of Ferguson, the President of the College Democrats, the President of the Young Democrats, the President of the Wisconsin College Democrats, or the President of the Wisconsin Young Democrats. If those individuals have already been given speaking spots, then the spots could have been given to other up and coming Democrats, or even other well known Democrats.

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
54. At least Ted Lieu threw down over Yang
Mon Aug 17, 2020, 04:57 PM
Aug 2020

And Lieu really never criticizes the party, so that was something.

I really have no idea who Meg Whitman is supposed to attract. I'm not sure I've ever heard her name after she lost her bid.

Our party really needs to understand the reality we're living in now. They're playing politics like it's 2000. We need a party that plays politics like it's 2030.

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