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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAOC didn't use her minute very well
Almost word salad
Very disappointed
liberal N proud
(60,340 posts)Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)2nd the nomination huh? And she's arguing about Kasich. He actually endorsed Biden.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Reading is fundamental.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Google: aoc democratic convention speech transcript
and pick the source you like. (The video above is also closed-captioned, btw.)
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I do rely a lot on closed captioning. The voice-to-text automatic closed captioning that many services use can be a bit clunky, but better than nothing. Sometimes the mistakes and misunderstood words can be amusing, though.
JI7
(89,262 posts)Amishman
(5,559 posts)Have to remember she is still pretty new to the spotlight, especially with a major event like this.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Mossfern
(2,547 posts)to hear anything she said.
Cha
(297,574 posts)telling us?
Mossfern
(2,547 posts)I was surprised and dismayed.
I was naive.
Cha
(297,574 posts)liskddksil
(2,753 posts)and the culmination of an almost 2 year process that included over 20 fantastic Democrats. Sorry that hurts your feelings that some other candidates earned their own delegates.
Mossfern
(2,547 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)even though there was no question that Barack Obama was going to be nominated.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/14/clinton/
This is not a new thing.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)I would have liked to see something similar. But when all is said and done Sen. Sanders has been quite supportive of Joe Biden.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 19, 2020, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)
time.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)tblue37
(65,483 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)specifically to pick out and nominate the Person who the party itself will back completely. This time the winner was obvious from months ago. The delegates actually vote for the person they support. In the past there was no way of knowing who got the majority of the state delegates so it was decided during the conventions by voting. Many times there would be a lot of fighting and votes would be recounted.
By the past Im talking about pre electronics, television or accurate polls. But the conventions serve a purpose. They formalize the person who gets nominated. It makes Joe Biden officially nominated by his party.
Its kind of a necessary formality now. The DNC now supports Biden 100%. So the Democratic Party itself is behind Biden. Not just us.
George II
(67,782 posts)Going into tonight there should have been one candidate nominated. At least this:
Mossfern
(2,547 posts)Putting unity of the Party, and the Country first.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I love Hillary so much. One of my favorite traits of Hillary's is that she has never been petty. She puts party first. She puts country first. She's all about the UNITY and NEVER about her own vanity and ego. Never about petty squabbles or revenge. That's why she'll always be a winner in my eyes.
Other politicians can learn a lot from the example she sets and from trying to emulate her high standards.
lapucelle
(18,308 posts)still_one
(92,372 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)supporters and contributions to the fabric of the Party.
She also handles the business she was asked to handle: formally putting forward Bernie as a nominee (not THE nominee).
What's the issue?
mahina
(17,693 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)cayugafalls
(5,643 posts)If so, that makes sense that she would end it that way.
It does not matter, Joe Biden will win the nomination so it was just show and nothing else.
Cha
(297,574 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)Her and the UAW's member did that. All she did was speak to Sanders' ampaign and nominate sanders. I think the OP is under the impression she was supposed to speak about Biden, but that wasn't her job at the convention.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)It wasn't a surprise. Her minute was spent seconding the nomination of Bernie Sanders.
I'd read many times it was going to be spent supporting him so assumed she was the second, and I knew the UAE person would do as he did. His union wasn't thrilled, but shit happens and we move on.
Biden won handily. We need to focus on November 3rd.
#Biden2020
jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)And at least AOC knows how important it is to elect Biden. I'm sure the same stands for the UAW former prez
herding cats
(19,567 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)herding cats
(19,567 posts)Literally, their displeasure is why I knew about this beforehand. They wanted to distance themselves from this tonight.
Cha
(297,574 posts)That's how I knew, too.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)He did it anyways.
Anyway, it's over and done. Time to move on and support Biden/Harris in November!!
Cha
(297,574 posts)herding cats
(19,567 posts)Vote Trump out!!!
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)herding cats
(19,567 posts)We need to vote at historic levels!
I'm voting in person, early here. My vote will be counted.
Cha
(297,574 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)Was the one who spoke
Cha
(297,574 posts)post? I could have sworn you originally wrote "the president of UAW.."
jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)lapucelle
(18,308 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)Or gave a "nominating speech." Same difference. They call it "nominating" but obviously she was not declaring him the nominee, which seems to have been the major confusion. It was just done in the style of a floor nomination where people are nominated, and then they are seconded for nomination, and then there are votes -which in this case were the roll call states.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)This was no surprise to anyone who was running the convention. This is how conventions go. Ive been watching them for decades.
jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)Thank you!
please refer to previous lulzd
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Celerity
(43,487 posts)Welcome to DU again.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)luv2fly
(2,475 posts)She used her time to say what she wanted to say. We support free speech, remember?
melman
(7,681 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)Her second for Bernie was OK with me, but no criticism of Trump?
She needed an economy of words.
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)Loving all the state videos.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)There was a good message in there but will get overshadowed by the ending. Oh well.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)And I have been critical of her at times
jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)She spoke to the type of campaign Sanders ran, and nominated him. Which is what her job was. It was a really great speech, in my opinion.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Music Man
(1,184 posts)As others have pointed out, she was seconding the nomination. Sanders won delegates during the primaries, and that manifests itself at the convention. This is how conventions always work. Get a grip, folks.
nsd
(2,406 posts)She was invited to second the Bernie Sanders nomination. So that's what she did. I don't see any problem with that.
Celerity
(43,487 posts)sigh
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)And voted for Bernie in this year's Maine primary.
Given AOC's ability to post devastating Tweets, I expected more from her.
Don't like that?
Too bad
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)betsuni
(25,607 posts)But there's a rule that because Republicans demonize AOC, anybody at all who has the smallest critical comment about her is a Republican right-winger. Of course this rule doesn't apply to Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren, etc.
It's silly.
RussBLib
(9,034 posts)Didn't realize she would be seconding Bernie's nomination, but it's poetic, considering her history with Bernie.
Everybody chill.
renate
(13,776 posts)Its news to me that there was even anything to discuss!
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)they are mad that she had the nerve to run for office and not wait her turn and that her squad will have more in the ranks come January.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Not a surprise.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)after all the gleeful predictions that she would lose her primary didn't come true.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)I don't see a problem.
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)This seems disingenuous.
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)because they can't stand that she didn't wait her turn
jalan48
(13,881 posts)myohmy2
(3,175 posts)...makes me unhappy...
...our future deserves better...
George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)that she was nominating Bernie instead of implying she was being given short shrift.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,961 posts)Stop putting intent on her words that isn't there.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)had more discussion about her one minute. Now we see that she was going to nominate Bernie, which wasnt in her original tweet. Sorry I wasnt more clear.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)when she accepts the nomination for President in 2028, she'll get much more than 60 seconds.
BannonsLiver
(16,439 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Response to jpak (Original post)
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OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Had they given her more than one minute she may have had time to mention Biden. But she fulfilled the roll they gave her.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)bill to force FEMA to honor their charter and commit to helping Covid victim's families pay for their loved one's burials. FEMA got $45b under Care Act. Trump told them not to release $$.
That was in May. The bill got relegated to committee. I have written her dozens upon dozens of times - What's the status? Nothing.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)The committee chairs and the Speaker, right? One member literally has no control over what happens after they introduce a bill. Why not be mad at Pelosi? Or Trump, better yet?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Done. And no one talking about it.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)to find some kind of excuse to denigrate Rep. Ocasio-Cortez.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)I thought she made a good summation of much of the progressive agenda. She should have had more time to elaborate on the progressive solutions, in my opinion. It would have been good for our nation.
burrowowl
(17,645 posts)Just like Delaware passing then nominating favorite son Biden at the end. And Carvil is an Arse!
betsuni
(25,607 posts)The former union president guy was almost comic, the way if you're told to be more energetic in front of the camera you overdo it. And he used the usual: moral clarity, grassroots, movement, transformational, working class.
AOC used "movement" and "grassroots" but regular words for most of her speech, not slogans. It was a speech by a politician. That's politics! Real establishment.
ABC also repeated the "she only had a minute" thing as if everybody else didn't also have a minute, although they clarified it was 90 seconds, not a minute.
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)Just asking for a friend.
jpak
(41,758 posts)Thanks for the ignorant insult
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)Or your asshole "friend "
Nope
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)Thanks!
jpak
(41,758 posts)And your friend can go fuck him or herself.
lol
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)"Yeah Yoho is a Yahoo
No autocorrect needed".
OK. Fair enough. I stand corrected, you don't always side with everyone attacking AOC.
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demmiblue
(36,875 posts)So bizarre. Also, the word salad comment is, well, just as bizarre.
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)the actual nominee? Maybe thats not the best comparison in this case.
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)So of course it wasn't endorsing Biden. AOC has endorsed Biden, just not while nominating somebody else, as that would be inappropriate.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)to distract.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)endorsing Bernie. The Republicans spent their screen time endorsing Joe Biden. Wasnt her one minute screen time spent endorsing Bernie?
Of course Im glad to see her separate tweet about Joe, but thats not what was on the teevees. Thats all I meant about the Republicans actually endorsing our nominee, Joe Biden, hence the comment about the comparison.
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)That was why she was speaking, why she had even the 90 seconds she had. You continue to phrase this as 'she chose to endorse Sanders instead of Biden'.
She endorsed Biden. Not in the nomination speech for Sanders. Endorsing Biden while nominating Sanders would be ridiculous.
Just about every convention with a contested primary has had multiple candidates nominated during the convention, with each such nomination accompanied by two nominating speeches, none of which typically endorse another candidate.
It is a ritual, a performance, a celebration of democracy. It is a good thing that we should respect and celebrate instead of seeking desperately to find fault where there is none.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)your summary of what I said.
There is a history of tweets from lots of people about her appearance, including AOC, and all along it was about endorsing Bernie Sanders. It would have been easy enough to mention that.
Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)AOC angst is perplexing.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Voltaire2
(13,124 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)If you read the article, the tweet or whatever YOU would know she was there at the DNC's request to second Bernie nomination. You're welcome.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)So thanks for confirming what we all saw and heard. Im glad she also tweeted about Joe.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)might saved some confusion. I think I saw a thread about her tweets with NBC, among others...? Not sure, since Im not in Twitter and I guess there are lots of subthreads.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)the confusion. I read the comments on this website in her tweet that was posted here a few days ago.
I just saw on Yahoo that there was confusion with NBC, a major network, so the confusion isnt really confined to certain audiences. The bottom line is that she endorsed Bernie...a simple explanation that explains everything.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)trick to confuse weak minded voters and of course those who hate AOC.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)The Twitter thread about her one minute comments. There were responses from her supporters.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)You can either google it and do research or not, I don't care. Think what you want.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)nominating Bernie, which would have ended the confusion for her supporters (on Twitter). There was even speculation here last night that she had another minute in the line-up, since her first supposed minute was a nomination.
Were there names in the NBC tweet to identify who pulled the dirty trick? I didnt realize all that was going on with NBC.
BigDemVoter
(4,156 posts)I wonder what happened?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)While I object Colin Powell over little things like the Iraq war and My Lai Massacre.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accuses NBC of spreading misinformation after DNC speech
Congresswoman says NBC tweet about her endorsement of Bernie Sanders sparked an enormous amount of hatred
Tom McCarthy in New York
Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accused NBC News of spreading an incredible amount of damage and misinformation overnight on Tuesday after the network construed a routine procedural speech by her as a snub of the Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden.
Speaking on the second night of the Democratic national convention (DNC), Ocasio-Cortez was assigned to second the nomination of Senator Bernie Sanders as president. Sanders ended his presidential bid and endorsed Biden last spring, but he was in line for a formal nomination as part of the process of transferring his delegates to Biden.
Ocasio-Cortez had originally endorsed Sanders for president during the primary season before switching her support to Biden.
In a time when millions of people in the United States are looking for deep systemic solutions to our crises of mass evictions, unemployment and lack of healthcare, Ocasio-Cortez said in a short speech on Tuesday, en espíritu del pueblo and out of a love for all people, I hereby second the nomination of Senator Bernard Sanders of Vermont for president of the United States of America.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/19/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-accuses-nbc-spreading-misinformation-dnc-speech
ellie
(6,929 posts)DenverJared
(457 posts)I expected something a lot better.
I think Connor Lamb was excellent.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)In our culture of format and branding over content, its no surprise her valid and articulate message is lost on those who desire media glitz and technicolor gilding.
Very Disappointing, part II.