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highplainsdem

(49,029 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:01 PM Aug 2020

Steve Schmidt to Franklin Graham: You're a hypocrite of staggering magnitude. You've sold your soul.

Franklin Graham tweet that earned Schmidt's furious response:






In watching some of the @DemConvention on TV, it's been interesting to see the absence of God. I don’t believe America’s finest hours will be in front of us if we take God out of gov't & public life. It's God who set the standards we're to live by.




Schmidt's two-tweet response starts here, full text below:





You are a hypocrite of staggering magnitude. Did you see the face of God when violence was loosed on peacefully protesting Americans people so Trump could walk to St.John’s and hold a bible upside down? Normal people, good people saw the face of god in the resilience and


faith of the Biden family. You are a 21st Century Pharisee and your hypocrisy would offend Christ as it offended him 2000 years ago. You have sold your soul to the most corrupt and vile man to ever attain power in America. That is your faith, political power. @Franklin_Graham


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Steve Schmidt to Franklin Graham: You're a hypocrite of staggering magnitude. You've sold your soul. (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2020 OP
Sister Simone Campbell gave a lovely invocation Siwsan Aug 2020 #1
That was Jerry Falwell, Jr. nt tblue37 Aug 2020 #19
Sorry - Allergies blocking off oxygen to getting to my brain. Siwsan Aug 2020 #45
These God bothering grifters all tend to blur together after awhile. nt tblue37 Aug 2020 #48
Yes they are morphing into one huge hemorrhoid! The son of Billy is japple Aug 2020 #50
They not only sound alike, soldierant Aug 2020 #57
I loved it. And I'm an atheist. No one who REALLY watched could have missed the invocations. ancianita Aug 2020 #62
I saw that it was lovely XanaDUer2 Aug 2020 #79
Steve Schmidt made a false assumption agingdem Aug 2020 #2
My first thought rpannier Aug 2020 #76
Schmidt - a former R - is, admittedly, cilla4progress Aug 2020 #3
Somebody hurt Steve's feelings and democrats reap the reward. jaxexpat Aug 2020 #39
Actually Putin's Puppet came along & is "hurting" the World. Cha Aug 2020 #53
How was this guy ever a republican? lame54 Aug 2020 #4
Schmidt is an "Old School" Republican, not one of the flakes who've infested Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #70
I can not recall a time when republicans were not assholes lame54 Aug 2020 #72
Hey, I didn't say I was in love with them, but they were, at one time, Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #73
CORRECT Skittles Aug 2020 #75
Label Limitations Roy Rolling Aug 2020 #77
After failing to give us Palin lame54 Aug 2020 #81
I formed my opinion of them during the AIDS crisis. Duncan Grant Aug 2020 #82
The bottom feeding trash were let in the door. The GOP got greedy, and wanted numbers. Progressive Jones Aug 2020 #83
It's always funny to me Docreed2003 Aug 2020 #5
Franklin Graham was ordained in 1982. Mariana Aug 2020 #24
Bravo! Well said!❤ Karadeniz Aug 2020 #6
He is no Christian... Freedomofspeech Aug 2020 #7
Only a non-Christians can be a prick like Franklin Graham? nt. Mariana Aug 2020 #25
Of course that's not what I meant. Freedomofspeech Aug 2020 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Hamlette Aug 2020 #8
I've not forgotten Schmidt is a conservative, but IMO, he's more than redeemed himself for his role hlthe2b Aug 2020 #9
Agree. colorado_ufo Aug 2020 #35
No, he's way too smart to ever be fooled by her. Sucha NastyWoman Aug 2020 #69
Yikes! Mike Nelson Aug 2020 #10
"in jesus name we pray" pledge allegiance to god. isnt that enuff religion for ya? nt msongs Aug 2020 #11
I'd like to direct your attention to a wall that isn't referenced so often... forgotmylogin Aug 2020 #13
... catbyte Aug 2020 #12
That's basically it. I'm not a believer, but the monster haunting the WH, with all his deurbano Aug 2020 #40
I gave up on Christianity in my early teens, when it became clear that it Blue_true Aug 2020 #47
That's what it's all about. LuvNewcastle Aug 2020 #41
But Steve, what do you really think? ashredux Aug 2020 #14
Billy Graham's son supports Jerry Falwell's son too. gulliver Aug 2020 #15
They are all still Evangelicals. Mariana Aug 2020 #27
EINOs unfortunately gulliver Aug 2020 #29
Sorry. You are outnumbered by what you call Trump Christians, something like Blue_true Aug 2020 #49
Graham did not "have a calling" to Scarsdale Aug 2020 #16
Franklin and Billy did not agree. True Blue American Aug 2020 #26
Billy should have told his son to do something else lonely bird Aug 2020 #58
I like Scmidt. pwb Aug 2020 #17
Saccades is more in line with the evangelical crowd Drahthaardogs Aug 2020 #18
pretty sure Graham's middle name is Charlatan... bringthePaine Aug 2020 #20
Schmidt goes right at them. Gotta hand it to him JDC Aug 2020 #21
I look forward to the day... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #22
That will never happen and has never happened in human history. Blue_true Aug 2020 #51
It had better. I'm sick of living in an 18th Century revivalist climate with fear driven ancianita Aug 2020 #63
Right there... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #68
Politicians and preachers misanthrope Aug 2020 #71
Who is Steve Schmidt??? nt LAS14 Aug 2020 #23
The 2008 John McCain for President campaign manager. Blue_true Aug 2020 #55
Wo! Thanks for the tip. No, I haven't seen it. Will do. nt LAS14 Aug 2020 #60
If you really don't know, try googling. Crunchy Frog Aug 2020 #56
About time. I have been waiting Roc2020 Aug 2020 #28
Hick fundies claim Catholics aren't Christians. Kingofalldems Aug 2020 #30
Billy Graham was anti-Catholic. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2020 #74
What I saw was a little more God than I prefered. What I see kacekwl Aug 2020 #31
Franklin Graham needs white males waving mnhtnbb Aug 2020 #32
Graham is so full of shit on this. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2020 #33
I read this about Franklin Graham some years ago ... left-of-center2012 Aug 2020 #36
And they probably have a Xtian gift shop... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #38
You are correct actually essme Aug 2020 #65
Hear Hear greblach Aug 2020 #37
Sepration of church and state vlyons Aug 2020 #42
"21st Century Pharisee". . .damn right! DinahMoeHum Aug 2020 #43
Franklin's father would be ashamed of him! grobertj Aug 2020 #44
They all are n/t hibbing Aug 2020 #46
TY Steve Schmidt! i hate these FAKE purveyors of "god" & Cha Aug 2020 #52
Peppering your words with "Jesus" and "God" does not demonstrate Godliness. Beartracks Aug 2020 #54
I don't get what the hell Franklin Graham is talking about, anyway. There was god & religion scarletwoman Aug 2020 #59
Franklin Graham worships money. That's his god. TeamPooka Aug 2020 #61
He and his imps are always referring to Trump as the victim. Marcuse Aug 2020 #64
i think every single person who spoke called Biden a "man of faith" Takket Aug 2020 #66
Hey, frankie, you disgusting grifter. We are a SECULAR nation, NOT a theocracy niyad Aug 2020 #67
Thank you Steve! Very well said. Owl Aug 2020 #78
Damn!! blue-wave Aug 2020 #80

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
1. Sister Simone Campbell gave a lovely invocation
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:04 PM
Aug 2020

She worded it in a way that incorporated any spiritual and/or belief system.

Maybe Franklin was drinking more of that 'black water' during that segment.

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
45. Sorry - Allergies blocking off oxygen to getting to my brain.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:53 PM
Aug 2020

Well, that and the fact that they are all starting to meld into one huge hemorrhoid.

japple

(9,838 posts)
50. Yes they are morphing into one huge hemorrhoid! The son of Billy is
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 05:17 PM
Aug 2020

and always has been a shit stain.

Hoping your allergies get better soon. I've got it too and Zyrtec isn't taking care of it these days, sniff, sniff!

soldierant

(6,914 posts)
57. They not only sound alike,
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 06:52 PM
Aug 2020

they even look alike. There's not a grain of sand's worth of difference between them.

Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen them together?

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
62. I loved it. And I'm an atheist. No one who REALLY watched could have missed the invocations.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 08:52 PM
Aug 2020

Schmidt's right. Publicly pious critics are pharisees.

jaxexpat

(6,844 posts)
39. Somebody hurt Steve's feelings and democrats reap the reward.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:44 PM
Aug 2020

Fickle is fate and no good place to invest hope against. Remove yourself from the blast radius prior to detonation.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
70. Schmidt is an "Old School" Republican, not one of the flakes who've infested
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 12:05 AM
Aug 2020

the GOP.

They are more "libertarian", and more thoughtful in their views that the wackos of today's GOP.
They actually care about the people of this nation.


Steve Schmidt is one of the people behind The Lincoln Project. Republican Trump haters.

Check them out. https://lincolnproject.us/video/america/



Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
73. Hey, I didn't say I was in love with them, but they were, at one time,
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 01:28 AM
Aug 2020

principled for the most part.

Example : It was Republican House and Senate members who told Nixon to resign, as they were going
to take him down in the impeachment proceedings. Why? For the good of the nation, because Nixon was a crook

Did the GOP do anything like that with Trump? No, they kissed his ass, and let a criminal slide.


The GOP started becoming a full-on scumbag organization when Reagan befouled the WH,
and the evangelical creeps were conned into voting GOP to "Save The Babies".


Today's GOP is literally infested with a new breed. White supremacist trash, Qanon freaks, tea bagger trash, the whole nine yards.
And, it's only going to get worse.

Roy Rolling

(6,928 posts)
77. Label Limitations
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:19 AM
Aug 2020

Two decades ago my home town appointed me to the school board because I had attended public schools and sent three kids through public schools and on to Tulane, MIT, and Loyola. I was non-political, and had both Republican and Democratic friends in high political office.

So I was convinced to change my voter registration to Republican. I didn’t know better, I had no clue of the see my underbelly of Republican operatives.

It took less than six months to learn “these are not my people” and changed my voter registration back. The point is, I made an honest mistake. To look down upon me for it is the exact reason I left Republican circles—they are a closed cult with a hierarchy measured by loyalty to its leaders, not facts or principles.

Schmidt is guided by facts and principles, and refused to surrender them at the door just to be a member of the cult.

Duncan Grant

(8,283 posts)
82. I formed my opinion of them during the AIDS crisis.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 12:51 PM
Aug 2020

Unfortunately, they’ve continued to become more evil.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
83. The bottom feeding trash were let in the door. The GOP got greedy, and wanted numbers.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 11:14 PM
Aug 2020

They let in the pseudo-christian hate mongers. That's who has tried to kill off the LGBTQ community.

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
5. It's always funny to me
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:09 PM
Aug 2020

How these hypocritical assholes never seem to see "God" unless it is at times that support their political and business interests. Franklin Graham is a fucking joke. He only got into daddy's business when he saw just how much money he could make in Billy's name

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
24. Franklin Graham was ordained in 1982.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:16 PM
Aug 2020

The Graham family business was plenty lucrative in the old man's day. Billy Graham's net worth was estimated to be $25 million when he died.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

hlthe2b

(102,343 posts)
9. I've not forgotten Schmidt is a conservative, but IMO, he's more than redeemed himself for his role
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:14 PM
Aug 2020

in thrusting Palin on us.

Love your oratory and whiplash-inducing comebacks, Steve!

colorado_ufo

(5,737 posts)
35. Agree.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:21 PM
Aug 2020

And it is possible that Palin sold him a "bill of goods." She was a very quick learner and knows how to manipulate.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,749 posts)
69. No, he's way too smart to ever be fooled by her.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 10:52 PM
Aug 2020

They were on a sure path to election loss and needed a gimmick to shake things up. But they didn’t count on her going rogue.

Mike Nelson

(9,966 posts)
10. Yikes!
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:28 PM
Aug 2020

... poor Rev Graham... Biden's faith was referenced explicitly (Catholic) and the opening prayer was sweet. "Our Creator" was obvious. Graham is dishonest - he couldn't have watched the convention... so embarrassing... He should have checked with one of his staff before making outrageous statements.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
13. I'd like to direct your attention to a wall that isn't referenced so often...
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:42 PM
Aug 2020

See the church, right here? And see the state over there on the other side? There's a reason this wall was built.

It's no problem for individual politicians to reference personal faith as part of their entirety, but to complain "there's not enough religion in (these people's) politics" is like saying "there's not enough beef gravy in this pool we're swimming in". Pool water and gravy are both great, but please let's not mix them extensively.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
40. That's basically it. I'm not a believer, but the monster haunting the WH, with all his
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:45 PM
Aug 2020

slavish support from evangelical leaders, almost makes me believe in the Anti-Christ.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. I gave up on Christianity in my early teens, when it became clear that it
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 05:00 PM
Aug 2020

was all bullshit. But I have always deferred to people that expressed their faith, not wanting to offend. Now, I don’t care, if a Traumpanze gets in my face talking about their faith, I am going to ask them how can that be given that they support a worldly demon - I just no longer care about their feelings, they don’t care about anyone else’s but a select few of their flock.

LuvNewcastle

(16,855 posts)
41. That's what it's all about.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:46 PM
Aug 2020

They latch on to any old disgusting self-promoter who can give them political and physical power. They don't know the first thing about spiritual power, and they care even less.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
15. Billy Graham's son supports Jerry Falwell's son too.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:45 PM
Aug 2020

These two guys have split Evangelicals. They are now Evangelical Christians and Trumpist Christians. Call them what they are.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
27. They are all still Evangelicals.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:23 PM
Aug 2020

The ones who choose to support Trump didn't just magically become something else.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
29. EINOs unfortunately
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:30 PM
Aug 2020

Read the definition of the term Evangelical. Following Trump is also anti-Christian, so I'm using the term "Trumpist Christian" to accurately describe them. His Trump Church is the church they find themselves in now, unfortunately. He led them astray. They need to be known by the identity they have accepted.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. Sorry. You are outnumbered by what you call Trump Christians, something like
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 05:07 PM
Aug 2020

80% to 20%. And I don’t think that people like you are ever going to regain control of how evangelicals are being presented to everyone else. When I look at evangelicals, I see basically intolerant, selfish, afraid people, I have seen nothing good about them that I would hang my hat on.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
16. Graham did not "have a calling" to
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:47 PM
Aug 2020

religion. He just went into the family "bidness" for the $$$$. He is such a clown, he claims that "Melania Trump is the classiest First Lady we have ever had". Yeah, Frankie. Selling yourself for an hour or a night is SO classy. Having naked photos of yourself plastered all over the internet is CLASSY. Costing US taxpayers millions for protection living in NY, refusing to go to DC until he ponied up a bigger settlement when they divorce - CLASSY. He would not know "class" if it ran up and bit him. Fake preacher..

pwb

(11,287 posts)
17. I like Scmidt.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 02:53 PM
Aug 2020

He recognizes bullshit when he hears it. He is a good voice to hear. Hope he joins us eventually but if he doesn't he could change the direction of the Right.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
22. I look forward to the day...
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:11 PM
Aug 2020

when god and other superstition is kept completely out of politics, and we can have a secular humanist as president. It won't happen in my lifetime, I know that.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. That will never happen and has never happened in human history.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 05:33 PM
Aug 2020

If you read about civilizations through the ages, all have believed in and worshiped an unseen power, that is in line with people’s fundamental need to believe in something higher than them that is protecting them. Brutal despots throughout history have taken advantage of that need to bring forth a lot of death and destruction. Trump is just a modern, clumsy version of brutal and vile men that have reigned throughout history, and evangelical “faith leaders” are his henchmen and henchwomen, as have been other types of “faith leaders” throughout history, and those people have used murder and rape to enforce their desire for domination.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
63. It had better. I'm sick of living in an 18th Century revivalist climate with fear driven
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 09:00 PM
Aug 2020

belief systems that give cover to their drives to dominate along with all the white supremacist Nazis they ride with.

They love to think that they and the Eastern Orthodox church of Putin's revival would coexist well. The Eastern Orthodox church of Russia and Serbia would never suffer them.

Believer politics and war are the bane of the planet.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
68. Right there...
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 10:33 PM
Aug 2020

"Brutal despots throughout history have taken advantage of that need to bring forth a lot of death and destruction."

Maybe it's time people stopped believing in the angry daddy in the sky that's not listening to them. Then maybe "brutal depots" wouldn't be able to use that imaginary crutch to beat people over the head with? Maybe if critical thinking overcame superstition brutal despots would be a thing of the past? Just a thought.

misanthrope

(7,422 posts)
71. Politicians and preachers
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 12:55 AM
Aug 2020

are about the only professions where all you have to do is call yourself one to be so.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
55. The 2008 John McCain for President campaign manager.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 06:12 PM
Aug 2020

He started to back away from the Republican Party when it started embracing birtgerism and Islamaphobia.

If you have not seen the movie “Gamechange” about the chaos Palin caused in the McCain campaign, do download it, the movie is great. Steve Schmidt is played by Woody Harrelson and Nicole Wallace is played by an actor whose name I can’t grasp at the moment. Nicole Wallace managed Palin’s part of the campaign until she could not take the chaos any longer.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
28. About time. I have been waiting
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:28 PM
Aug 2020

for someone of significance credible significance to call him out. Billy Graham would be appalled by his son so loyal embrace of Trump

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
74. Billy Graham was anti-Catholic.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 01:34 AM
Aug 2020

He told everyone during the Presidential campaign of 1960 that if John F. Kennedy was elected, the Pope would be running the country. Spoiler alert: It didn't happen.

The Southern Baptist Convention also questioned Kennedy and generally made fools of themselves. Kennedy understood separation of church and state; they didn't.

kacekwl

(7,021 posts)
31. What I saw was a little more God than I prefered. What I see
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 03:37 PM
Aug 2020

when I look at you and trump is utter lack of God and a lot of evil.

mnhtnbb

(31,401 posts)
32. Franklin Graham needs white males waving
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:06 PM
Aug 2020

their dicks around to subjugate women in order to see God.

His God is all about white patriarchy.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
33. Graham is so full of shit on this.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:13 PM
Aug 2020

I'm a non-theist and tend to notice immediately when politicians engage in God-talk. There was a lot of it during the DNC Convention. It doesn't bother me, just saying I notice, and it was most definitely present.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
36. I read this about Franklin Graham some years ago ...
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:22 PM
Aug 2020

Before his dad, Billy Graham, died,
his dad had chosen the spot where he wanted to be buried.

But ignoring his dad's wishes,
Franklin had him buried where tourist would see the grave site.

It was about drawing in the crowds,
and the dollars.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
42. Sepration of church and state
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:48 PM
Aug 2020

Graham is not just a hypocrite, but also an asshole. I'll bet he has never read Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason." We don't need no self-righteous, holier-than-thou judgemental Christian Taliban enforcing their religious bigotry.

grobertj

(187 posts)
44. Franklin's father would be ashamed of him!
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 04:50 PM
Aug 2020

Just because you call yourself a Christian doesn't make you one!

Cha

(297,542 posts)
52. TY Steve Schmidt! i hate these FAKE purveyors of "god" &
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 05:36 PM
Aug 2020

JC. They're some of the worst damn snake oilers in the World.

Rt! Mahalo, hpd!

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
54. Peppering your words with "Jesus" and "God" does not demonstrate Godliness.
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 06:05 PM
Aug 2020

Schmidt is right in that it is in someone's actions that you "see the face of God."

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scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
59. I don't get what the hell Franklin Graham is talking about, anyway. There was god & religion
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 07:28 PM
Aug 2020

all over the place during the 4 nights of the Convention.

Opening and closing prayers every night, including from 4 different clerics on the final night.

Lots of "God Bless" this and "God Bless" that, throughout many of the speeches, night after night.

And, as Steve Schmidt pointed out, the event was filled with references to Biden's religious faith.


I don't get how anyone could claim there was an "absence of God."

Myself, as a non-believer, found all the "God" stuff a bit tiresome, to be honest. However, I understand it's pretty much a requirement in U.S. politics, unfortunately.

That it still wasn't enough for that fake Xtian asshole, is just absurd.



niyad

(113,527 posts)
67. Hey, frankie, you disgusting grifter. We are a SECULAR nation, NOT a theocracy
Fri Aug 21, 2020, 10:19 PM
Aug 2020

(not yet, anyway, although you zealots are trying). I would prefer not to see the face of your sick and twisted deity anywhere, the sociopath.

Funny, I seem to remember several religious types giving invocations during the convention. You must have been at a white supremacy meeting or something.

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