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ancianita

(36,137 posts)
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 07:47 PM Aug 2020

What Is The Soul Of America?

Last edited Mon Aug 24, 2020, 08:03 AM - Edit history (3)

What Is The Soul Of America?

1. Voting numbers matter.

Total population of US = 327.2 million (2018) per Census

Total persons below voting age = 74,200,000 per Census

Total adult population of US today = 253,000,000 (18 yrs +)

Total voting age population 2016 = 249,485,228 age 18+ (Federal Register)

Total undocumented immigrants = 10,000,000 est’d by Pew

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Total actual voting age population minus undocumented immigrants, under age 18 = 239,485,228

Total registered to vote 2016 = 214,109,360 = 89% of voting age population

Total unregistered to vote in 2016 = 25,375,868 est. = 11% of voting age pop.

Trump 2016 vote = 62,984,828

Clinton 2016 vote = 65,853,514

Total Registereds who voted in 2016 = 128,838,342 = 60% of total registereds

Total Registereds who did NOT vote in 2016 = 85,271,018 = 40% of total registereds

Total who COULD HAVE REGISTERED WHO DID NOT VOTE + TOTAL REGISTERED WHO DID NOT VOTE IN 2016 = 111,217,658 = 46% OF VOTING AGE POPULATION WHO COULD HAVE VOTED IN 2016
= U.S. NONVOTERS.

Voters in 2016 who actively engaged democracy maintenance = 39% of America, overall.

Voters who COULD always actively engage in democracy maintenance = 73% of America, overall.

No charts match the above numbers, which are pretty accurate, give or take six figures. The percentages and sources are solid regardless of slight total variations.

2. Nonvoters matter.

I wish there were an accurate demographic breakdown of the unregistered voting age population.

One good source I've seen for explaining nonvoters is this year's Knight Foundation report. I only skimmed, not examined the meat of the report (pp 9-21) in detail yet.
https://knightfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/The-100-Million-Project_KF_Report_2020.pdf

The study reveals that persistent non-voters are by no means a monolithic group, but as varied as American society itself.
There is not a one-size-fits-all description of the non-voting population, nor is there a single, unifying explanation for their lack of participation.
They can be found across the political spectrum, at every level of education and income, and from every walk of life.

There were, however, several themes that emerged from the study:
-- Many non-voters suffer from a lack of faith in the election system and have serious doubts about the impact of their own votes: Thirty-eight percent of non-voters are not confident that elections represent the will of the people, and non-voters are more likely to say that this is because the system is rigged.

-- Non-voters are less likely to believe votes are counted fully and accurately, or to say that decisions made by the president or others in Washington have a strong impact on their lives.

-- Non-voters engaged less with news and are left feeling underinformed: Non-voters are twice as likely as active voters to passively encounter news versus actively seek it out, and to say they do not feel they have enough information about candidates and issues to decide how to vote.
Their media diets involve less news and more entertainment as compared to active voters.

Voter numbers give us a clearer map of activity and passivity when as Americans do or don't maintain democracy (or help us control COVID).
And these numbers perhaps show a map of how the adult population identifies, or doesn't, with the "united" part of the United States.

It's the nonvoting numbers that have bothered me. How do their numbers reveal how the rest of U.S. adults live with, or think about, "events" that precede the 2020 General Election, or what comes after, the way we voters do.

So the Knight Foundation report is worth considering.

Precision without accuracy (the forest for the trees problem) is a forever problem of science, and mapping reality.
And mapping a democratic society.
Does the numbers map of Americans humans in and out of the "united" part of the U.S., maybe show us who make up the soul of America?
Is it only they who can help us see that soul more accurately? Would knowing more about nonvoters matter as we 'see' how they see themselves in the U.S., and whether or not they want to be "saved"?

How do they compare to traditional voters?
Do they even care about the idea of "soul" or "saving," or America as advertised?

Four out of ten people we meet appear not to be of any politically interested in this nation.
Do we meet them? Work with them? Know them?
Is their freedom the price of our voting?
I don't know and probably never knew.

3. What is the soul of America?
I bring numbers and questions up because an accurate perspective matters. Or maybe an emotional map matters.
Is non-participation part of freedom, or part of the soul of America, or part of the cost of freedom?
Is non-participation irresponsible?
Is non-participation just a random difference in values? a random difference in human capacity?
Is freedom, as many say, not valued unless it's hard to get?
Does this have anything to do with why the founders did not constitutionally protect the vote to all?

I ask because during the next 72 days, we could care enough to think about these things, since it's not as if the issue of voting and nonvoters hasn't come up. It has.

It seems to me that if America's soul is the people in it, that becomes way more important to us than "America is an idea."
And so mapping voters and nonvoters maps the "soul" of America.
Which helps Americans to know who, not what, we're fighting for, not just against.










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What Is The Soul Of America? (Original Post) ancianita Aug 2020 OP
Insightful and provocative. Thank you. n/t Laelth Aug 2020 #1
Thank you back, Laelth. ancianita Aug 2020 #6
I regret not giving you a full response. Laelth Aug 2020 #8
Not a problem! It took me a while to think it through! ancianita Aug 2020 #11
Yeah. It's, obviously, a well-researched post. Laelth Aug 2020 #13
The way I look at it, we have over 70 days to think about it. After that, it's work to do, or moot. ancianita Aug 2020 #15
We need better urban voter turn-out, especially. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #2
Yes. Turnout feeds the democratic spirit when we win. They've done it and felt it. ancianita Aug 2020 #4
You're welcome. Oh, and I'm not implying anything... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #9
Oh, I know that. ancianita Aug 2020 #12
It sickens me how the rural/suburban voters... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #14
Mostly the white ones. ancianita Aug 2020 #16
True! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #17
Do we know how many have outstanding warrants? Lars39 Aug 2020 #3
Washington, DC. Plenty of outstanding warrants for this president. ancianita Aug 2020 #5
They are. Lars39 Aug 2020 #7
Qualified immunity or funding. Police can't have both.They've abused their power and need to lose it ancianita Aug 2020 #10
The soul of America has taken a temporary back seat to Baked Potato Aug 2020 #18
Thank you. ancianita Aug 2020 #21
Thank you, too! Baked Potato Aug 2020 #22
... ancianita Aug 2020 #23
HEY!!! yuiyoshida Aug 2020 #19
JUST A LITTLE BIT! ancianita Aug 2020 #20

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. I regret not giving you a full response.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:40 PM
Aug 2020

I need to think about that one for a while.

As I said, provocative.

-Laelth

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
11. Not a problem! It took me a while to think it through!
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:49 PM
Aug 2020

I looked up the numbers months ago to get the most accurate ones. But didn't get to the questions until Biden and Maher got me going.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. Yeah. It's, obviously, a well-researched post.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:54 PM
Aug 2020

I find myself of two minds, and I am not willing to commit at the moment. Maybe tomorrow. I like to sleep on things.

Thank you, all the same.

-Laelth

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
15. The way I look at it, we have over 70 days to think about it. After that, it's work to do, or moot.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:02 PM
Aug 2020

I have to try to answer some of the questions myself. But I love to hear how others think here, first, so whenever.

I just thought the weekend might be a better time to bring it up.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
2. We need better urban voter turn-out, especially.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:08 PM
Aug 2020

I recently posted some statistics about evangelical white Christians (mostly located in rural and suburban areas) and their big impact on the 2016 election as they voted overwhelmingly for Trump, and some quick algebra from the numbers showed me that a much bigger percentage of the evangelicals voted.

Then I found this article which confirmed the lower urban voter turn-out:
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/309190-cities-lead-the-nation-in-many-ways-but-not-in-voter-turnout

Unfortunately, there's more problems in urban areas like fewer polling locations per population and such. Nonetheless, we need to really encourage much better turn-out in the cities and try to help them do it!

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
4. Yes. Turnout feeds the democratic spirit when we win. They've done it and felt it.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:34 PM
Aug 2020

Thank you for the link. Voter suppression is justified by suppressors who cite some racist idea that if urban voters want to win they gotta fight like hell to vote.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
9. You're welcome. Oh, and I'm not implying anything...
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:43 PM
Aug 2020

... about skin color. (Although African-Americans overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats and so I'd obviously like many more of them to vote too!)

It's just that, without including the evangelicals, Clinton won the white-vote too! And she received about 2.5 times as many white-votes compared to black-votes, but that's because there's many more white voters!

So pretty much any stronger urban voter turn-out should help the Democrats!

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
12. Oh, I know that.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:52 PM
Aug 2020

The fight like hell attitude is really more out in the non-urban America, anyway; e.g., one poll in OK, GA or TX (can't remember) in the primary for over 100,000 black rural county black folks. It was evil.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
14. It sickens me how the rural/suburban voters...
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:56 PM
Aug 2020

... keep getting "more representation" in this country!

Not just through voting, but also through the rules regarding the number of representatives in Congress.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
16. Mostly the white ones.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:03 PM
Aug 2020

If this election goes south, we're going to be right back where the colonists were -- taxation without representation.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
17. True!
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:05 PM
Aug 2020

And denying free people with felony convictions from voting isn't right either! Those people still have to pay taxes!

Lars39

(26,116 posts)
3. Do we know how many have outstanding warrants?
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:19 PM
Aug 2020

Can’t think of the town, but a huge percentage of African-Americans we’re afraid to vote or were unable to vote because they didn’t have the money to pay the warrants etc.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
5. Washington, DC. Plenty of outstanding warrants for this president.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:35 PM
Aug 2020

Plenty of debt warrants from Putin, I bet. Yet on top of all that debt he gets to illegally vote by mail from his club-residence at Mar-a-swampo.

I thought poll taxes, or any debt payment is illegal as a qualification for voting, yes?

Lars39

(26,116 posts)
7. They are.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:40 PM
Aug 2020

The name of that town escapes me. I think it was one of the first protests over a death by cop.
There was a GoFundMe acct set up to help people pay. The police were using outstanding warrants to harass people and suppress votes.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
10. Qualified immunity or funding. Police can't have both.They've abused their power and need to lose it
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 08:46 PM
Aug 2020

Qualified immunity needs to be earned with better policing statistics and better community relations. Which should be up to communities to decide once they get the numbers after a year. Then reviewed quarterly after that. Regularly. Published in the newspaper.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
18. The soul of America has taken a temporary back seat to
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:05 PM
Aug 2020

a blustering scoundrel and his parasitic Pilot Fish who live off his shedded deadness. Trump’s America simply has a “reputation”, and we all know it’s not good.

America’s soul is alive and thriving waiting to emerge as a new American pride. America must again become a world leader in environmental causes and healthy living. America must be a leader in human rights and equality, beginning here at home. These can begin to be American commonalities which then become pride and love of country.

Trump has pushed hate as a commonality, and he has failed from day one on that quest. Trump’s failure at providing even a modicum of leadership has given rise to formation of cults and cult-like behaviors. Many Americans are shocked to find everything they believed about Republicanism is a falsity. From religion to family values, Republicans have been stripped of their phony facades by their own actions. They don’t even try to have values beyond money grubbing anymore.

I am truly optimistic that with President Biden’s and Vice President Kamala Harris’ caring leadership and a full turnabout of staff in all government agencies, Americans will begin to love life and country more and more. Trump’s reign of amassing filthy lucre and destructive non-governing is nearing end. Many flaws in our systems and processes have been exposed, thanks to Republicans. There will be much work ahead and it won’t be easy at all, but with hard work comes pride and accomplishment.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
21. Thank you.
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:18 PM
Aug 2020

A soulful eloquence here about the work ahead.

I hope millions more vote this year who think like you. 25 million who didn't vote last time are already registered. I hope they're as motivated to use it this time as they once were to register.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
22. Thank you, too!
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:26 PM
Aug 2020

The measure of truly good leadership is drawing out the best in people. This is where Democrats always shine. Good to hear about all the newly registered voters!

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
23. ...
Sat Aug 22, 2020, 09:29 PM
Aug 2020

Well, the 85 million I was referring to were the ones who could have voted in 2016 but didn't (see the OP numbers).

I don't know how many more have been registered this time, but I hope they ALL get off the freakin' couch this time.

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